ksokie2823 wrote: Call it what you want but the reality is...

OU is doing poorer in Texas recruiting over past 2-3 years than at anytime since the King started dominating TX recruiting in 1970. Our response: we are going national? Yes, we have signed some national recruits but we have missed out on majority of big names that we have spent so much recruiting time on. Meanwhile, slow playing players at that next level that would be excited to play at OU but feel scorned that OU got in on them so late.

In addition to UT, we now have successful programs at A&M, Baylor, Tech, TCU, Houston all negatively recruiting vs OU. Their recruiting comments:
1) "We Are Texas" -- You guys stay at home and play for a Texas college and you will be set for life.
2) Look at all the attrition at OU.Players hate the strength coach and some of position coaches.
3) If u are a DT, don't go to OU. You will be stuck as a 2 gap player because of their 1-LB setup and will never get to be aggressive like a SEC DT who gets upfield and makes plays.
4) If you are a LB like Mastro, don't go to OU. Watch this West Virginia tape and show me where the OU LB's are - YES, they are on the bench. Watch A&M, Baylor, OSU tapes - there is 1 LB on field. Come to our school where we don't give up 400 yds rushing- we stack the box to stop the run.

Love my Sooners. Love those 2 new hires.
Just sayin - slow down the national championship talk. Also, regardless of who is coaching, We still have to figure out : 1) how to run ball effectively 2) how to line up versus the spread teams of the Big 12.

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

Most of us understand that our talent level isn’t going to jump through the roof over night.

But virtually everyone thinks OU football is headed in a much better direction now.

ksokie2823 wrote: Call it what you want but the reality is...

OU is doing poorer in Texas recruiting over past 2-3 years than at anytime since the King started dominating TX recruiting in 1970. Our response: we are going national? Yes, we have signed some national recruits but we have missed out on majority of big names that we have spent so much recruiting time on. Meanwhile, slow playing players at that next level that would be excited to play at OU but feel scorned that OU got in on them so late.

In addition to UT, we now have successful programs at A&M, Baylor, Tech, TCU, Houston all negatively recruiting vs OU. Their recruiting comments:
1) "We Are Texas" -- You guys stay at home and play for a Texas college and you will be set for life.
2) Look at all the attrition at OU.Players hate the strength coach and some of position coaches.
3) If u are a DT, don't go to OU. You will be stuck as a 2 gap player because of their 1-LB setup and will never get to be aggressive like a SEC DT who gets upfield and makes plays.
4) If you are a LB like Mastro, don't go to OU. Watch this West Virginia tape and show me where the OU LB's are - YES, they are on the bench. Watch A&M, Baylor, OSU tapes - there is 1 LB on field. Come to our school where we don't give up 400 yds rushing- we stack the box to stop the run.

Love my Sooners. Love those 2 new hires.
Just sayin - slow down the national championship talk. Also, regardless of who is coaching, We still have to figure out : 1) how to run ball effectively 2) how to line up versus the spread teams of the Big 12.

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

eddyjizza wrote: I can only find a few players from Texas with OU offers that ended up at TCU, UH, BU, OSU or Tech

Raquaan Davis BU- OU offered after he committed to BU
Andrew Billings BU- from Waco, was always going to be UT or BU
Ra'shaad Samples OSU- they beat a lot of people on him
Devin Lauderdale Tech- OU backed off at the end and he did not have a committable offer

4 players, not one from TCU or UH and I would argue Davis is the only one OU did not find a comparable player to and in the case of Billings OU land a higher rated player at the position in Texas.

spaceman wrote:

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

+ 1

Thank you! The HC finally got the message. Now that Bobby has been artfully painted into a corner, he needs to produce results. His Big 12 WAC babble will become rubbish when the four-team playoff begins in 2014. Ticktock.

ksokie2823 wrote: Call it what you want but the reality is...

OU is doing poorer in Texas recruiting over past 2-3 years than at anytime since the King started dominating TX recruiting in 1970. Our response: we are going national? Yes, we have signed some national recruits but we have missed out on majority of big names that we have spent so much recruiting time on. Meanwhile, slow playing players at that next level that would be excited to play at OU but feel scorned that OU got in on them so late.

In addition to UT, we now have successful programs at A&M, Baylor, Tech, TCU, Houston all negatively recruiting vs OU. Their recruiting comments:
1) "We Are Texas" -- You guys stay at home and play for a Texas college and you will be set for life.
2) Look at all the attrition at OU.Players hate the strength coach and some of position coaches.
3) If u are a DT, don't go to OU. You will be stuck as a 2 gap player because of their 1-LB setup and will never get to be aggressive like a SEC DT who gets upfield and makes plays.
4) If you are a LB like Mastro, don't go to OU. Watch this West Virginia tape and show me where the OU LB's are - YES, they are on the bench. Watch A&M, Baylor, OSU tapes - there is 1 LB on field. Come to our school where we don't give up 400 yds rushing- we stack the box to stop the run.

Love my Sooners. Love those 2 new hires.
Just sayin - slow down the national championship talk. Also, regardless of who is coaching, We still have to figure out : 1) how to run ball effectively 2) how to line up versus the spread teams of the Big 12.

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

eddyjizza wrote: I didn't get that one either. We are a zone team, that isn't changing and it would be dumb to do so. There are plenty of zone teams in the NFL. I am pretty sure Shanahan's zone running game turned some no name rookie into the second leading rusher in the league last year behind AD. The idea that zone isn't tough or "big boy football" is myopic.

eddyjizza wrote: I didn't get that one either. We are a zone team, that isn't changing and it would be dumb to do so. There are plenty of zone teams in the NFL. I am pretty sure Shanahan's zone running game turned some no name rookie into the second leading rusher in the league last year behind AD. The idea that zone isn't tough or "big boy football" is myopic.

BootleggersBoy wrote:

spaceman wrote:

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

+ 1

Thank you! The HC finally got the message. Now that Bobby has been artfully painted into a corner, he needs to produce results. His Big 12 WAC babble will become rubbish when the four-team playoff begins in 2014. Ticktock.

Thank God we have you and your perpetual optimisim to guide Bob and the rest of us through these trying time.

Trying times? Thank you! lol You have been paying attention. I understand how you and your fellow SSPs feel about accountability. Everybody should be graded on a bell curve. As long as everyone is giving their best effort, the results are meaningless.

For the purpose of appeasing you and your fellow SSPs, I will give Bobby a B for shaking up his coaching staff. If he has the spine to relegate Josh back down to the sideline and if he replaces Sergeant Carter I will consider giving Bobby a higher grade for trying. 

ksokie2823 wrote: Call it what you want but the reality is...

OU is doing poorer in Texas recruiting over past 2-3 years than at anytime since the King started dominating TX recruiting in 1970. Our response: we are going national? Yes, we have signed some national recruits but we have missed out on majority of big names that we have spent so much recruiting time on. Meanwhile, slow playing players at that next level that would be excited to play at OU but feel scorned that OU got in on them so late.

In addition to UT, we now have successful programs at A&M, Baylor, Tech, TCU, Houston all negatively recruiting vs OU. Their recruiting comments:
1) "We Are Texas" -- You guys stay at home and play for a Texas college and you will be set for life.
2) Look at all the attrition at OU.Players hate the strength coach and some of position coaches.
3) If u are a DT, don't go to OU. You will be stuck as a 2 gap player because of their 1-LB setup and will never get to be aggressive like a SEC DT who gets upfield and makes plays.
4) If you are a LB like Mastro, don't go to OU. Watch this West Virginia tape and show me where the OU LB's are - YES, they are on the bench. Watch A&M, Baylor, OSU tapes - there is 1 LB on field. Come to our school where we don't give up 400 yds rushing- we stack the box to stop the run.

Love my Sooners. Love those 2 new hires.
Just sayin - slow down the national championship talk. Also, regardless of who is coaching, We still have to figure out : 1) how to run ball effectively 2) how to line up versus the spread teams of the Big 12.

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

ksokie2823 wrote: Call it what you want but the reality is...

OU is doing poorer in Texas recruiting over past 2-3 years than at anytime since the King started dominating TX recruiting in 1970. Our response: we are going national? Yes, we have signed some national recruits but we have missed out on majority of big names that we have spent so much recruiting time on. Meanwhile, slow playing players at that next level that would be excited to play at OU but feel scorned that OU got in on them so late.

In addition to UT, we now have successful programs at A&M, Baylor, Tech, TCU, Houston all negatively recruiting vs OU. Their recruiting comments:
1) "We Are Texas" -- You guys stay at home and play for a Texas college and you will be set for life.
2) Look at all the attrition at OU.Players hate the strength coach and some of position coaches.
3) If u are a DT, don't go to OU. You will be stuck as a 2 gap player because of their 1-LB setup and will never get to be aggressive like a SEC DT who gets upfield and makes plays.
4) If you are a LB like Mastro, don't go to OU. Watch this West Virginia tape and show me where the OU LB's are - YES, they are on the bench. Watch A&M, Baylor, OSU tapes - there is 1 LB on field. Come to our school where we don't give up 400 yds rushing- we stack the box to stop the run.

Love my Sooners. Love those 2 new hires.
Just sayin - slow down the national championship talk. Also, regardless of who is coaching, We still have to figure out : 1) how to run ball effectively 2) how to line up versus the spread teams of the Big 12.

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

BootleggersBoy wrote:

spaceman wrote:

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

+ 1

Thank you! The HC finally got the message. Now that Bobby has been artfully painted into a corner, he needs to produce results. His Big 12 WAC babble will become rubbish when the four-team playoff begins in 2014. Ticktock.

Thank God we have you and your perpetual optimisim to guide Bob and the rest of us through these trying time.

Trying times? Thank you! lol You have been paying attention. I understand how you and your fellow SSPs feel about accountability. Everybody should be graded on a bell curve. As long as everyone is giving their best effort, the results are meaningless.

For the purpose of appeasing you and your fellow SSPs, I will give Bobby a B for shaking up his coaching staff. If he has the spine to relegate Josh back down to the sideline and if he replaces Sergeant Carter I will consider giving Bobby a higher grade for trying. 



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ksokie2823 wrote: some of u are hilarious. u ***** n whine on here about how sorry a coach Venables was, hailed Mike as 2nd coming of the lord, now it's Shipps fault, now his replacement is gonna turn it around, give Mike a few more years to get his "kind" of player in (Simon was hailed as one of his type), ...

Gets old - get back to recruiting Texas and we can turn it around to the level OU fans expect.

Some of you sunshine pumpers need to go back and re-read some of your posts after the A&M game and get off your high horse.

Again, I m excited as hell about the 2 hires. Just saying that Patton n Shipp were not our problems.
Offensive play calling and defensive schematics kept us from beating ND and KSU and getting embarassed by a&M
Our defensive schematics kept us from getting in on LB and DT

BootleggersBoy wrote:
don't flatter yourself, I was being facetious

my only concern is the reasonableness, or more specifically the unreasonable expectations laid on this teams performance. History of shown pretty consistently every team has its ups and every team has it down.

I expect to be in the National Title hunt every single year.

But I'm also realistic enough to recognize that that is not realistic.

maybe your man crush in Alabama is doing it correctly, and who knows maybe he will have sustained success over a long. Of time like we have enjoyed the last 13 to 14 years. But, I doubt it.
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BootleggersBoy wrote:

spaceman wrote:

My question- will Bedenbaugh have enough input to change the blocking schemes necessary to run big boy FB? Will Montgomery have any input in fixing those inept schemes we used last year?

+ 1

Thank you! The HC finally got the message. Now that Bobby has been artfully painted into a corner, he needs to produce results. His Big 12 WAC babble will become rubbish when the four-team playoff begins in 2014. Ticktock.

Thank God we have you and your perpetual optimisim to guide Bob and the rest of us through these trying time.

  

Trying times? Thank you! lol You have been paying attention. I understand how you and your fellow SSPs feel about accountability. Everybody should be graded on a bell curve. As long as everyone is giving their best effort, the results are meaningless.

For the purpose of appeasing you and your fellow SSPs, I will give Bobby a B for shaking up his coaching staff. If he has the spine to relegate Josh back down to the sideline and if he replaces Sergeant Carter I will consider giving Bobby a higher grade for trying. 



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smh Unreasonable? Are you serious? You predicted 13 points and 17 points. You got a C+ for trying. lol 

Under Bobby's watch Sooner Football has deteriorated to the OSU/Baylor/Tech level. Because Bobby has laid so many eggs on national television, the OU brand has been tarnished. IMO, that is why former Sooner players started lashing out in public. In hindsight, aTm did Oklahoma a favor by embarrassing the Sooners in the Cotton Bowl.