Posted: 1/14/2013 7:06 PM
gadfly23 wrote: "Here comes gadfly in 3, 2, 1....."I don't know what to say. I heard Tom Jackson on ESPN saythere is no way for defenses to defend the pistol/option with guys likeKaepernick, Newton, Wilson, RGIII. And it would apear so. A new athleticism at QB.But there is also no question that the risk of injury to a running, as opposedto a scrambling/mobile/third-down-converting QB, is far greater. We'll see howit pans out. Right now Wilson appears to have the best take and judgment onwhen to run, but he too is running around quite a lot.Ya know, I'm thinking that this is the way of modern sports - what I mean is, accepta lot of risk in exchange for short term achievement. Instead of thinking aboutquarterbacking for a 12 year + career -go hells bells for a considerably shorterperiod, try and win that SB, get one or two $20 million contracts and forget about it.As a baseball fan I started to believe this in viewing how closers perform. I'm a Giantsfan and saw how Wilson has blown his arm out for second time in career. Saw this with great Dodger closer Eric Gagne (there are many others). Just come in, throw 97mph +wicked breaking ball. Try and go for like 2-3 years. Net a big contract, and if you blowyour arm out in year 5...no biggie. Get a Tommy John. Demonstrate proficiency and tryand land one more $20 million contract. Call it a day.There's kind of a crazy, go for broke mentality - driven by $, quick payoffs, lack ofpatience?As for running QBs...somebody raised it yesterday somewhere around here - does it really work, is it a fad, does it work because it's outside the norm, will there be adaptation and if guys like Kaepernick and RGIII start gettting hurt like RGIII was this year do they cool it?I don't know. But tell you this. I'm no expert. I don't watch much college ball (so I don't know exactly how these guys played). But how this organization allows a guy like Kaepernick to go undrafted - what, is big, fast, and laser throwing a bad thing? - or even Wilson - just listen to him, watch him, what' the problem? Oh he's 5'11"" - okay did you see him throwing behind a Wisconsin line as tall as any in the pros? Either of those guys psychologically/competitively capable of slide/tripping into safe, short of first down QB scrambles like Weeds? Nope. Winner/exceptional meet meh/decent.
Posted: 1/14/2013 11:11 PM
Posted: 1/14/2013 11:33 PM
DeanSheen wrote: ^ lets not forget how you cant cover a receiver without drawing a flag. Dunno, interesting next 5 years in the NFL watching how this all plays out. Lost in the mix are guys like Brady and Manning. I grew up arguing with my uncle about Montana vs. Elway. I liked Elway. This is getting out of hand though with the running vs. scrambling thing. My favorite current prototype is the Rapist. Big guy, can scramble long enough to find open receivers downfield, can break tackles, lets you cheap out a bit on the O line. I'm not so sure pocket passers are going the way of the dodo though.
Posted: 1/15/2013 12:52 AM
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Posted: 1/15/2013 12:54 AM
Posted: 1/15/2013 7:00 AM
gadfly23 wrote: SD - "Brady buys the extra time he needs with subtle moves"They don't come gawkier or slower than Brady - so who taught him?Whose gonna teach Weeds?
Posted: 1/15/2013 8:38 AM
Posted: 1/15/2013 6:19 PM
gadfly23 wrote: Again, how this organization could look at Kaepernick andWilson and say no way in rounds 2 or 3 is beyond me...Special athletes at QB - not a Browns specialty EVER (since Ryan).
Posted: 1/15/2013 9:48 PM
PROSECUTOR wrote: gadfly23 wrote: Again, how this organization could look at Kaepernick andWilson and say no way in rounds 2 or 3 is beyond me...Special athletes at QB - not a Browns specialty EVER (since Ryan). The Browns passed on Kaep at #26 to trade up and take Phil Taylor at #21. Taylor looks like he'll have a fine career, but come on, the QB's we had at the time were McCoy and Wallace. Kaep ended up going one pick before we took Jabaal Sheard. We also could have taken Dalton at #26 after the trade down with the Falcons. Passing on both Dalton and Kaepernick to trade up for Phil Taylor when we had absolutely nothing at QB really takes the shine off Heckert's draft record. Unless it was the Big Fella that told him to get a DL with that first pick.
Posted: 1/16/2013 12:11 AM
Posted: 1/16/2013 7:31 AM
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