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Did the Big 12 "blow it?"

Posted: 6/28/2014 10:08 AM

Did the Big 12 "blow it?" 


I still believe that the Big 12 should have added Louisville when they wanted in a couple of years ago.  Both the governor of Kentucky and a U.S. senator from Kentucky vocally supported the move.  Had the Big 12 added Louisville then and BYU now, we could have12 teams and a Big 12 championship game which would help our position in getting into the mix of the four teams chosen for the playoffs.

Louisville has one of the best athletic programs in the U.S. with their football, both men and women basketball, baseball, and softball programs rated annually.  With Louisville and BYU in the Big 12, we would once again have six teams in the northern division (BYU, KSU, KU, ISU, LU, WVU) and six teams in the southern division (OSU, OU, TTU, TCU, BU, TU).
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Posted: 6/28/2014 10:16 AM

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I really do not get the allure of a championship game. Other than the SEC whose games usually pit two highly ranked teams which we must remember they "invented football," mostly championship games are not that great. The 2007 Big 12 with Oklahoma and Missouri game is the only recent Big 12 one that had two top 10 teams. I don not get it.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 10:27 AM

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I really do not get the allure of a championship game. Other than the SEC whose games usually pit two highly ranked teams which we must remember they "invented football," mostly championship games are not that great. The 2007 Big 12 with Oklahoma and Missouri game is the only recent Big 12 one that had two top 10 teams. I don not get it.

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The other beautiful thing about the SEC championship is that you are likely to see two teams play that haven't played against each other in five years.

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Posted: 6/28/2014 10:27 AM

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soonerboomer37 wrote: I still believe that the Big 12 should have added Louisville when they wanted in a couple of years ago.  Both the governor of Kentucky and a U.S. senator from Kentucky vocally supported the move.  Had the Big 12 added Louisville then and BYU now, we could have12 teams and a Big 12 championship game which would help our position in getting into the mix of the four teams chosen for the playoffs.

Louisville has one of the best athletic programs in the U.S. with their football, both men and women basketball, baseball, and softball programs rated annually.  With Louisville and BYU in the Big 12, we would once again have six teams in the northern division (BYU, KSU, KU, ISU, LU, WVU) and six teams in the southern division (OSU, OU, TTU, TCU, BU, TU).
You can thank Baylor, Iowa State,  and Kansas State. They want to keep the pie at 10 pieces
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Posted: 6/28/2014 11:18 AM

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You make a great point.  Why should OU beating say, a K State for maybe the second time in the season, in a conference championship game, be so important to getting into the playoff.  Other than simply "being on TV" at the end of the season, what would such a game prove?

There were few compelling championship game matchups in the Big 12.   
SavannahStateTigersFootball wrote: I really do not get the allure of a championship game. Other than the SEC whose games usually pit two highly ranked teams which we must remember they "invented football," mostly championship games are not that great. The 2007 Big 12 with Oklahoma and Missouri game is the only recent Big 12 one that had two top 10 teams. I don not get it.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 11:39 AM

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I agree 100%,Louisville would have partnered with West Virg. and made traveling easier for them..

I have to feel West Virginia has to feel betrayed...With Louiville and BYU I don't see any of the present 10 loseing Money. and a championship game would add to it.

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Posted: 6/28/2014 11:46 AM

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one word answer : YES.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 12:00 PM

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David Boren wanted Louisville. He and Mitch McConnell are buddies from the Senate. Texas, as I understand it, under Dodds said NO! Boren,not wanting to look like a wall flower, became a potted plant instead. It was a big miss for the Big12-2=10.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 12:53 PM

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uhlesses wrote:
soonerboomer37 wrote: I still believe that the Big 12 should have added Louisville when they wanted in a couple of years ago.  Both the governor of Kentucky and a U.S. senator from Kentucky vocally supported the move.  Had the Big 12 added Louisville then and BYU now, we could have12 teams and a Big 12 championship game which would help our position in getting into the mix of the four teams chosen for the playoffs.

Louisville has one of the best athletic programs in the U.S. with their football, both men and women basketball, baseball, and softball programs rated annually.  With Louisville and BYU in the Big 12, we would once again have six teams in the northern division (BYU, KSU, KU, ISU, LU, WVU) and six teams in the southern division (OSU, OU, TTU, TCU, BU, TU).
You can thank Baylor, Iowa State,  and Kansas State. They want to keep the pie at 10 pieces
Bingo.  Had those three went with Oklahoma & their leadership, then this conference would have UL, along with Fl. State & Clemson.  Miami, Fl. would have been a strong candidate for the fourteenth membership slot.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 1:09 PM

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Didn't West Virginia get in instead of Louisville?  Looking back now it would have made mores sense to bring in both with Cinci.


oufan61 wrote: I agree 100%,Louisville would have partnered with West Virg. and made traveling easier for them..

I have to feel West Virginia has to feel betrayed...With Louiville and BYU I don't see any of the present 10 loseing Money. and a championship game would add to it.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 2:12 PM

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http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/blog/2014/06 /sec-network-leader-alarmed-more-carriers-havent.h tml

SEC Network leader 'alarmed' more carriers haven't signed up to carry channel

The fact that Dish Network is still the only major nationwide carrier to sign on to offer the new SEC Network that goes live Aug. 14 is “alarming” to Justin Connolly, head guru of the station.


As fans start to express angst over the possible stalemate with their television provider, the crowd at the Birmingham Kiwanis Club Tuesday asked Connolly what the network plans to do about getting them broader access to Southeastern Conference games on the new channel. Currently, only Dish Network and AT&T U-Verse have signed up to carry the network, as well as smaller providers Google Fiber and National Rural Telecommunications Cooperatives. Every SEC team will appear on the channel within the first month of the 2014 college football season.


Connolly said they feel good about where they are with getting national exposure, but there's still work to do to sign up Charter, which services much of Birmingham, where viewership would be high. In fact, Birmingham had higher ratings for the BCS National Championship games than they did for the Super Bowl, he said.


“To be honest, it’s alarming (Charter) hasn’t signed up already, but deals often are made closer to launch,” said Connolly, the vice president of college networks for ESPN, which will run the station out of Charlotte, N.C.

Connolly said they are in “active conversations with every major distributor,” and when asked about BrightHouse and Charter specifically - two of Alabama's largest cable operators - he said “back and forth discussions” are underway, but he didn’t want to say too much.

With 51 days until launch, SEC Network’s plan is to push fans to demand their provider carry the network by signing up at GetSECNetwork.com.

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Posted: 6/28/2014 2:27 PM

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Adding TCU, WVU, BYU, and Louisville pales in comparison to the loss of A&M, NU, Mizzou, and CU.

This conference will never be able to regain what they had unless they can get FSU, Miami, and Clemson to jump ship. I'd put the odds of the ACC holding together higher than a Big 12 raid.

But the B1G can do the B12 a huge favor by taking UNC and UVA out of the ACC.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:19 PM

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The wrong team(s) left the Big12. It should have been Texas. I would much rather be in a conference with Neb. and MO. OU did just fine against Texas while in another league,especially when they had the right coach. A&M is now doing what OU did for decades! Recruiting against Texas from another league. It is paying off very well. Makes me sick! Texas needed the Big12 much more than OU needed Texas.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:22 PM

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Gyokie...............truer words were never spoken...............
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:42 PM

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SavannahStateTigersFootball wrote: I really do not get the allure of a championship game.

If it means more football games being played, count me in!  tongue
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:22 PM

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I believe  The TV networks nixed Louisville.    Out side of the Louisville metro area they have very few fans.    They are not a national brand,  still viewed as a Metro school,  therfore they do not turn on many TV sets,  which is what expansion is alll about .

Also, history has proven having a conference championship game has a lot more negatives than positives     Three times the Big12 champ was knocked out of a chance to play in  the National title game and it should have been five times,  except by some miracle OU lost  to KSU and still got in (that would not happen now) and  the officials added  one second to the clock for Texas. If you figure five times, that is being knocked out of the NCG once every three years.   And not one time in the 14 years the conference had a CCG did it boost a team into the National Championship game
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I think that is why Bowlbsy has said  even if they expanded to twelve teams, it does not mean they would have a Conference Championship game.

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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:59 PM

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gyokie wrote: The wrong team(s) left the Big12. It should have been Texas. I would much rather be in a conference with Neb. and MO. OU did just fine against Texas while in another league,especially when they had the right coach. A&M is now doing what OU did for decades! Recruiting against Texas from another league. It is paying off very well. Makes me sick! Texas needed the Big12 much more than OU needed Texas.

"Oklahoma... there's only one OU" (and another season begins!)


 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:59 PM

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Saying we would have Clemson and Florida st is a stretch


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uhlesses wrote:
soonerboomer37 wrote: I still believe that the Big 12 should have added Louisville when they wanted in a couple of years ago.  Both the governor of Kentucky and a U.S. senator from Kentucky vocally supported the move.  Had the Big 12 added Louisville then and BYU now, we could have12 teams and a Big 12 championship game which would help our position in getting into the mix of the four teams chosen for the playoffs.

Louisville has one of the best athletic programs in the U.S. with their football, both men and women basketball, baseball, and softball programs rated annually.  With Louisville and BYU in the Big 12, we would once again have six teams in the northern division (BYU, KSU, KU, ISU, LU, WVU) and six teams in the southern division (OSU, OU, TTU, TCU, BU, TU).
You can thank Baylor, Iowa State,  and Kansas State. They want to keep the pie at 10 pieces
Bingo.  Had those three went with Oklahoma & their leadership, then this conference would have UL, along with Fl. State & Clemson.  Miami, Fl. would have been a strong candidate for the fourteenth membership slot.

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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:10 PM

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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:05 PM

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Few teams in the Big 12 are national brands. The teams added, WVU and TCU aren't nat'l brands either. TCU wasn't needed to capture the Dallas market. I'm guessing adding WVU did create some interest in that part of the country where there was little before, and I'm sure L'Ville would've done the same thing.
Tuloma wrote: I believe  The TV networks nixed Louisville.    Out side of the Louisville metro area they have very few fans.    They are not a national brand,  still viewed as a Metro school,  therfore they do not turn on many TV sets,  which is what expansion is alll about .

Also, history has proven having a conference championship game has a lot more negatives than positives     Three times the Big12 champ was knocked out of a chance to play in  the National title game and it should have been five times,  except by some miracle OU lost  to KSU and still got in (that would not happen now) and  the officials added  one second to the clock for Texas. If you figure five times, that is being knocked out of the NCG once every three years.   And not one time in the 14 years the conference had a CCG did it boost a team into the National Championship game
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I think that is why Bowlbsy has said  even if they expanded to twelve teams, it does not mean they would have a Conference Championship game.
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