Brownieman wrote: I'm not a fan of Colt McCoy. I'm a fan of the Cleveland Browns. I want what is best for my team. We tried to upgrade QB but it didn't work out. Colt is good enough to man the position until we find an upgrade for the right price. I'm getting behind the QB of MY TEAM. I am not going to sit here and hope for him to fail so I can thump my own chest about my talent evaluation abilities like many of you are waiting to do.

If he fails he fails, but there isn't anyone better right now, so build the damn cockpit and be ready to grab a qb next year... Why is that so hard for some of you to get behind?

festerdawg wrote:

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: No harm, no foul. It happens to the best of us.  

Brownieman wrote: lol wow, I'm sorry.... I've been in a randy mood all morning and I guess I went off all half-cocked.... I usually reread people's post a few times before I respond as I try my hardest to avoid miscommunications.

Admittedly I read yours quickly and misunderstood your post... have to admit, I'm a little embarrassed.... but fortunately for me, a new poster puts his/her foot in their mouth every couple of posts around here, so my gaffe will soon be forgotten.

Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: You misunderstood, I wasn't accusing you of anything. In fact, I was actually agreeing with you and adding my own comments to support the comments you made to fester. You took my post the wrong way.

Two Colt McCoy fans getting it wrong?

imagine that

Sure your not...

if we take tanney at 4 im goinna be a M fer to live with for quite a while

ray47424 wrote: if we take tanney at 4 im goinna be a M fer to live with for quite a while

And one...prepare for the weekly stat machine.

Mayock should watch this Tannehill tape ... Thanksgiving vs. Texas.

Another second half lead lost. Many of those in 2011.

And remember ... Longhorns barely made it to the Holiday Bowl this year.

Bring him in, but not before third round.

(caution - explicit lyrics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jwbcbdEYZk

You can look at my posts for the past two years and find me constantly saying to build this team and let McCoy take the lumps before we go for a first round QB, unless we are absolutely sure they have franchise material.

H&H felt that Bradford had it and made a play for him, and they obviously think Griffin has it, but that didn't work out either.

If Tanny was a can't miss prospect I could get behind us drafting him... but reality is, he's a monumental reach in the top 10 and this team can't afford a mistake like him with a high draft pick... we already have over a decades worth of them already.

Like I said, I want what's best for the team. My posting history is consistent with that. So go ahead and say your little one liner and use your little rolly eyes emoticon, you still don't know what your talking about.

festerdawg wrote:

Brownieman wrote: I'm not a fan of Colt McCoy. I'm a fan of the Cleveland Browns. I want what is best for my team. We tried to upgrade QB but it didn't work out. Colt is good enough to man the position until we find an upgrade for the right price. I'm getting behind the QB of MY TEAM. I am not going to sit here and hope for him to fail so I can thump my own chest about my talent evaluation abilities like many of you are waiting to do.

If he fails he fails, but there isn't anyone better right now, so build the damn cockpit and be ready to grab a qb next year... Why is that so hard for some of you to get behind?

festerdawg wrote:

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: No harm, no foul. It happens to the best of us.  

Brownieman wrote: lol wow, I'm sorry.... I've been in a randy mood all morning and I guess I went off all half-cocked.... I usually reread people's post a few times before I respond as I try my hardest to avoid miscommunications.

Admittedly I read yours quickly and misunderstood your post... have to admit, I'm a little embarrassed.... but fortunately for me, a new poster puts his/her foot in their mouth every couple of posts around here, so my gaffe will soon be forgotten.

Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: You misunderstood, I wasn't accusing you of anything. In fact, I was actually agreeing with you and adding my own comments to support the comments you made to fester. You took my post the wrong way.

Two Colt McCoy fans getting it wrong?

imagine that

Sure your not...

Nah, Tannehill is too old. He will be 24 at the start of the season.

Griffin = Tebow. Excellent college quarterback. Skills do not translate to the pros, however. Tannehill will be a better pro quarterback in time.

Book it.

There are some pretty good QB's coming out next year...Matt Barkley, Landry Jones...

If we pass on a stud like Richardson and take a somewhat developemental "franchise" QB like Tannehill at #4, what will happen if this team only wins 4-5 games and are in line for a guy like Barkley or Jones?
Do we pass because we drafted Tannehill a year earlier, and are hoping he develops into the franchise QB that all the so called experts are predicting?
That being said, I don't think we are drafting Tannehill. Fill a hole!
Draft Richardson!

Do you even watch football bud? Lol
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--- RedZone1 wrote:

Griffin = Tebow. Excellent college quarterback. Skills do not translate to the pros, however. Tannehill will be a better pro quarterback in time.

Book it.

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Mayock also refused to even talk about Cam Newton last year in NFL Network's draft coverage.  Like dude got pissy when Newton was brought up.

Mayock said Tannehill's Pro Day was almost as good as JaMarcus Russell's was.

Pretty much sold me on Richardson or Blackmon right there.

I just hope they don't take the receiver who dropped those two passes.

RedZone1 wrote: Griffin = Tebow. Excellent college quarterback. Skills do not translate to the pros, however. Tannehill will be a better pro quarterback in time.

Book it.

This was seriously the dumbest thing i've read in a while  

SO, first:  Griffin = Tebow?

OK. . . give me a second here. . . i'm still digesting that. . . . . . still scratching my head. . .  yeah, that makes absolutely no sense 

Second:  you have a magical time prospect clock for Tannehill?

OK, awesome. . . . how much time does it tell you he needs before he's ready to maybe be an NFL QB because i'm pretty sure Griffin/Richardson/Blackmon/Clairboune will be tearing it up game 1 like a real top 5 pick should.

Maycock can suit my hock.He's an asnhoe,like his network.[tho they showed a hilite look at Motley that had me cheering.Better than j.b.,and a key to the WCO blitzkrieg that destroyed/invented modern football]. Trust p.b.'s nephew Holmy to find a gem. His game--he WINS. No 1st.rd.QB's,maybe in '13.Now, an ALL-PRO CB,RB,OT,WR,whatever.Should get 2 really good guys this draft.We're not the old team, FA's WILL come here by next year.[they tried '11,'12.good FA's didn't want to be here.] hell,our Franchise guy is a K,our deep threat.The FO,the fans,the region....backed at our 2yd.line,we love it,and will prevail,[some nice D stands last year no?]. I'm not a homer. this team[+tribe] has hurt me as much as women..It's different this time.           Forgot why i brought up Motley, :Trent. A tough WCO rb. His film,wow, great receiver.

festerdawg wrote:

Brownieman wrote: I'm not a fan of Colt McCoy. I'm a fan of the Cleveland Browns. I want what is best for my team. We tried to upgrade QB but it didn't work out. Colt is good enough to man the position until we find an upgrade for the right price. I'm getting behind the QB of MY TEAM. I am not going to sit here and hope for him to fail so I can thump my own chest about my talent evaluation abilities like many of you are waiting to do.

If he fails he fails, but there isn't anyone better right now, so build the damn cockpit and be ready to grab a qb next year... Why is that so hard for some of you to get behind?

festerdawg wrote:

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: No harm, no foul. It happens to the best of us.  

Brownieman wrote: lol wow, I'm sorry.... I've been in a randy mood all morning and I guess I went off all half-cocked.... I usually reread people's post a few times before I respond as I try my hardest to avoid miscommunications.

Admittedly I read yours quickly and misunderstood your post... have to admit, I'm a little embarrassed.... but fortunately for me, a new poster puts his/her foot in their mouth every couple of posts around here, so my gaffe will soon be forgotten.

Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: You misunderstood, I wasn't accusing you of anything. In fact, I was actually agreeing with you and adding my own comments to support the comments you made to fester. You took my post the wrong way.

Two Colt McCoy fans getting it wrong?

imagine that

Sure your not...

Wow, Festeringdawg being a prick.  Will wonders never cease?

 NO WAY! If H&H take him at #4 they're sealing their fate! Mayock is a lousy evaluator of QB talent.... Jaramcus Russell anybody? He said Russell was a no brainer the Raiders had to take him. Take Richardson, what a stud! You need a star NOW!

peeode wrote:

festerdawg wrote:

Brownieman wrote: I'm not a fan of Colt McCoy. I'm a fan of the Cleveland Browns. I want what is best for my team. We tried to upgrade QB but it didn't work out. Colt is good enough to man the position until we find an upgrade for the right price. I'm getting behind the QB of MY TEAM. I am not going to sit here and hope for him to fail so I can thump my own chest about my talent evaluation abilities like many of you are waiting to do.

If he fails he fails, but there isn't anyone better right now, so build the damn cockpit and be ready to grab a qb next year... Why is that so hard for some of you to get behind?

festerdawg wrote:

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: No harm, no foul. It happens to the best of us.  

Brownieman wrote: lol wow, I'm sorry.... I've been in a randy mood all morning and I guess I went off all half-cocked.... I usually reread people's post a few times before I respond as I try my hardest to avoid miscommunications.

Admittedly I read yours quickly and misunderstood your post... have to admit, I'm a little embarrassed.... but fortunately for me, a new poster puts his/her foot in their mouth every couple of posts around here, so my gaffe will soon be forgotten.

Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: You misunderstood, I wasn't accusing you of anything. In fact, I was actually agreeing with you and adding my own comments to support the comments you made to fester. You took my post the wrong way.

Two Colt McCoy fans getting it wrong?

imagine that

Sure your not...

Wow, Festeringdawg being a prick.  Will wonders never cease?

I see my own personal little troll is peaping around other threads.

festerdawg wrote:

peeode wrote:

festerdawg wrote:

Brownieman wrote: I'm not a fan of Colt McCoy. I'm a fan of the Cleveland Browns. I want what is best for my team. We tried to upgrade QB but it didn't work out. Colt is good enough to man the position until we find an upgrade for the right price. I'm getting behind the QB of MY TEAM. I am not going to sit here and hope for him to fail so I can thump my own chest about my talent evaluation abilities like many of you are waiting to do.

If he fails he fails, but there isn't anyone better right now, so build the damn cockpit and be ready to grab a qb next year... Why is that so hard for some of you to get behind?

festerdawg wrote:

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: No harm, no foul. It happens to the best of us.  



Two Colt McCoy fans getting it wrong?

imagine that

Sure your not...

Wow, Festeringdawg being a prick.  Will wonders never cease?

I see my own personal little troll is peaping around other threads.

That's rich, coming from Colt's personal little troll...

peeode wrote:

festerdawg wrote:

peeode wrote:

festerdawg wrote:

Brownieman wrote: I'm not a fan of Colt McCoy. I'm a fan of the Cleveland Browns. I want what is best for my team. We tried to upgrade QB but it didn't work out. Colt is good enough to man the position until we find an upgrade for the right price. I'm getting behind the QB of MY TEAM. I am not going to sit here and hope for him to fail so I can thump my own chest about my talent evaluation abilities like many of you are waiting to do.

If he fails he fails, but there isn't anyone better right now, so build the damn cockpit and be ready to grab a qb next year... Why is that so hard for some of you to get behind?

festerdawg wrote:

TheAlbinoRhino wrote: No harm, no foul. It happens to the best of us.  



Two Colt McCoy fans getting it wrong?

imagine that

Sure your not...

Wow, Festeringdawg being a prick.  Will wonders never cease?

I see my own personal little troll is peaping around other threads.

That's rich, coming from Colt's personal little troll...

coolt story, bruh

JPW7218 wrote: There is a lot on the line here the night of the draft.

If the Browns take Tannehill at 4 - I will be a mean drunk until our next pick...  in which I may then become a content drunk or irrate drunk.

If the Browns take Blackmon/Claiborne/Richardson - I will be a happy drunk all night long.

Please make me a happy drunk.  Please, please, please.

Well I with you as I can't see him as the first pick. No way he would beat out Colt and we need pieces to our championship puzzle. Taking Claiborne or Richardson or Blackmon would make my day (oh and that is how I see each player rated). He is a player someone at the bottom of the first round will take a flyer on or perhaps Miami. Unless someone tries to trade up with us. I really want Claiborne or Richardson myself. But Claiborne is my #1 choice.

COGUARDDAWG wrote: "I expected to see all that,'' Mayock said. "This was a scripted workout and it confirmed what I saw on tape. Potentially, down the road, he could be a franchise quarterback. The problem is, he’s not ready to play right now. He’s very raw; he only had 19 starts in college. However, because the NFL is so overheated right now when it comes to finding franchise quarterbacks, I think the kid is probably going to go higher than he should. I think Cleveland has to take him at No. 4, and if they don’t, Miami is sitting there at No. 8. So the worst-case scenario for him is, I think, that he’s going to go at No. 8 to the Dolphins.

All the praise, yet I hear;  "could",   "not ready",   "probably going higher than he should".  That's not praise, that is tempered doubt.  Stop drinking the kool-aid.  I can't believe how many usually rational football people are buying into this drivel.  We take him at 4, and he's not starting game one, this franchise is fugged for the next three to five years. Because when Richardson is running roughshod over the NFL and Tannehill is being mentored by Colt, this place will go apeshid.

Finally, someone provides context. I watched it, and my understanding of what Mayock meant was "IF THEY WANT HIM, Cleveland has to take him at 4."  In other words, he's not going to be around at their next pick at 22.

1stAnubiis wrote:

JPW7218 wrote: There is a lot on the line here the night of the draft.

If the Browns take Tannehill at 4 - I will be a mean drunk until our next pick...  in which I may then become a content drunk or irrate drunk.

If the Browns take Blackmon/Claiborne/Richardson - I will be a happy drunk all night long.

Please make me a happy drunk.  Please, please, please.

Well I with you as I can't see him as the first pick. No way he would beat out Colt and we need pieces to our championship puzzle. Taking Claiborne or Richardson or Blackmon would make my day (oh and that is how I see each player rated). He is a player someone at the bottom of the first round will take a flyer on or perhaps Miami. Unless someone tries to trade up with us. I really want Claiborne or Richardson myself. But Claiborne is my #1 choice.

Why is there no way Tannehill beats out McCoy? Not saying he will or will not, I just want to understand the line of thought

festerdawg wrote:

1stAnubiis wrote:

JPW7218 wrote: There is a lot on the line here the night of the draft.

If the Browns take Tannehill at 4 - I will be a mean drunk until our next pick...  in which I may then become a content drunk or irrate drunk.

If the Browns take Blackmon/Claiborne/Richardson - I will be a happy drunk all night long.

Please make me a happy drunk.  Please, please, please.

Well I with you as I can't see him as the first pick. No way he would beat out Colt and we need pieces to our championship puzzle. Taking Claiborne or Richardson or Blackmon would make my day (oh and that is how I see each player rated). He is a player someone at the bottom of the first round will take a flyer on or perhaps Miami. Unless someone tries to trade up with us. I really want Claiborne or Richardson myself. But Claiborne is my #1 choice.

Why is there no way Tannehill beats out McCoy? Not saying he will or will not, I just want to understand the line of thought

Honestly, it would be irrelevant if he beat out Colt from day one. You don't draft based on what the player will do immediately. You draft based on the impact you project him to have over the course of his career. If the Browns believe Tannehill can become their franchise QB, then taking him at 4, or trading down a couple slots and taking him at 5-7 makes sense. And in that scenario if they have to schlep McCoy out there on week 1, or until the bye, or even throughout 2012, so be it.

Now if they don't believe Tanny can be "the guy" then there would be no point in taking him at 4, 6, 22 or even 37. We already have our back-up.

GeeFan wrote:

Honestly, it would be irrelevant if he beat out Colt from day one. You don't draft based on what the player will do immediately. You draft based on the impact you project him to have over the course of his career. If the Browns believe Tannehill can become their franchise QB, then taking him at 4, or trading down a couple slots and taking him at 5-7 makes sense. And in that scenario if they have to schlep McCoy out there on week 1, or until the bye, or even throughout 2012, so be it.

Now if they don't believe Tanny can be "the guy" then there would be no point in taking him at 4, 6, 22 or even 37. We already have our back-up.

It absolutely would not be irrelevant.  You never draft someone unless you think they can be 'the' guy.  You don't draft a Tannehill light years above where he can probably be taken and you don't draft a Tannehill if his development time is every bit as long as Colt McCoy.   Third round picks can take some developmental time,  1st round picks that you're expecting to replace a 'career backup' within a year or two are an absolute no.

Mike Mayock. The same analyst who said Jamarcus Russell had the best pro day of any QB he had ever seen. Mike Mayock. The same analyst who said he wasn't sure if Cam Newton cared enough.

TheShank wrote: Mike Mayock. The same analyst who said Jamarcus Russell had the best pro day of any QB he had ever seen. Mike Mayock. The same analyst who said he wasn't sure if Cam Newton cared enough.

Mike Mayock is a damn moron. I can't believe anyone would listen to what that guy says.  I hate everything that comes out of his mouth, I hate the way he talks, the logic he uses when he does.   He gets all this credit now since he is on the NFL Network, but that guy is a moron and a Steeler guy to boot.  What has he really done of note to warrant respect?

Junkin wrote: Billick on Tannehill:

"I am astounded that people are talking about him in the top 10"  and specifically with regard to Cleveland and Miami:  "need is a horrible evaluator".

So, depends on who you choose to listen to.

He meant to say "Knee is a horrible evaluator".

Kyle Boller, the kid who could throw it through the uprights from mid field on his knees... and also on 3rd and 3 from the 40 yard line with a man open at the 35.

AtYourService wrote:

Junkin wrote: Billick on Tannehill:

"I am astounded that people are talking about him in the top 10"  and specifically with regard to Cleveland and Miami:  "need is a horrible evaluator".

So, depends on who you choose to listen to.

He meant to say "Knee is a horrible evaluator".

Kyle Boller, the kid who could throw it through the uprights from mid field on his knees... and also on 3rd and 3 from the 40 yard line with a man open at the 35.

LMAO.


Honestly.. Tannehill is probably not  legit top ten pick, let alone a top 5. I want a real QB as much as the next guy, but you can not turn water into wine. Tanny is a guy you would take with maybe a low first or early second, and then the risk is worth it. At 4, with probably the best player in the draft still on the board, you can not take Tanny... you just can't. I would POOP myself if the Browns did that.

PittsburghDawg wrote:

GeeFan wrote:

Honestly, it would be irrelevant if he beat out Colt from day one. You don't draft based on what the player will do immediately. You draft based on the impact you project him to have over the course of his career. If the Browns believe Tannehill can become their franchise QB, then taking him at 4, or trading down a couple slots and taking him at 5-7 makes sense. And in that scenario if they have to schlep McCoy out there on week 1, or until the bye, or even throughout 2012, so be it.

Now if they don't believe Tanny can be "the guy" then there would be no point in taking him at 4, 6, 22 or even 37. We already have our back-up.

It absolutely would not be irrelevant.  You never draft someone unless you think they can be 'the' guy.  You don't draft a Tannehill light years above where he can probably be taken and you don't draft a Tannehill if his development time is every bit as long as Colt McCoy.   Third round picks can take some developmental time,  1st round picks that you're expecting to replace a 'career backup' within a year or two are an absolute no.

Holy **** I agree. You may want to re-think your posistion on this one!

festerdawg wrote:

PittsburghDawg wrote:

GeeFan wrote:

Honestly, it would be irrelevant if he beat out Colt from day one. You don't draft based on what the player will do immediately. You draft based on the impact you project him to have over the course of his career. If the Browns believe Tannehill can become their franchise QB, then taking him at 4, or trading down a couple slots and taking him at 5-7 makes sense. And in that scenario if they have to schlep McCoy out there on week 1, or until the bye, or even throughout 2012, so be it.

Now if they don't believe Tanny can be "the guy" then there would be no point in taking him at 4, 6, 22 or even 37. We already have our back-up.

It absolutely would not be irrelevant.  You never draft someone unless you think they can be 'the' guy.  You don't draft a Tannehill light years above where he can probably be taken and you don't draft a Tannehill if his development time is every bit as long as Colt McCoy.   Third round picks can take some developmental time,  1st round picks that you're expecting to replace a 'career backup' within a year or two are an absolute no.

Holy **** I agree. You may want to re-think your posistion on this one!

You might need to re-think yours!

Mayock should be asking me if I want fries with that, not working in analysis!