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Why don't people like Obama?

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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:07 AM

Why don't people like Obama? 


 

I'm not referring to the people who voted for someone else.  I'm talking about  the people who voted for him in the last election.   I base this on some of the voter interviews I read yesterday where people were expressing dissatisfaction with what he's done so far.  Sure, that's anecdotal, but his popularity has also beens sinking according to polls so I think there's some merrit in my premise. 

 

Obama promised to implement some kind of health care reform.  He's doing that to the best of his ability.  Sure, the legislative branch is still arguing over the specifics, but that's the system we have.  It's a process.  ;-)

 

Obama also said that he would focus our military efforts in Afghanistan.  He's delivered on that, at least so far, although I'm sensing a move to a "half in" instead of an "all in" approach.  But that's not a confirmed policy yet so as far as I can tell, he's delivered on what he promised during the campaign. 

 

Stimulus Spending?  I sure saw that coming even if he didn't make a specific promise about it.  Same goes for the auto bail-out.  If anyone was surprised by those moves, they simply were not paying attention. 

 

One area where he as failied is in his promise to close Gitmo, but that's not for lack of trying.  He simply ran into the problems of dealing with the reality of the situation.  Where will you put these people if you want to move them? 

 

All in all, his presidency has played out pretty much as I would have predicted, with the exception that I didn't think he really would escalate our involvement in Afghanistan.  But that was just my cynicism.  He's doing pretty much exactly what he said he would do.     

 

So, why are some of his supporters unhappy with him?  Is it due to unreasonable expectations of what can be accomplished within our system?  Were they not paying attention to what he said?  I just don't see why his supporters would have a change of heart at this point. 

Of course if the Browns traded Tate it would give them room to keep 13 DBs on the roster and maybe set some kind of record - Harpster

Last edited 11/5/2009 8:09 AM by JabbaTheMutt

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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:57 AM

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Fair question.

 

I'm unhappy with him, not disgusted or ready to dump him, but definitely dissasitfied.

 

1.  The health care bill.  He hasn't been out in front.  He let the tea-baggers and the Trig Death Panel beyotch lie for far too long before calling them.  He let the Fear Factory run amok, spreading flat out lies and operating by scaring the crap out of the population before calling them on it.

 

2.  My biggest gripe with him is that he made a deal with big pharm to push against imports of foreign (Canadian) drugs and to dissallow medicare from negotiating drug prices which is a no-brainer for controlling costs.  He has made backroom deals with lobbyists.  The deal with big pharm pisses me off so badly.

 

3. Failure to close Gitmo.  I know it's tough, but make some tough decisions.  Not everyone is going to be happy and the Tea-Baggers and the Fear Factory are going to fight you regardless.

 

4.  Wall Street Bailouts.  OK, this is a continuation of the Bush policy, but holy crap.  These bastards are getting multi-100K bonuses and sometimes multi-million with our taxpayer money.  Our kids futures are mortgaged and they get bonuses.  The rest of the country gets real-estate that isn't worth their mortgage and unemployment.

 

If Obama gets some of his promises done, then he'll be OK.  Until then, his favor is dropping.  The no-import, no-negotiation deal with big pharm was so horrible for this country.  Medicare iis our taxpayer money and the best use of it would be to allow it's numbers to negotiate drug prices.   Canadians (everyone in every other country) get lower priced drugs which would be better for our citizens whose health care costs are rising at double digit rates and have been for over a decade. Compound the inflation over the next 10 years and then you've got something to be scared of.

 

If Obama can get a health care bill that is actually a reform and will lower prices, then he'll get my support.  I'm skeptical at this point that it will just be a sham bill like the Republican's Medicare Reform Act of 2003,, but IMO, that's the most important issue.

 

The economy also needs to turn around.  The country is hurting badly and that's never good for an incumbent of any party.

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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:20 AM

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Primarily Jabba it seems like Obama stood for things and now all of a sudden it seems like he doesnt stand for anything. You say he promised to bring health care reform and he's delivered on that the best he can. I'd say that's not entirely true, As a candidate he championed single payer. As President he's unwilling to even go to the mat for a public option. The entire debate seems like a charade being played out to placate the desires of an electorate that want to see reform of a system that is taxing the fukk out of the economy but the politicians are doing their level best to maintain the status quo.

 

Your right he did promise to close Gitmo and has failed to deliver on that promise. Even worse for folks whose world view is opposed to the idea of Gitmo, it's being reported the practice of rendition is still going on; and he wants no part of a torture investigation.

 

On the economic front, he has turned to the architects of the disaster IMO to supposedly try and undo what they did. It's a redux of the Clinton economic team and a bunch of Government Sachs Oligarchs. Geithner doesnt even pay his freaking taxes. Retaining Bernanke is just another nod to the Financial oligarchs that have seized control of our economy.

 

He promised an end to business as usual in Washington. He tapped into the angst and anger of so many people when he promised that lobbyist would not be a factor in his administration. That was kind of like falling out of a boat and expecting not to hit water. Is it his fault. Maybe not but he has handed out waiver after waiver to former lobbyist so they could take jobs in his administration.

 

The biggest thing is he promised hope and change and a year later it seems like the same old same old. People are losing their jobs. Banksters are taking home million dollar bonuses while small business struggle and individual credit card rates go to 30%. Casualties are on the rise in Afghanistan and there is an ongoing debate about expanding our presence in what all likelyhood is an unwinnable war.

 

Meanwhile Emperopr hope fails to take a stand on anything. He's supposed to be the HMFIC in charge and he equivocates on everything and seems like nothing more than a tool for the big money that got him elected.

 

 

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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:30 AM

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donniekerabatsos wrote:

 

The biggest thing is he promised hope and change and a year later it seems like the same old same old.  

 

 

 

Thanks for the thoughtful replies from both of you. 

 

This statement jumped out at me.   You're right.  He really ran on "change you can believe in".  But as we talked about in the months preceding the election, WTPH does that really mean?  It's nebulous and open to different interpretations by different people.  That's very useful when one is campaigning, but it can lead to unhappiness during the governing phase since inevitably, some people will feel cheated. 

 

Of course if the Browns traded Tate it would give them room to keep 13 DBs on the roster and maybe set some kind of record - Harpster

Last edited 11/5/2009 8:32 AM by JabbaTheMutt

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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:47 AM

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Look, people can and do say absolutely anything during campaigns. They're trying to win. If you're taken in by a candidate's glowing rhetoric that can't possibly have any relationship to reality, that's not the candidate's problem, it's yours.

 

Obama was never going to be able to implement a truly liberal agenda because America isn't a liberal country. It's just that simple. The left wing, I'm sure, is going berzerk because he's unable to acheive everything he said he would, and this is why the left wing can never be genuinely victorious - because they do not understand how politics works and like the children they are, want everything now, now, now. And if they don't get want they want now, it's because of those mean conservatives who make up the majority of the country.

 

 

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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:52 AM

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JabbaTheMutt wrote:

 

donniekerabatsos wrote:

 

The biggest thing is he promised hope and change and a year later it seems like the same old same old.

 

 

 

Thanks for the thoughtful replies from both of you.

 

This statement jumped out at me.   You're right.  He really ran on "change you can believe in".  But as we talked about in the months preceding the election, WTPH does that really mean?  It's nebulous and open to different interpretations by different people.  That's very useful when one is campaigning, but it can lead to unhappiness during the governing phase since inevitably, some people will feel cheated.

 

A while back I likened it to a pig in a poke, and at this point that's how I see Emperor Hope.

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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:01 AM

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Why didn't people like Bush, Jabba?

 

Why didn't people like Clinton, Jabba?

 

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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:11 AM

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olecowboy wrote:

Why didn't people like Bush, Jabba?

 

Why didn't people like Clinton, Jabba?

 

rolleyes

Bush did not campaign on going to war but that's what people judged him by.


Clinton campaigned on a tax cut.  Once elected, Clinton raised taxes.

 

Obama is doing just what he said he would (edit - at least that was my premise).  noidea 

 

 

Of course if the Browns traded Tate it would give them room to keep 13 DBs on the roster and maybe set some kind of record - Harpster

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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:27 AM

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You only read the thread's subject line and not the actual post, correct? 

Of course if the Browns traded Tate it would give them room to keep 13 DBs on the roster and maybe set some kind of record - Harpster
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:31 AM

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blah2 ...oc's opinions

 

You don't get enuff STFU in your mellon diet.

 

...and its too bad you can't just be a bystander to an interesting conversation...

Hope is a moment now long past, the shadow of death is the one I cast.

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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:49 AM

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Here is why I don't buy your "Pig in a Poke" analogy. The Pig in a Poke analogy requires the assumption that people bought something with out investigating the real nature of what they bought.  I disagree, Obama was investigated, and vetted.  The people that did the investigation and vetting were called wing-nuts, fascists, racists and the like. There were people screaming from the rooftops, "DON'T BUY IT, ITS A FREAKING CAT!"  Now unfortunately for those people, they were selling 10 day old pork that was left sitting out in the sun as an alternative, but to say that people didn't know what they were getting with Obama couldn't be further from the truth.

donniekerabatsos wrote:


A while back I likened it to a pig in a poke, and at this point that's how I see Emperor Hope.

 

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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:00 AM

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I am fully willing to admit I made a mistake in voting for Obama. During the debates I felt that Obama had an idea vs McCain who seemed to be shooting from the hip. I remember McCain making a statement that he would freeze spending for a year and it just seemed like he was making it up on the spot. That really made me concerned about his ability to be president. I felt that grumpy was not the right disposition for POTUS.

Obama beyond the actual policies he was pushing seemed to be making a promise that I want to hear addressed and fixed. That beyond actual legislation that needs to be passed or not passed, Washington is broken beyond repair. Neither party is going to succeed IMO until Washington is fixed. I do not trust politicians. I do not believe they care one bit about the American people. They care about being re-elected and every single official decision they make is geared to that goal and that goal only. In their personal lives, they just seem like slimy used car salesman. I hate that about our government.

Obama said that he understood this. He promised to fix it. He has failed to do that.
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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:03 AM

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CantonDawg1228 wrote:

Here is why I don't buy your "Pig in a Poke" analogy. The Pig in a Poke analogy requires the assumption that people bought something with out investigating the real nature of what they bought.  I disagree, Obama was investigated, and vetted.  The people that did the investigation and vetting were called wing-nuts, fascists, racists and the like. There were people screaming from the rooftops, "DON'T BUY IT, ITS A FREAKING CAT!"  Now unfortunately for those people, they were selling 10 day old pork that was left sitting out in the sun as an alternative, but to say that people didn't know what they were getting with Obama couldn't be further from the truth.

donniekerabatsos wrote:


A while back I likened it to a pig in a poke, and at this point that's how I see Emperor Hope.

 

Well unfortunately the people screaming from the rooftops that what we were buying was a cat, are the same folks that thought George Bush was a conservative. Even a clock is right twice a day.

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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:20 AM

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>> Well unfortunately the people screaming from the rooftops that what we were buying was a cat, are the same folks that thought George Bush was a conservative.

 

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this. Like many, I went out of my way trying to explain that Bush was no conservative - at least as I understood the term - and was continuously shouted down by liberals who said that not only was Bush a solid right-winger, but he (and Cheney) personified conservatism and all that was wrong with it.

 

I'm not going to argue anymore over Bush's conservative credentials or lack thereof. He's history and such a debate is completely useless. But I do think it's constructive to note that those of us who warned from the beginning that Obama was an empty suit were shouted down as irrelevant due to our perceived support of Bush. Oh, well, three more years.

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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:36 AM

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olecowboy wrote:

 

 

 


I would say keep dreaming, but Clinton was in no small amount of trouble in his first term and got out of it pretty impressively. An interesting question, though, is that if Obama does lose in 2012, how much of it will be attributed to ******? Will his supporters, particularly the African Americans and the college lefties, take to the streets and makes jackasses of themselves?

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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:03 PM

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jeffyraven wrote:

Look, people can and do say absolutely anything during campaigns. They're trying to win. If you're taken in by a candidate's glowing rhetoric that can't possibly have any relationship to reality, that's not the candidate's problem, it's yours.

 

Obama was never going to be able to implement a truly liberal agenda because America isn't a liberal country. It's just that simple. The left wing, I'm sure, is going berzerk because he's unable to acheive everything he said he would, and this is why the left wing can never be genuinely victorious - because they do not understand how politics works and like the children they are, want everything now, now, now. And if they don't get want they want now, it's because of those mean conservatives who make up the majority of the country.

 

 


While I agree America is more conservative than liberal, I think the liberals have been getting their way for decades via the court system and incremental legislation.  While they are stopped from big, sweeping changes in most cases, they then reset and take baby steps, always working toward socializing the country more and more.

 

The conservatives seemingly win battles while losing the war.

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Posted: 11/5/2009 12:58 PM

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Mr Cowboy.  Find another venue.  There are plenty of others on this very site. 

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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:02 PM

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aye aye!

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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:04 PM

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Never give in to tyranny OC!!
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Posted: 11/5/2009 2:31 PM

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"Why don't people like Obama?"

 

g:  There are myriad reasons, but the most prominent is that he really meant "to fundamentally transform" an "America" that people generally still like, terrible flaws and all.  He wants to put us into greater debt than we've ever seen and extend government into areas people want to remain unfettered, most obviously health care.  That's one tack.

 

The other tack is this person is obviously unqualified for the job and campaigned on vacuously defined "change" and "hope" (despite a personal record of far-left training and comments), but who then, upon taking office, immediately started hiring crooked party hacks and playing politics as usual.  Even for many credulous persons, that conflict or disonance was shocking.  Many of us saw him for what he was from the beginning, those fooled are regretting their fool's gold. 

 

Three pictures rather capture the gist of this guy:

 

       

 

 

                

 

 

              

"... Wooten and Hickerson at the guards, and at fullback, number 32, Jim ..."

Go Browns!

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