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"V", 'The Great Deception', 2012, End Times,

Posted: 5/24/2010 7:02 PM

"V", 'The Great Deception', 2012, End Times, 


A disclaimer on the following thread; It will be lengthy - so grab a cup of coffee and some popcorn - or you can just turn around now...and it will have religious content. I repeat...DANGER.... DANGER....RELIGIOUS CONTENT AHEAD...if you're offended by such things please exit this thread immediately. You've been forewarned.

Disclaimers aside I've had a nagging of spirit to write this thread since "V" came out originally last fall but have generally avoided it. Unfortunately this persistent nagging of spirit has continued, so let me just get this thread out of the way now. The interesting thing is I get the impression this thread will inform not those that I would have it speak to, but a few of the spooks who monitor me and this message board. How Ironic.

Those who have frequented the WWR, The Doghouse etc. over the years (spooks and non spooks alike, not a racial term...) know that periodically I'll post my views on current events, trends etc. and where I see them heading. Unlike others I am very specific on what I see unfolding in the future and have generally been very accurate. During the height of the stock market bubble, when all pundits on this message board and in the media were saying there was nothing but blue skies were on the horizon I was saying America was set up to collapse economically . Every solitary soul on this message board said "You don't know what you're talking about BrownsTown...look at the market, it's booming.....America is the economic engine of the world, it will never happen.....the rest of the world needs us to buy their crap (the last two statements being entirely at odds with one another)..." etc. etc. 4 years later I was right. I said gas would go up to 4 dollars a gallon and come back down. Once again everyone on the board at the time said "It will never happen BrownsTown...that would kill the economy, people would revolt, you'll never have 4$ gasoline..." And then we did. For at least 3 years I've said watch as the media will transition from "Islamic Terrorism" (AL CIADA), to a new white/American face on terrorism, which is exactly what you've seen over the last year, and ramping up specifically this year with the Ft. Hood shooting, the IRS plane crash (the guy who "purportedly" did that worked on remote control plane tech. for the Intel. Agencies), the Hutaree militia, and on and on...I said it 3 years ago, now it's on the front page of your daily newspaper and repeated on loop on your tv all day long "Home Grown Terrorism....ahhhhh, be scared, give all your freedom away".

So how did I know all this would happen? A few ways, 1) for whatever reason I have a spiritual discernement that most others don't have. I have had this since childhood, it's something I've experienced my entire life, in general I've always been able to see things before others, more accurately than others. Take it for whatever you will 2) I understand Biblical scripture and eschatology. 3) I understand who runs what you see on your tv and how the main stream media is used to manipulate and guide public opinion, from t.v., to movies, to literature, in general it's used - almost entirely -  to manipulate you socially and politically, to indoctrinate and psychologically acclimate you to where society and "social norms" are being guided. With that being said, here is what I see coming in the future based on my own spiritual discernment, an understanding of scripture, and the specific storylines the media is using right now to acclimate you to future events. So here we go, and please, print this thread out, because as these events unfold I would bet the internet will no longer be up and running, and you'll have forgotten what this thread said a week from now. Print this out, you're going to be responsible for explaining to your friends and family what is taking place from that point on.

America and fake domestic terrorism - The Western world, and most of the world is dominated by a group of American and European Central Bankers, and European Aristocracy. The rule over most of the world by and large through debt. They've had control over America since 1913, the founding fathers warned against ever allowing a Central Bank to take control the issuance of the U.S. currency and credit because the bankers and the affiliated corporations that they run would rob the country blind, which is exactly what happened. They knew eventually the public would catch on and not be happy about it, which is one of the reasons they've set up a police state in America, under the guise of protecting you against "terrorism" (AL CIADA), so that as the collapse of the United States was in full in swing they would be able to round up anyone that was smart enough to see what was going on. This is why you're seeing the transition from "Islamic terrorism" to "home grown terrorism". The most vocal opponents to ceding U.S. sovereignty to a global governement, are right wing constitutionalists, and christians, your typical "tea party" activist. In order to  neutralize this opposition the Plutocrats, Kleptocrats, NWO...whatever designation you're comfortable with...has to demonize this group. This is why, as I've said for several years now I believe the next staged terror attack on U.S. soil will be a WMD terror attack, likely very similar to the Jericho, Operation Black Jack scenario (google/youtube "Operation BlackJack" if you're unfamiliar) which the media will tell you it was pulled off by some incarnation of White,  Right Wing, American, Christian, "anti-government", Constitutionalist,  possibly in concert with "muslim extremists". It will all be a complete lie.

The good news is people are waking up as evidenced by the public now voting out incumbent politicians with more and more frequency, and the corrupt two party system losing power and influence. The bad news is as the public is waking up the plutocrats will get desperate, and when that happens they usually initiate a staged terror attack. This will be the one the finalized the collapse of America. I pray that it doesn't happen but it's obvious if you've watched media coverage over the last 6 months, they've gone into overdrive to psychologically acclimate the public to accept the premise of "home grown terrorism" perpetrating the next staged terror attack.

I hope I'm wrong, I pray I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Regardless, violence is never an acceptable means of political dissent. The only appropriate and effective means of political dissent are legislation, litigation (lawsuits, filing criminal charges), running for office.... MLK, Ghandi...Violence only ends with you dead or in jail. Violence is never acceptable.

' V ' and the Great Deception - I generally avoid this type of content because, quite frankly, some have a hard enough time understanding a group of powerful financiers, or NWO in shorthand, run their world, let alone the following scenario. In short the media is now setting the stage for a fake alien invasion. Let me be very clear, aliens don't exist. In 1938 Orson Welle's War of the Worlds was broadcast on American Air Waves and the public flipped out. What those in psychological ops in governements and the military understand is if you give a population an outside threat that poses imminent death, they'll generally comply with whatever draconian measures they are told are needed to be taken in order to protect them. Moreover not only will they comply, they'll demand you take their freedom to keep them safe, be it from "terrorists" (AL CIADA) or aliens. give people an outside threat and they'll do whatever they're told.

In the original Operation Blackjack series a number of nuclear blasts go off in the UK, America, Canada, and Mexico, it is reported as being executed by right wing, anti-government, white terrorists in concert with muslim terrorists (AL CIADA). Eventually the public becomes aware that the media depiction of the event is a lie, they revolt against the police state that has been put into place to "keep them safe", and it appears the situation is beginning to spiral out of control of the NWO group that set those events into motion in the first place. They then turn to their ace in the hole, the last scene in the "fictional depiction" shows a dumbfounded public looking up to the sky with a great light coming down to earth.

For the sake of Brevity here is what I believe is being set up. If you watch your tv right now, everything from the tv show "V", Larry King, to the History Channel, to the Discovery Channel, commericals.......all have programming on UFO's, and their "hidden history with mankind" and potential return. As things start to unravel, as society continues to collapse due to global economic collapse and staged terror attack this is what the elite is going to use to keep control of the situation.

Aliens are not real, UFO's are military aircraft. Everything on your store shelves that you think are the "latest technology" is technology the government and military have had for 30-40 years. God is real, satan is real, angels are real, demons are real, man is real, aliens are not. You're being set up for a fake alien invasion, the type depicted in " V ", and is most likely what the bible is refering to when it talks about "The Great Deception". Don't be fooled, it will look very convincing, but the alien invasion they're psychologically preparing people to accept via tv shows and movies will be completely phony.

2012 - As the NWO global government is being set up, they understood you have there has to be a religious element as well. People have the need for spirituality put in them by God. This NWO global governement is no different except that the spiritual entity that will be worshiped at that time will be satan. He will be sold as having been misunderstood, really a liberator of man who sought to enlighten him by taking his blinders off. The NWO plans to destroy the three monotheistic religions largely through a large, planned war in middle east. After this war they will tell the global public the monotheistic religions had it wrong, they'll play up the 2012 angle, Nostradamus, and other new agey elements to usher in the new global religion. 2012 is disinformation, and the new age movement was created by the folks at the theosophical society and people like Alice Bailey. It's a lot of demonic nonsense.

End Times - Here's what you can look for specifically to know that the bible is true, and all of the other convincing deceptions that are taking place are just that, deception. The Bible makes several specific claims about the end times which you will watch take place, if indeed we are in the end times.
1 - Israel will be attacked by Russia, Iran and a coalition of Islamic States. As each new round of saber rattling ratchets up in the media regarding Iran, I've been the sole voice on this board to say neither America nor Israel will be attacking Iran. If they did Iran would be in no shape to participate in the Gog/Magog war depicted in the book of Ezekiel. Instead I believe the media is currently setting up Israel, with Iran eventually pretending to give up their nuke program (which will be a lie) as part of a no nuke middle east zone. Global pressure would be put on Israel to give up their unspoken nuke program to create peace in the middle east, something Israel will never go for. Following that I believe you'll see the Gog/Magog war predicted by a prophet named Ezekiel 2,500 years ago in Babylonian captivity, during which Israel didn't even exist as a country. 2- After this war the Jewish Temple on the Temple mount will be rebuilt 3- Two prophets will continue to preach the gospel for exactly 3 1/2 years during the first portion of the tribulation. 4 - Whoever signs a 7 year peace treaty between Israel and her neighbors is the anti - christ (I do not believe that will be B. Obama). And as noted if America walks away from Israel, and I believe America will, America will fall as a result. I hope it never happens. America plays virtually no role in the biblical end times, and is hardly - if at all - mentioned. Israel, Russia, Babylon, Europe, and the Kings of the East (200 million troops) are mentioned as being the main players during this time, America isn't. And no Skree, I don't believe Babylon is an allegorical allusion to America.

Anyway there it is, in short if you forget everything else, remember the fake alien invasion you're likely to see is completely phony, although it will be very convincing. Take it for whatever you will....

Foods that will good to have have handy to sustain you in the future, large quantities of: Water, canned meat, vegetables, fruit, oil, and rice. And whatever else you think you'll need for your family in an "Escape from L.A." type world. There's a reason they've been airing apocalyptic type programming on your television non stop this year, they're pyschologically preparing you for what's coming, don't be caught unprepared. God bless you, even the spooks (not a racial term).

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Posted: 5/25/2010 9:49 AM

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A lot of people believe that religion is a "control mechanism" set up by those in power as well. I don't necessarily believe them but its a possibility.



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Posted: 5/25/2010 11:34 AM

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With regards to escatology and the end times, a deception of this type seems plausible to manufacture.  It does not necessarily have to be "Aliens" used as a plotline that unifies the secular world.  Let's say for instance this gushing oil well in the gulf is attempted to be plugged by massive quantities of explosives.  Let's say instead of plugging the hole they rip open a cavernous gaping hole that gushes 100 times more oil into the gulf than is previously seen. 

This would foul the entire world's oceans eventually, which in turn would unite the world in some new quasi eco religious movement.  The "right" and "capitalism" obviously would be blamed and persecuted merciously for their sins against the earth.   1/4 of all the fish in the sea would die and so would many people.   Maybe they set the oil on fire, and that alters our environment with thick black smoke bellowing into the air endlessly.  Litterally the world would be set on fire, and the fire would be uncontrollable.  Some world leader would step to the forefront, with a solution, and perhaps it works, and he is worshiped as a demi god.  Maybe they put the fires out with nukes, but it dumps massive quantities of radiation into the air killing more.  I guess what I am saying is that when it comes to the "end times" and prophecy, we really don't know what would touch off such events as mentioned in the bible, but the possibilities are endless.

Actually, hmmm.  My scenario would make a scary book....no?
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Posted: 5/25/2010 11:42 AM

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All this thread is missing is some Skree!

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Posted: 5/26/2010 9:53 PM

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HayekWasRight wrote:
DawgsofWar wrote:
True...I could have done with a little creative editing of Dr. Manhattan's little glowing blue fishworm.  ohlord

What?  You wanted them to make it bigger?
Thank you for that disturbing mental image.

Brain Bleach, please!

(and may I just say, this is the most appropriate and awesome hijack of a thread.  Ever.)

Mod edit:  Sometimes, I hate this job!
~Tact is for those not witty enough to use sarcasm.

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Posted: 5/27/2010 9:25 AM

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DawgsofWar wrote:

(and may I just say, this is the most appropriate and awesome hijack of a thread.  Ever.)
Only to those who dismiss the spirit of this fine community.

To others, it's just a dodge, and adds nothing but derision to the discussion.

Child-like derision, at that. disbelief
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Posted: 5/27/2010 1:18 PM

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SkreemanDawg wrote:

Attack the post. Not the poster.

Some sort of intelligent response would be good.

Your weak sarcasm just looks like kiddie krap from your Rant friends.

No pterodactyls were mentioned.



Aliens are not real, UFO's are military aircraft. Everything on your store shelves that you think are the "latest technology" is technology the government and military have had for 30-40 years. God is real, satan is real, angels are real, demons are real, man is real, aliens are not. You're being set up for a fake alien invasion, the type depicted in " V ", and is most likely what the bible is refering to when it talks about "The Great Deception". Don't be fooled, it will look very convincing, but the alien invasion they're psychologically preparing people to accept via tv shows and movies will be completely phony.


Sometimes posts are too silly to be taken seriously Skree.  That's my honest take on this.  The above snippet literally made me laugh out loud.
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Posted: 5/27/2010 1:40 PM

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Sometimes posts are too silly to be taken seriously Skree.  That's my honest take on this.  The above snippet literally made me laugh out loud.

The other problem is that while it only takes a few seconds to type out a whacked out idea, it takes exponentially more time to pin it down and try to refute or address it with facts.  The original post has enough conspiratorial ideas for a whole series of movies, and trying to address/refute all of it is a practical impossibility.  Particularly since there is no evidence supporting it in the first place, so there is not even a practical starting point for a discussion.  And this is suppose to be a discussion board, not a personal blog.

That makes Watchmen the default better discussion topic by a landslide.

 

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Posted: 5/27/2010 2:16 PM

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SkreemanDawg wrote:


To others, it's just a dodge, and adds nothing but derision to the discussion.





One question... do you seriously believe all that BT4L has written in his original post?  If so, why, and if not, what parts do you think are erroneous? 

You seem to pop into these threads with regularity anymore, often seeking to chide others for their behaviors, all the while not really adding much to the debate yourself... we both know you're capable of more than that, so let's have at it.

 

Why should we take all of the claims in the OP seriously?

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Posted: 5/27/2010 3:01 PM

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penndawg44 wrote:



Why should we take all of the claims in the OP seriously?


And if we did, shouldn't we all just get the hell off this message board as fast as possible.  I mean, the OP said this:

...[T]his thread will inform not those that I would have it speak to, but a few of the spooks who monitor me and this message board....

But all kidding aside, I think if you read that initial post thoroughly, and really think about the OP's mindset, we may actually be doing the OP a disservice by taking his ideas seriously and discussing them.  And I mean that sincerely.

 

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Posted: 5/27/2010 3:14 PM

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penndawg44 wrote:



SkreemanDawg wrote:


To others, it's just a dodge, and adds nothing but derision to the discussion.





One question... do you seriously believe all that BT4L has written in his original post?  If so, why, and if not, what parts do you think are erroneous? 

You seem to pop into these threads with regularity anymore, often seeking to chide others for their behaviors, all the while not really adding much to the debate yourself... we both know you're capable of more than that, so let's have at it.

 

Why should we take all of the claims in the OP seriously?

Seconded. Please lead us by example, Skree. What's your take on the OP?

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Posted: 5/27/2010 8:46 PM

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1)  There is no God
2)  It is a mathematical certain that there are aliens
3)  I have been saying the economy was gonna crash way before you
4)  Free trade and capitalism are dead.  Ask China.  State controlled capitalism is the face of the 21st Century.
5)  The only thing you got right was that big banks due run most of the West, but thats about all.  See China, who suffered a small bumb of a recession, no crash, because the STATE controls the banks.
6)  How do you propose the Kings of The East send 200 million troops to Israel, violating India and a hell of a trek, that ANYONE could see coming and send a few well placed ICMBS and stop the troops in their midst?
7)  Jewish financial elements are securing positions of power and economic influence in Russia under many disguises, Russia will not be attacking the Holy (LOL) Land anytime soon.
8)  Relax, and understand the world is not the problem, but your perceptions of it are, then you will achieve you true spirtual awakening.

BTW - Jesus real name was St. Issa and he was a buddhist jew....

In subtle ways I am a piece of everyone I have ever met. In obvious ways I am none of them.

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Posted: 5/27/2010 9:02 PM

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woofblitzer wrote: 1)  There is no God Won't debate.
2)  It is a mathematical certain that there are aliens Probably
3)  I have been saying the economy was gonna crash way before you Everything is crashing in your mind
4)  Free trade and capitalism are dead.  Ask China.  State controlled capitalism is the face of the 21st Century. Just like Woodrow, Teddy, and LaFollette
5)  The only thing you got right was that big banks due run most of the West, but thats about all.  See China, who suffered a small bumb of a recession, no crash, because the STATE controls the banks. Outside of the cities it is a lovely place to live. Ever been there?
6)  How do you propose the Kings of The East send 200 million troops to Israel, violating India and a hell of a trek, that ANYONE could see coming and send a few well placed ICMBS and stop the troops in their midst? Huh?
7)  Jewish financial elements are securing positions of power and economic influence in Russia under many disguises, Russia will not be attacking the Holy (LOL) Land anytime soon. Okay
8)  Relax, and understand the world is not the problem, but your perceptions of it are, then you will achieve you true spirtual awakening. =Smoke more, it will make you more able to understand... Man...

BTW - Jesus real name was St. Issa and he was a buddhist jew.... Whatever you say...


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Posted: 5/28/2010 3:50 PM

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1)  There is no God

One would have to know everything to know that and thus be God.  Therefore, this is most certainly not conclusive.

2)  It is a mathematical certain that there are aliens

This is quite wrong.  Please read the book Rare Earth written by an agnostic and atheist, both who believe in naturalism and evolution and believe we are the product of accident.  Their conclusion is that Earth was a very highly unlikely happening and that while there may be aliens, they are most certainly microbes and nothing more and that this planet is the only one with animal life.

 

Many put the odds at well over 1 in 10100 that there is another planet like Earth.  There are 1024 stars in the entire universe.  If each one has ten planets around it there are 1025 planets in the universe.  Those odds are terrible for their being another Earth-like planet, much less one that had life form on it by accident.   

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Posted: 5/31/2010 10:08 AM

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HayekWasRight wrote: Sometimes posts are too silly to be taken seriously Skree.  That's my honest take on this.  The above snippet literally made me laugh out loud.

The other problem is that while it only takes a few seconds to type out a whacked out idea, it takes exponentially more time to pin it down and try to refute or address it with facts.  The original post has enough conspiratorial ideas for a whole series of movies, and trying to address/refute all of it is a practical impossibility.  Particularly since there is no evidence supporting it in the first place, so there is not even a practical starting point for a discussion.  And this is suppose to be a discussion board, not a personal blog.

That makes Watchmen the default better discussion topic by a landslide.
I hear ya.

I'd be much happier with a tight little paragraph to discuss, rather than a novella.

All of that stuff seems wacky... and there's a good chance that a lot of it is. Who can tell, with all the misinfo and disinfo out there, as well as the general public's unwillingness to look beyond the surface of what we "know".

If there are more than 4 dimensions (3d + Time), and I think mathematics has proven this all but conclusively, then there is indeed a tasty arena to house all sorts of "lunacy". Of course, a simple Blackberry would have been pure science fiction in the 1950's, so lunacy is in the eye of the society.

I posit, and I am hardly alone, that the extra dimensions are the place of what we call "the supernatural"... whether that means ghosts, demons, angels, ET, or whatever to the person calling it that. Since none of these things are provable, there will always be people who pridefully trumpet the "nutbaggery" of others. As if they somehow knew better. They don't. They just fear the possibility that ANY of that stuff might be real... which brings on a self-blinding defense mechanism.

And that is why I chided someone who is a perfect example of the realm. Whether right or not, the "opposing" post displayed a small-minded approach, honed in the 5th grade and perfected in Jr High.

If said poster actually has the answers, and can conclusively show them, he should. Otherwise he should go back to his stated agenda (that of Saul of Tarsus) and do so in the Rant.

As to the original post, I think you are looking at one person's attempt to make sense of some very cloudy water that definitely hides some shocking secrets. I highly doubt he's 100% correct, but I am also pretty sure that more than a teaspoon of what he posits is hovering somewhere close to the truth.

People that dismiss it all out of hand are probably not half as well read in the same subjects, or are misinformed lemmings by outside design. There are most definitely secrets being kept from the general public, and there is most definitely an agenda to abuse power regardless of its effect on them. Disinformation and propaganda are VERY real. Even in Ohio.

Do I believe people are being softened to accept the "reality" of "space brothers"?

It would seem that they certainly are.

And that is how one rules a world in 201?...
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Posted: 5/31/2010 1:06 PM

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SkreemanDawg wrote:

I posit, and I am hardly alone, that the extra dimensions are the place of what we call "the supernatural"... whether that means ghosts, demons, angels, ET, or whatever to the person calling it that. Since none of these things are provable, there will always be people who pridefully trumpet the "nutbaggery" of others. As if they somehow knew better. They don't. They just fear the possibility that ANY of that stuff might be real... which brings on a self-blinding defense mechanism.
I couldnt agree more Skree that...

1)  there is another realm or dimension that exists.
2 ) we are somehow connected to it.

Where we differ though is...

3)  it's probable existence does not necessarily validate certain Christian beliefs or the Bible
4)  and you are just as capable of being effected by a self-blinding mechanism.

As far as the OP goes, BT out did himself this time. I'd be interested to here some BT extrapolations on Erich von Doniken though
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Posted: 6/1/2010 10:25 AM

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SkreemanDawg wrote:
HayekWasRight wrote: Sometimes posts are too silly to be taken seriously Skree.  That's my honest take on this.  The above snippet literally made me laugh out loud.

The other problem is that while it only takes a few seconds to type out a whacked out idea, it takes exponentially more time to pin it down and try to refute or address it with facts.  The original post has enough conspiratorial ideas for a whole series of movies, and trying to address/refute all of it is a practical impossibility.  Particularly since there is no evidence supporting it in the first place, so there is not even a practical starting point for a discussion.  And this is suppose to be a discussion board, not a personal blog.

That makes Watchmen the default better discussion topic by a landslide.
I hear ya.

I'd be much happier with a tight little paragraph to discuss, rather than a novella.

All of that stuff seems wacky... and there's a good chance that a lot of it is. Who can tell, with all the misinfo and disinfo out there, as well as the general public's unwillingness to look beyond the surface of what we "know".

If there are more than 4 dimensions (3d + Time), and I think mathematics has proven this all but conclusively, then there is indeed a tasty arena to house all sorts of "lunacy". Of course, a simple Blackberry would have been pure science fiction in the 1950's, so lunacy is in the eye of the society.

I posit, and I am hardly alone, that the extra dimensions are the place of what we call "the supernatural"... whether that means ghosts, demons, angels, ET, or whatever to the person calling it that. Since none of these things are provable, there will always be people who pridefully trumpet the "nutbaggery" of others. As if they somehow knew better. They don't. They just fear the possibility that ANY of that stuff might be real... which brings on a self-blinding defense mechanism.

And that is why I chided someone who is a perfect example of the realm. Whether right or not, the "opposing" post displayed a small-minded approach, honed in the 5th grade and perfected in Jr High.

If said poster actually has the answers, and can conclusively show them, he should. Otherwise he should go back to his stated agenda (that of Saul of Tarsus) and do so in the Rant.

As to the original post, I think you are looking at one person's attempt to make sense of some very cloudy water that definitely hides some shocking secrets. I highly doubt he's 100% correct, but I am also pretty sure that more than a teaspoon of what he posits is hovering somewhere close to the truth.

People that dismiss it all out of hand are probably not half as well read in the same subjects, or are misinformed lemmings by outside design. There are most definitely secrets being kept from the general public, and there is most definitely an agenda to abuse power regardless of its effect on them. Disinformation and propaganda are VERY real. Even in Ohio.

Do I believe people are being softened to accept the "reality" of "space brothers"?

It would seem that they certainly are.

And that is how one rules a world in 201?...

What's the point? Seriously, even if you think BT4L is 100% accurate, what is the point of his posts? If we really are entering the end times, then all that should matter to you is getting right with Jesus. Why do you waste time with this end of the world crap? Are you trying to prevent it? Portpone it? What's the point. In the terms of your religion you shouldn't be using the end of the world as a "you better get right with Jesus" campaign. People wouldn't be turning to your religion out of love or sincerity, but out of fear. So what's the point? If you honestly believe this is the time spoken of in the Bible, then what exactly are you trying to do here?
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People that dismiss it all out of hand are probably not half as well read in the same subjects, or are misinformed lemmings by outside design.

I suspect the majority of posters didn't even get through the whole thing.

 

If someone is going to post something they expect to be controversial, tthey owe it to the other people here to present it in a form that makes it amenable to discussion.  They also need to back it up with some facts rather than just their own belief that they have some sort of mystical insight that other people don't have, because that is inherently non-debateable.

This is an attack on the post, not the poster.  To use an analogy, he threw a few dump trucks full of mud against the wall, and if the rest of us don't manage to scrub it all back down to pearly whiteness, the assumption will be that some of it is true.  In reality, it just takes too damn much work.  So the only way to address such a post properly is to point out how it is inherently non-discussable, and leave it at that.  It's not OUR job to whittle his points down to a manageable level.

 

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Posted: 6/1/2010 2:51 PM

Per request of the OP. 


I trimmed the Watchmen stuff out of this thread since it was an admitted hijack.  If you want to have a Watchmen thread, feel free to post one.  As far as the original post, (tl;dr) I have no comment.
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Posted: 6/1/2010 3:20 PM

Re: "V", 'The Great Deception', 2012, End 



Glen369 wrote:
What's the point? Seriously, even if you think BT4L is 100% accurate, what is the point of his posts? If we really are entering the end times, then all that should matter to you is getting right with Jesus. Why do you waste time with this end of the world crap? Are you trying to prevent it? Portpone it? What's the point. In the terms of your religion you shouldn't be using the end of the world as a "you better get right with Jesus" campaign. People wouldn't be turning to your religion out of love or sincerity, but out of fear. So what's the point? If you honestly believe this is the time spoken of in the Bible, then what exactly are you trying to do here?
That is a tremendously good question... especially the part about fear vs love.

Personally, it has taken me years to refine the answer as it relates to my own personal responsibilities... when I was younger, I had a different "agenda" than I do now. I thought people could actually be persuaded to leave a self-centered life for a God-centered life, but that seems pretty rare indeed.

For me, I primarily hope to
  • wake up those who are fence-sitters (sleeping "Christians")
  • exhort those who also understand ("You are not alone in this...")
  • interest even a tiny percentage of non-Christians to dig in
  • wipe the blood from my hands re: people that won't hear it anywhere else

in that order.

It's simple, really. I frequently read the Bible and geo-political news as well as research the history of spirituality. This is my bailiwick. As such, I see stuff I am compelled to address, even if just to see how others react to the concept. When I hear what they have to say, I learn from it so that I can hopefully better communicate in the future.

I'd love it if people saw the danger and it woke them up. I'd love it if people chose to dig into their Bible and find out what it REALLY says, vs what the mainstream (both religious and secular) say about it. I'd love it if people saw the spiritual warfare that has blinded society from the simplicity of salvation.

"Getting right with Jesus" is a curious phrase. One who has accepted His Sacrifice for their own is already "right" with Him. From here, it is a matter of growing into a closer personal relationship and becoming more obedient out of real love for the Giver. The fear is gone, and replaced with what the old blue hairs called "blessed assurance". The RCC, however, tends to scare their followers away from any assurance whatsoever, replacing it with fear and guilt, not to mention a works-related salvation. Perhaps that is what you meant by "getting right"?
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