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Re: Attacking D = Reboot

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Posted: 1/25/2013 7:05 AM

Re: Attacking D = Reboot 


When I see a team say that they will play a blend, I see 3-4 base.

Taking a 4-3 end and standing him upright is not playing a 3-4. Its a 4-3 with a gimmick.

So I don't see Sheard fitting in. He's either going to be asked to get bigger to play 3-4 end, or he's going to be a situational pass rusher and not on the field except in passing situaitons.

The only way to play a hybrid without being caught by up tempo offenses is to use a 3-4 base and sometimes kick an OLB down on the line. 

So, I see Sheard as having his playing time minimized, asked to get bigger and subside to being a 2-gap end, or he's going to get traded.

I see this move to a hybrid as creating new holes. So in addition to a free safety and a corner or two, we need a real rush OLB who can also play in coverage.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:16 AM

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Gary Reents wrote: When I see a team say that they will play a blend, I see 3-4 base.

Taking a 4-3 end and standing him upright is not playing a 3-4. Its a 4-3 with a gimmick.

So I don't see Sheard fitting in. He's either going to be asked to get bigger to play 3-4 end, or he's going to be a situational pass rusher and not on the field except in passing situaitons.

The only way to play a hybrid without being caught by up tempo offenses is to use a 3-4 base and sometimes kick an OLB down on the line. 

So, I see Sheard as having his playing time minimized, asked to get bigger and subside to being a 2-gap end, or he's going to get traded.

I see this move to a hybrid as creating new holes. So in addition to a free safety and a corner or two, we need a real rush OLB who can also play in coverage.
To answer Nas, I don't believe he stood up at Pitt much.  I know he wasn't in pass coverage which you ask your Sam to do. 

IMO, Sheard may be trade bait.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:09 AM

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Yeah, I don't like how Sheard fits in. Exactly like Wimbley situation. I'm drafting an OLB at pick 6, come hell or high water. Jarvis Jones if his health checks out would be my starter over Sheard. I think it would be better to trade him than waste time trying to fatten him up to play end.

I think there is a pretty good group of corners and safeties in FA. I'm spending my loot there and using my lower draft picks on BPA, (we need a TE and dev. QB at some point).

Wake me up when we are 10 and 6...

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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:37 AM

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mistero wrote: Yeah, I don't like how Sheard fits in. Exactly like Wimbley situation. I'm drafting an OLB at pick 6, come hell or high water. Jarvis Jones if his health checks out would be my starter over Sheard. I think it would be better to trade him than waste time trying to fatten him up to play end.

 
Those are my thoughts exactly mistero.  There are enough 43 base defense in the league and with his production the past 2 years...now is the time.
I hate to lose a good player like him, but he's not a 34 OLB.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 12:11 PM

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Gary Reents wrote:

So I don't see Sheard fitting in. He's either going to be asked to get bigger to play 3-4 end, or he's going to be a situational pass rusher and not on the field except in passing situaitons.

Why can't he be asked to get smaller and play OLB?  Kinda a silly bit of logic to only assume that a 34 OLB/DE Tweener can only go one direction.  Didn't Jamir Miller go from 34 OLB under Romeo to 43 DE under Fazio?  Sheared would just be going the other way. 

I'm not saying that Sheared is a right fit and would still draft a pure 34 OLB who can get at the passer and provide good zone coverage but I don't see why you'd limit him.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 12:50 PM

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OTTER:

Why can't he be [Sheard] asked to get smaller and play OLB?  Kinda a silly bit of logic to only assume that a 34 OLB/DE Tweener can only go one direction.  Didn't Jamir Miller go from 34 OLB under Romeo to 43 DE under Fazio?  Sheared would just be going the other way.

AA:

Maybe you're thinking of Willie McGinest.  I think Miller played lb almost exclusively.

Have no idea whether Sheard could transition.  He could be a situational 4-3 rusher, but given his salary, probably a more expensive version of Juqua Parker (or, said a la Jason Statham:  "Pahkuh").  But hey, it's not like the Browns have to count their quarters these days.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:03 PM

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0tter wrote:
Gary Reents wrote:

So I don't see Sheard fitting in. He's either going to be asked to get bigger to play 3-4 end, or he's going to be a situational pass rusher and not on the field except in passing situaitons.

Why can't he be asked to get smaller and play OLB?  Kinda a silly bit of logic to only assume that a 34 OLB/DE Tweener can only go one direction.  Didn't Jamir Miller go from 34 OLB under Romeo to 43 DE under Fazio?  Sheared would just be going the other way. 

I'm not saying that Sheared is a right fit and would still draft a pure 34 OLB who can get at the passer and provide good zone coverage but I don't see why you'd limit him.
I wonder what his real weight is. I've seen it at 255, 260 and 264. I suspect its more like 270 now.  I suppose you can get him to drop down to the 255 lb range. He's got the athleticism. His 40 time was 4.69  and his vertical leap was 31 inches. WHich puts him about the middle of the 2012 OLB numbers at the combine.

But I don't believe he's played LB of any type in college so he would be pretty lost out there if asked to cover.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:32 PM

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I don't think the weight would be a problem.  Quentin Groves played OLB for Horton last year and he's listed at 265 pounds.  I wouldn't be surprised to see us target him as a transitional FA this year, in fact.  Sheard having never played OLB in a 3-4 defense would be a problem, though.  Just from watching him play a bit the past two years, I think Emmanuel Stephens might be a decent developmental OLB pass rusher in an aggressive 3-4.

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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:53 PM

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Gary Reents wrote:
I wonder what his real weight is. I've seen it at 255, 260 and 264. I suspect its more like 270 now.  I suppose you can get him to drop down to the 255 lb range. He's got the athleticism. His 40 time was 4.69  and his vertical leap was 31 inches. WHich puts him about the middle of the 2012 OLB numbers at the combine.

But I don't believe he's played LB of any type in college so he would be pretty lost out there if asked to cover.
Oh yeah.  The experience part would make me think it's not a project worth taking on.  Not really arguing that point.  Although if we were I'd mention that it's arguably just as difficult to learn 2gap technique as a 34 DE as it is to learn coverage and responsibilities of a 34 OLB. 

Frankly I wasn't that high on him as a 43 DE.   I think he's a system DE who benefitted a lot from Taylor's presence.  I think they can find a guy with a few years experience who is more predictable as a 34 OLB regardless of who they draft.  And they should be drafting someone regardless of who they get in FA.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:48 PM

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Aardvark wrote: OTTER:

Why can't he be [Sheard] asked to get smaller and play OLB?  Kinda a silly bit of logic to only assume that a 34 OLB/DE Tweener can only go one direction.  Didn't Jamir Miller go from 34 OLB under Romeo to 43 DE under Fazio?  Sheared would just be going the other way.

AA:

Maybe you're thinking of Willie McGinest.  I think Miller played lb almost exclusively.

Have no idea whether Sheard could transition.  He could be a situational 4-3 rusher, but given his salary, probably a more expensive version of Juqua Parker (or, said a la Jason Statham:  "Pahkuh").  But hey, it's not like the Browns have to count their quarters these days.

Miller was OLB in the 40 front Butch brought over in '01.

I think you meant Kenard Lang--a 4-3 DE under Butch who was asked to drop 40 lbs. and play OLB in RAC's two-gap 3-4 in '05.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:45 AM

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0tter wrote:
Gary Reents wrote:

So I don't see Sheard fitting in. He's either going to be asked to get bigger to play 3-4 end, or he's going to be a situational pass rusher and not on the field except in passing situaitons.

Why can't he be asked to get smaller and play OLB?  Kinda a silly bit of logic to only assume that a 34 OLB/DE Tweener can only go one direction.  Didn't Jamir Miller go from 34 OLB under Romeo to 43 DE under Fazio?  Sheared would just be going the other way. 

I'm not saying that Sheared is a right fit and would still draft a pure 34 OLB who can get at the passer and provide good zone coverage but I don't see why you'd limit him.
I wonder what his real weight is. I've seen it at 255, 260 and 264. I suspect its more like 270 now.  I suppose you can get him to drop down to the 255 lb range. He's got the athleticism. His 40 time was 4.69  and his vertical leap was 31 inches. WHich puts him about the middle of the 2012 OLB numbers at the combine.

But I don't believe he's played LB of any type in college so he would be pretty lost out there if asked to cover.

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No no. It's January & the reboot is in start up so Sheard will seemlessly transition. Until September whe he looks like Rahim Abdullah....
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