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Re: Soul....QBs can't run

Posted: 1/15/2013 12:52 AM

Re: Soul....QBs can't run 


SD - "just those who are total statues within the pocket ."

Frankly, Kosar made that clear to me. After watching the
Denver games way back when and how Elway pure and
simple is what beat us....need a QB who is mobile enough
to survive modern schemes and modern linemen.

Again, how this organization could look at Kaepernick and
Wilson and say no way in rounds 2 or 3 is beyond me (although
drafting a 5'11" QB is always leavving your self open for heavy
duty criticism).........but what did their eyes and ears tell them
about these guys? I know squat, but I can SEE what makes
those two (and there have been numerous others) special.

Special athletes at QB - not a Browns specialty EVER (since Ryan).

Last edited 1/15/2013 12:53 AM by gadfly23

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Posted: 1/15/2013 6:19 PM

Re: Soul....QBs can't run 



gadfly23 wrote:

Again, how this organization could look at Kaepernick and
Wilson and say no way in rounds 2 or 3 is beyond me...

Special athletes at QB - not a Browns specialty EVER (since Ryan).
The Browns passed on Kaep at #26 to trade up and take Phil Taylor at #21. Taylor looks like he'll have a fine career, but come on, the QB's we had at the time were McCoy and Wallace. Kaep ended up going one pick before we took Jabaal Sheard. 

We also could have taken Dalton at #26 after the trade down with the Falcons. 

Passing on both Dalton and Kaepernick to trade up for Phil Taylor when we had absolutely nothing at QB really takes the shine off Heckert's draft record. Unless it was the Big Fella that told him to get a DL with that first pick.
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Posted: 1/15/2013 9:48 PM

Re: Soul....QBs can't run 



PROSECUTOR wrote:
gadfly23 wrote:

Again, how this organization could look at Kaepernick and
Wilson and say no way in rounds 2 or 3 is beyond me...

Special athletes at QB - not a Browns specialty EVER (since Ryan).
The Browns passed on Kaep at #26 to trade up and take Phil Taylor at #21. Taylor looks like he'll have a fine career, but come on, the QB's we had at the time were McCoy and Wallace. Kaep ended up going one pick before we took Jabaal Sheard. 

We also could have taken Dalton at #26 after the trade down with the Falcons. 

Passing on both Dalton and Kaepernick to trade up for Phil Taylor when we had absolutely nothing at QB really takes the shine off Heckert's draft record. Unless it was the Big Fella that told him to get a DL with that first pick.
SD:

When they moved down and garnered an extra #1 in the following draft , I had hoped it was for the intent of QB .

As I advocated before hand to sign Hasselback and go after Locker at 6 if they were two chicken to step up and bring in Newton .

Plenty of posts on the value of QB in that draft and not relaying on McCoy , who I had raised serious issues about over his putrid arm strength  end of 2010 in the cold.

That bet should have been hedged .

You can't get paid $50 milion and come year three your scratching your nuts and picking your ass like a monkey,when your supposed to already be developing a real QB .

That abortion they shot their was on  2011 over McCoy was never more than a Holmgren wet dream beating his mentor in the same third round and finding Joe II.

I called that stoopid sheet for exactly what it was in real time at the time and didn't give a flying fArt who didn't like it.

They can't give away a QB with 21 starts , let alone get somebody to pay for him.

SoulDawg
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Posted: 1/16/2013 12:11 AM

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"Passing on both Dalton and Kaepernick to trade up for Phil Taylor when we had absolutely nothing at QB really takes the shine off Heckert's draft record."

I know it's Monday morning, but what you say is correct and a Browns' specialty - not hitting on available QBs who turn out to be stars. Hitting on duds (not calling Weeds that, but I don't think he's special). It's the constant death knell and not just since the return.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 7:31 AM

Browns to be better or worse? 


That abortion they shot their was on  2011 over McCoy was never more than a Holmgren wet dream beating his mentor in the same third round and finding Joe II.

I called that stoopid sheet for exactly what it was in real time at the time and didn't give a flying fArt who didn't like it.

McCoy was the 21st pick in the 3rd round. Not exactly a huge investment. So he's turning out to be a career backup. He'll probably have a Seneca Wallace type career. They could have done better with that pick (Navarro Bowman was taken a couple of spots later), but drafting McCoy in that spot was hardly a disaster. In fact it wasn't much different than Seattle taking Russell Wilson in the 3rd round. Sometimes you hit on a guy who's not supposed to be tall enough or have enough arm (Tom Brady in round 6, for example). 

The much bigger mistake was passing on Andy Dalton AND Colin Kaepernick with the #26 pick the following year after they had a chance to see McCoy in practice on a daily basis and even start six games as a rookie. They passed on Kaepernick AND gave up a draft pick to move up for Phil Taylor. This went against Holmgren's philosophy of drafting a QB every year. 

I don't know if McCoy's solid showing as a rookie in his first start against the Steelers misled them into believing he was The Guy or what. Maybe it was the back-to-back wins over the defending Super Bowl Champion Saints and the Patriots in his next two starts, or his 132 QB rating in a close loss to the Bengals. But it's amazing to think they passed on a QB with as big an upside as Kaepernick when McCoy was their starter. That's where Holmgren should have stepped in and made the pick. I'll bet he's kicking himself now.

Last edited 1/16/2013 7:36 AM by PROSECUTOR

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