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10 on Sunday

Posted: 11/18/2012 6:05 PM

10 on Sunday 


1)  Among Suckfests, this was truly epic.

A Homerian epic.  Produced by David Geffen and directed by Steven Spielberg, it was a $250 million Suckfest.  Talks are already underway with Satan to build an 8th level of Hell, where this game will be shown in a continuous loop.  The poster for this epic will feature that familiar closeup of Pat Shumur looking like he's listening to the judge imposing his sentence for child killings. 

If a Suckfest was a road trip, this would take us to Tierra del Phuquing Fuego.

If a Suckfest was an historical documentary, this would make Ken Burns' CIVIL WAR look like PEE WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE.

If a Suckfest held sand, this would be Saudi Arabia.

If a Suckfest was a tasteless movie, this made BAD LIEUTENANT look like LION IN WINTER.

If a Suckfest was a calculation, this would have been pi.

But it certainly wasn't just the Browns.  The Cowboys did plenty to earn a Best Supporting nominee.  It takes two to tango up a Suckfest, and Fred and Ginger had nothing on the Browns and Cowboys.  The difference, of course, was that the Browns were Ginger Rogers, because she did all the steps he did... while wearing high heels.

2)  Think there were some major trust issues with Weeden?  First and goal at the 6, and they try three runs with TR?  It's not like Weeden did a lot to foster trust with at least 3 "NEARLY INTERCEPTED" attempts.  The question is whether the lack of trust was upstairs as well as downstairs.  Obviously Shurmur and Childress felt that way.  But did Banner and Haslam as well?  If so, there will be a major effort to secure a decent fa this off season (probably because no qb prospect will look that enticing with a top 5 pick.  Not this year at any rate).  Romo had a pretty bad day himself... only to turn around and make a brilliant go-ahead td pass with pressure all around him.  Weeden and the offensive brain trust (yea, I know, a contradiction in terms like military intelligence or jumbo shrimp) saw their collective nads shrink from the middle of the second quarter on.  First & 10 at their own 46, already with a substantial lead... and they go 3 & out? 

3)  Two foregone conclusions:  the Boys would win in ot.  Any Cleveland fan would have gladly been willing to put their house up just to collect on a case of beer.  It was that foregone. 

The other is the Cowboy cheerleaders.  Accept no substitutes.  I just miss the days when they commanded more shots coming out of commercial breaks from those videographers shooting off the carpet.  If they had a Smithsonian Museum for Sex, those white shorts would be under glass on a pedestal.  

4)  On this rare occasion when the Browns merited the "A" team, did it seem like Greg Gumbal and Dan Dierdorff were going out of their way to praise this 2-7 team?  IIRC Dan is a ne Ohio native, and I've always appreciated his candor.  But it just seemed like so much pity commentary, or trying to con national viewers into believing this really was a spongeworthy game.  Fans complain about a lack of respect, but here's a case where the Browns were getting well more than was warranted.  And while it's nice to see the team play with heart (except at the end when the defense was gassed), those cu's of Weeden and Skrine revealed faces that looked like all confidence had been drained away.

5)  So with terrific protection in the first half, the Browns sure didn't seem able to exploit it.  Week after week, it's a question of how much of it was the receivers not getting open... or Weeden not finding them.  But that was the beginning of the end when the Browns couldn't make it 17-0 or 20-0.  The Cowboys were sleepwalking until they couldn't do it any longer.  Progress is often necessitated in baby steps, but now we're down to Tim Conway-as-Old-Man steps.  We may even throw the projector in reverse and have everybody running in reverse.  Add some Boots Randolph "Yakkity Sax," throw in a cheerleader or two, and we can have an American version of BENNY HILL.

6)  Ten first downs on defensive penalties?  That has to be a record, and not by 1-2.  Oh, I suppose there was some game in 1947 where the Chicago Cardinals allowed that many, but there wasn't nearly as much passing back in the day.  So rather than come up with lines like "If a Suckfest held oil and water, this would be the Gulf of Mexico," let's just say it would be enough to say that this Suckfest saw TEN first downs as a result of penalties.
And I can't recall a game where so many plays resulted in not one flag being thrown, but 2-3 at a time. 

It's good to see that the Browns used their time off from the bye to work on penalties.  No, no, guys, you were supposed to work on REDUCING them!

7)  There may have been as much cheering when Buster Skrine left the game as when Tim Couch was battered and replaced by Kelly Holcomb.  Dierdorff had to issue the obligatory "Browns are now dangerously thin at corner with Skrine out."  Uh, Dan, did they corpulent to you with Buster in there? 

8 ) Shurmur had a right to be livid.  I think it was a real stretch for the refs to know with certainty that the te Whitten was headed to where Romo threw the intentional grounder.  No question that Whitten was interfered with, but having had that receiver taken out of the play would then force the qb to make another choice.  Seems like double dipping.

9) If you were working in Europe, unable to see the game or read an account of it, but could only see the box score via the internet, you'd probably see some okay numbers here and there and caution everybody that we really need to put this game in perspective.  They came to Dallas and played the Cowboys tough, but the Browns are young and learning and growing up together, yada, yada. 

And that's why people really need to watch the games.

10)  I know the club is not keen on doing any mid-season firings, and if they were at all inclined to do so, the bye week would have been it (God knows the coordinators have sufficient head coaching experience).  Now it's just going to be torture in the extreme.  To their credit, the players at least play hard, but it's tough when you know that if the game plans aren't a fraud from the very outset, then the opponents will make sufficient adjustments from which this team couldn't come up with a counter if the game was suspended for three days to allow them to go back to the drawing board.  Jones and Shurmur were duking it out to see who could play a better brand of playing not to lose, and it was turning into a Thrillah in Manilla.  I still think 2000 was the ultimate season of futility since the club went through a seeming baker's dozen of qb's.   It's really a matter of time before the players mail it in, to say nothing of shooting off their big toe in order to be sent back home.  

It's one thing to say that futility eventually leads to black comedy (Christ and his compatriots on their crosses singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life!"), but even John Cleese, Michael Palin and Eric Idle could look at the Brownss season and say "My God, when it came to black comedy, we thought WE were over the top!  You Yanks have trumped us once again!  Well played, sirs!"




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Posted: 11/18/2012 6:11 PM

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What about 1990 or 1999? 2000 was up there though, vark.

if we beat Pitt next week, it will be worth a Boys loss. I think had we won, it would have been nice, but it would have given us false confidence.

If we lose to Pitt 58-0 at home...it is possible. They have a very good team.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 6:46 PM

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It wasn't nearly that bad. Lost in OT to a .500 team on the road. Hayden plays, let alone Patterson, and that's a W.

Leaning Millner.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 6:53 PM

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Woke up Sunday too fried to make it to the Browns bar. And then ridiculous good fortune hit and the game was televised here in SoCal. Time for some Joe and to settle in for the Suckfest.

But in an interesting twist on the endless bizarre indignities we face as Browns fans, with the game at 20-17 Browns and The Cowboys driving, CBS suddenly cut away from the game (for "contractual" reasons), to the beginning of San Diego Vs whoever, after running a crawl and voice over.

OK, maybe it wasn't the "Heidi" game, but still, you wonder when the macabre twists will ever end

Maybe it was just as well. The outcome at that point was preordained. It's just a matter of letting it play out.

There are tasteless movies, and Bad Lieutenant is definitely up there. Although HK jerking off in front of those two hotties was grim entertainment, about along the lines of watching the Browns. 

Worse than Bad Lieutenant : Bad Lieuetenant New Orleans.

I felt an odd affinity for Skrine, who is overmatched and being asked to do more than he is capable. Some of those flags were ticky tack BS, and he's getting the rookie treatment from the ref's. 

But Sheldon Browns late PI call was simply atrocious. I lost it. I was screaming 12 letter variations on the F word that would give SD pause. Get that freakin bum out of there, oh yes there is the "vet savvy" we would be losing, but somehow we'll move on.

The flag on Ward was payback for the horse collar. The double hit was so vicious that something just HAD to be called, but I saw it as 2 guys (Skrine, Ward) playing their ass off. Ward was called, unfortunate timing, but not a dirty play. And say what you will about Ward, but he brings an aspect we need.

 If you were working in Europe, unable to see the game or read an account of it, but could only see the box score via the internet, you'd probably see some okay numbers here and there and caution everybody that we really need to put this game in perspective.  They came to Dallas and played the Cowboys tough, but the Browns are young and learning and growing up together, yada, yada.  

I'm really glad you brought this up, because all this "turning a corner" nonsense after the Epic San Diego victory struck me as pure wishful thinking unsupported by anything resembling a fact.

They are young, the utes need to learn, valuable experience.... Blah Blah Blah. The culture of losing permeates this team like skunk piss.

Haslem is our only hope in this regard.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 12:29 AM

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Woke up Sunday too fried to make it to the Browns bar. And then ridiculous good fortune hit and the game was televised here in SoCal. Time for some Joe and to settle in for the Suckfest.

But in an interesting twist on the endless bizarre indignities we face as Browns fans, with the game at 20-17 Browns and The Cowboys driving, CBS suddenly cut away from the game (for "contractual" reasons), to the beginning of San Diego Vs whoever, after running a crawl and voice over.

OK, maybe it wasn't the "Heidi" game, but still, you wonder when the macabre twists will ever end

Maybe it was just as well. The outcome at that point was preordained. It's just a matter of letting it play out.

There are tasteless movies, and Bad Lieutenant is definitely up there. Although HK jerking off in front of those two hotties was grim entertainment, about along the lines of watching the Browns. 

Worse than Bad Lieutenant : Bad Lieuetenant New Orleans.

I felt an odd affinity for Skrine, who is overmatched and being asked to do more than he is capable. Some of those flags were ticky tack BS, and he's getting the rookie treatment from the ref's. 

But Sheldon Browns late PI call was simply atrocious. I lost it. I was screaming 12 letter variations on the F word that would give SD pause. Get that freakin bum out of there, oh yes there is the "vet savvy" we would be losing, but somehow we'll move on.

The flag on Ward was payback for the horse collar. The double hit was so vicious that something just HAD to be called, but I saw it as 2 guys (Skrine, Ward) playing their ass off. Ward was called, unfortunate timing, but not a dirty play. And say what you will about Ward, but he brings an aspect we need.

 If you were working in Europe, unable to see the game or read an account of it, but could only see the box score via the internet, you'd probably see some okay numbers here and there and caution everybody that we really need to put this game in perspective.  They came to Dallas and played the Cowboys tough, but the Browns are young and learning and growing up together, yada, yada.  

I'm really glad you brought this up, because all this "turning a corner" nonsense after the Epic San Diego victory struck me as pure wishful thinking unsupported by anything resembling a fact.

They are young, the utes need to learn, valuable experience.... Blah Blah Blah. The culture of losing permeates this team like skunk piss.

Haslem is our only hope in this regard.

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It's ez to ledge. They played really well in many phases of the game. They lost because not one but two backup corners got fried in a way that made me pine for the glory days of Najee Muhammad. Skrine is a serviceable slot $.05 back. He should never play CB. Dallas did what a competent NFL team does. Find weakness & exploit it mercilessly. And with all of that they eeked out a 3 possession OT squeaker .

I'm not swinging from any shower rod. Nothing a high CB pick, some FAs, & consistent QB play can't make.500 or better next season. Not to pick on K2S, but if you can't see the dif between this TEAM & 1990 or 2000, you don't know sh!!+ from shiniola.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 12:34 AM

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Am I a bad fan because I was glad to see one of these idiots finally get tackled by the hair & lose a big play?

Should be illegal to be out of the helmet.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:06 AM

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The pass defense is as bad at least as it was under Butch. In '04, we gave up 390 points...we are on pace for almost as many this season. Our O is better than last year though...
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:25 AM

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This game really ticked me off when I replayed it.
I missed the second half but when I watched it ,I was fuming..
How do you commit that many penalites on defense which gave the Cowboys 10 freaking first downs????

Skine and Brown were the main colprits..Skine reminding me of Wright/McDonald days..
Wow..
Then to see the Browns take the lead and leave the Cowboys under a minute to go and then SB has to get a PI on him on a play he didn't need to make contact with the reciever??
C'on Brown you're smarter than that..on the sidelines with the ball headed out of play, don't hit the guy with your arm ..
If you were going to commit a penality ,then just grab the guy(like Skrine was going) after 5 yds and make them take a 5 yard penality instead of tha big gainer.

What really ticked me of was the soft coverage they were giving the WR's in the second half.
It was never going to work ,and it didn't.

Oh and offensively Weeden was throwing high(seemed anxious to me) but he made some good throws.
I think there's too much pressure being put on him by the coacing staff or rather PS.

Was I watching replacement refs?? Someone tell me what the heck they were doing?
The penality on Ward for the hit was bogus..it was hard and clean.
The fumble in OT was a fumble..I don't know how that could have been whisled down when the guy was stripped as he was being tackled ???

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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:05 AM

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Nasdaq wrote: Am I a bad fan because I was glad to see one of these idiots finally get tackled by the hair & lose a big play?

Should be illegal to be out of the helmet.

Agree.  Wish the unspoken rule for defenders to not grab hair went by the wayside.

These guys with long hair are idiots.  Not only does is provide a good handhold for a defender to take you down it weighs several pounds.  Anyone who knows anything about speed knows it's a combination of force, weight, and resistance.   Having 5 lbs of hair on your head = slower.    Maybe just .1 or even .05 but it's still slower and in the NFL .1 of a second is a difference maker.  

Dumb.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:35 AM

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Nasdaq wrote: It wasn't nearly that bad. Lost in OT to a .500 team on the road. Hayden plays, let alone Patterson, and that's a W.

Leaning Millner.

Yeah.  And they made a nice final drive to tie it up when the team probably could have just wilted. 

Sucks to see them squander a lead but the Boy's finally realized that with Haden out they could throw and even if they couldn't connect Skreen would be happy to help them out. 

Why Skreen is still on this team is beyond me.  Any time he's asked to do anything more than cover a 3rd WR he gets burned.   He is incapable of dealing with the physical nature of WRs in the NFL. 

Still think that this team needs a CB with their first two picks or as a big FA acquisition.  Plus a FS.  But Brown is getting really long in the tooth so I'd prioritize CB.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:54 AM

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0tter wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: It wasn't nearly that bad. Lost in OT to a .500 team on the road. Hayden plays, let alone Patterson, and that's a W.

Leaning Millner.

Yeah.  And they made a nice final drive to tie it up when the team probably could have just wilted. 

Sucks to see them squander a lead but the Boy's finally realized that with Haden out they could throw and even if they couldn't connect Skreen would be happy to help them out. 

Why Skreen is still on this team is beyond me.  Any time he's asked to do anything more than cover a 3rd WR he gets burned.   He is incapable of dealing with the physical nature of WRs in the NFL. 

Still think that this team needs a CB with their first two picks or as a big FA acquisition.  Plus a FS.  But Brown is getting really long in the tooth so I'd prioritize CB.
Skrine has had an issue with putting his hands on the WR past 5 yards since camp. How is it this kid still does it so consistently? Is he retarded? Are the secondary coaches retarded? Seems simple. Smash a finger with a ballpeen hammer when he does it in practice. I'm pretty sure there won't be two smashed fingers before he learns.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 9:59 AM

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Gary Reents wrote:

Skrine has had an issue with putting his hands on the WR past 5 yards since camp. How is it this kid still does it so consistently? Is he retarded? Are the secondary coaches retarded? Seems simple. Smash a finger with a ballpeen hammer when he does it in practice. I'm pretty sure there won't be two smashed fingers before he learns.

I am not at all sure about that.  I'm thinking he'd be playing with nubs rather than fingers by the Steelers game. 

Effing idiot.  Dierdorf (I think) even mentioned that pre-game Skrine said something along the lines of 'I like to see what I can get away with early in the game'.  Who says that?  Might as well just paint a bulls eye on your chest for the officials to throw their flags.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:20 AM

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Nasdaq wrote: It wasn't nearly that bad. Lost in OT to a .500 team on the road. Hayden plays, let alone Patterson, and that's a W.

Leaning Millner.

Yeah.  And they made a nice final drive to tie it up when the team probably could have just wilted. 

Sucks to see them squander a lead but the Boy's finally realized that with Haden out they could throw and even if they couldn't connect Skreen would be happy to help them out. 

Why Skreen is still on this team is beyond me.  Any time he's asked to do anything more than cover a 3rd WR he gets burned.   He is incapable of dealing with the physical nature of WRs in the NFL. 

Still think that this team needs a CB with their first two picks or as a big FA acquisition.  Plus a FS.  But Brown is getting really long in the tooth so I'd prioritize CB.

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Buster is on the squad since they don't have anyone better. He's a valuable slot nickle back. That's OK. He's lost on the island & they need a street FA or to play Addibisi.

Show me a D without its 2 starting CBs > half the season & I'll show you what you got Sunday 80% of the time. If those 2 press with out safeties you get the 99 Vikings every game against us.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:22 AM

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0tter wrote:
Nasdaq wrote: It wasn't nearly that bad. Lost in OT to a .500 team on the road. Hayden plays, let alone Patterson, and that's a W.

Leaning Millner.

Yeah.  And they made a nice final drive to tie it up when the team probably could have just wilted. 

Sucks to see them squander a lead but the Boy's finally realized that with Haden out they could throw and even if they couldn't connect Skreen would be happy to help them out. 

Why Skreen is still on this team is beyond me.  Any time he's asked to do anything more than cover a 3rd WR he gets burned.   He is incapable of dealing with the physical nature of WRs in the NFL. 

Still think that this team needs a CB with their first two picks or as a big FA acquisition.  Plus a FS.  But Brown is getting really long in the tooth so I'd prioritize CB.
Skrine has had an issue with putting his hands on the WR past 5 yards since camp. How is it this kid still does it so consistently? Is he retarded? Are the secondary coaches retarded? Seems simple. Smash a finger with a ballpeen hammer when he does it in practice. I'm pretty sure there won't be two smashed fingers before he learns.

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I'm sure it's that simple. He just needs the 1974 Cheney coaching staff & he'd be all pro. ;)
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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:24 AM

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Nasdaq wrote: Am I a bad fan because I was glad to see one of these idiots finally get tackled by the hair & lose a big play?

Should be illegal to be out of the helmet.

Agree.  Wish the unspoken rule for defenders to not grab hair went by the wayside.

These guys with long hair are idiots.  Not only does is provide a good handhold for a defender to take you down it weighs several pounds.  Anyone who knows anything about speed knows it's a combination of force, weight, and resistance.   Having 5 lbs of hair on your head = slower.    Maybe just .1 or even .05 but it's still slower and in the NFL .1 of a second is a difference maker.  

Dumb.

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But but but the nflpa is alllll about player safety. Ask Fujita. Chortle.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 11:20 AM

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What really ticked me of was the soft coverage they were giving the WR's in the second half. It was never going to work ,and it didn't.

They gave them a big cushion because otherwise they were going to get beat deep. Same reason Skrine and Brown kept making illegal contact beyond five yards the whole game.

So they gave up the short routes, held the Cowboys to a field goal, forced overtime, and had a chance to win but the offense couldn't drive into Phil Dawson range. They also couldn't score in two tries from the one-yard line.

Due to injuries we ended up with an over-the-hill guy and a 5th round pick in his second year covering Austin and Dez Bryant. Oh, and then Skrine got hurt so we had Bademosi, an undrafted special teams guy who had NEVER PLAYED A DOWN AT CORNERBACK, covering Dez Bryant, who ended up with 12 catches for 145 yards and a TD, mostly against Skrine and Brown. 

Yeah, we win if we had Haden and Patterson.

But DeMarco Murray was out for the Cowboys and they were down to their 3rd string center, so we got seven sacks. The injuries even out. 

Another close, competitive loss against a decent team. We've had so many of them I really doubt these kinds of games are good for anything, like building confidence. I suppose it's better than giving up 59 points, or being the Chiefs, but it does kind of suck.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 11:47 AM

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From Pat McManamon:

In all, the secondary was flagged seven times for penalties. They got away with others that were not called. Brown and Skrine gave the Cowboys’ receivers soft cushions and Romo took advantage of them. When Skrine and Brown tried playing tight coverage, they grabbed Dez Bryant, Miles Austin or Kevin Ogletree because they couldn’t defend them without breaking the rules.

The Cowboys are ranked 7th in passing and they caught us on a day when we were missing two corners, including our best. By OT we were missing three. 

Still, the offense got the ball in OT and all they needed was to drive 60 yards for the winning FG. They got six yards and punted.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 12:07 PM

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Bademosi, an undrafted special teams guy who had NEVER PLAYED A DOWN AT CORNERBACK, covering Dez Bryant,


...who did a hell of a lot better than Skrine on 3 straight plays

...and the Cribbs tackle WAS a horsecollar, till the defender got a better grip grabbing his locks

Reminds me of my son who works for me and who was wearing hoop earings on a construction site. I told him it was just a matter of time and then LMAO when I got the call he was in the ER with a torn earlobe...still cracks me up

I have a problem with PleaseDieDorf...I hate him...really hate him and Gumball is no better

While the pass Weeden threw to Cameron was high and away, he as well as the reffs totally ignored the faceguarding by the DB on the play

Personally I can't find fault with the players in any way right now...in fact, considering how they're being led they actually could be over-achieving...[smirk]

Tons of Bad Karma yesterday that will likely carry over into the Squealer game and if they lose that then go out west and lose to the Raiders, IMHO the KC game will be Schurmur's Death Bell

If they lose the next 3 he's a burnt bagel on Monday after the KC game

Do you even Ebola?

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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:09 PM

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PROSECUTOR wrote: They gave them a big cushion because otherwise they were going to get beat deep. Same reason Skrine and Brown kept making illegal contact beyond five yards the whole game.

So they gave up the short routes, held the Cowboys to a field goal, forced overtime, and had a chance to win but the offense couldn't drive into Phil Dawson range. They also couldn't score in two tries from the one-yard line.

Due to injuries we ended up with an over-the-hill guy and a 5th round pick in his second year covering Austin and Dez Bryant. Oh, and then Skrine got hurt so we had Bademosi, an undrafted special teams guy who had NEVER PLAYED A DOWN AT CORNERBACK, covering Dez Bryant, who ended up with 12 catches for 145 yards and a TD, mostly against Skrine and Brown. 

Yeah, we win if we had Haden and Patterson.



You constantly adjust your coverages so you're not giving the same look on passing downs.
And that includes varing concepts ,dropping LB's farther in coverge to take away soft spots,rotate safeties over to double etc..

I don't instantly concede to that we were down to so -n-so so we couldn't do anything.
They were playing tight at first and getting burned but it was poor techniques being used.
Same thing in the second half when they cushioned the routes..poor technique.

If  they had  help in trhe  coverage from one of the safeties, they could have been mixing in a zone with trail technique. Thats when you allow the reciever to get a step beyond but you  get inside him (allowing help to come over) and you make him a harder target to get the ball to.


 U also tell your secondary when they are on the sidelines to adjust how the game is being called .Stop grabbing them after 5  yards or you'll be flagged.

Want to tell me on SB's 35 yard PI that he had to club the WR in the helmet with the off hand even if it  wasn't intentional?
He didn't play that route like the smart vet he is.
You're taught not to play a WR like that ..U pin him to the sideline and make him have less space to make  a catch if the ball is over you(which BROWN WASN'T PLAYING WHEN he should have been) let it go..if U take a penality ,hold ,don't interfere.

But in that situation neither CB should have been 1 on 1 .Period.

I'm more critical but there's a reason I am..
Seems to be a lost art of some teams on how to handle certain situations.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 1:24 PM

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this team lacks smarts, too.

I miss '85-89.
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