Tuloma wrote:
I still think Scott the PAC12 commish, may try work a deal with Big 12 schools since the LHN has basically failed.

I could see him inviting OU, OSU, UT, Tech, KU and KSU. That would be 18 teams, two 9 team divisons and might negate the GOR. I think he has indicated he would like to have KU basketball.

He really has no other options for expansion.

Tuloma wrote:
I still think Scott the PAC12 commish, may try work a deal with Big 12 schools since the LHN has basically failed.

I could see him inviting OU, OSU, UT, Tech, KU and KSU. That would be 18 teams, two 9 team divisons and might negate the GOR. I think he has indicated he would like to have KU basketball.

He really has no other options for expansion.

Irish73 wrote: I think the next big lawsuit will be ND and some other schools against the 4 super conferences. Four conferences can't deny other schools access to the Division 1 college national championship. It violates every antitrust law on the books. Mark it down. It will make the present lawsuits seem small in comparison.

Irish73 wrote: I think the next big lawsuit will be ND and some other schools against the 4 super conferences. Four conferences can't deny other schools access to the Division 1 college national championship. It violates every antitrust law on the books. Mark it down. It will make the present lawsuits seem small in comparison.

jhawkmvp wrote: Conference networks use T2 and T3 games. The PAC uses all their T2 and T3 on their network. The B1G's BTN is a 51/49 partnership with FOX and shows a combo of T2 and T3 games. Some T2 is shown on Fox some on BTN. The SEC is talking to ESPN about partnering on a network so they can get some T2 back and are trying to buy back T3 from the entities that their universities sold them too. The ACC is in bad shape since they sold everything T1-T3 to ESPN. There might be an ACC network, but ESPN would reap all the profits. An ACC network will not be saving the ACC.

jhawkmvp wrote: Conference networks use T2 and T3 games. The PAC uses all their T2 and T3 on their network. The B1G's BTN is a 51/49 partnership with FOX and shows a combo of T2 and T3 games. Some T2 is shown on Fox some on BTN. The SEC is talking to ESPN about partnering on a network so they can get some T2 back and are trying to buy back T3 from the entities that their universities sold them too. The ACC is in bad shape since they sold everything T1-T3 to ESPN. There might be an ACC network, but ESPN would reap all the profits. An ACC network will not be saving the ACC.

jhawkmvp wrote:

Irish73 wrote: I think the next big lawsuit will be ND and some other schools against the 4 super conferences. Four conferences can't deny other schools access to the Division 1 college national championship. It violates every antitrust law on the books. Mark it down. It will make the present lawsuits seem small in comparison.

How? ND was just in the championship. If it is ever only just 4 super conferences then they will have broken away and formed their own athletic association and ND would have no reason to complain they have been offered a spot in those conferences multiple times.

It may just be wishful thinking, but having the Big 12 pick up teams from the ACC would give the conference a major east coast presence.  Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, Virginia, NC and NC State (for example) could be teamed with West Virginia and likely TCU could join the Big 12 East, and we have a 16 team conference ... with a strong television presence in the Midwest and the East Coast.

I do not like joining the Pac 12.  With an east Coast tie up, we would play most of our games during the day, or prime-time.  With a West Coast tieup, we would play most of our games at night ... and mostly the late games (prime-time on the West Coast).  I hate getting home from games at 1:30 in the morning.  I would really hate getting home at 3:30 am.

Boilerbuilder wrote:

jhawkmvp wrote:

Irish73 wrote: I think the next big lawsuit will be ND and some other schools against the 4 super conferences. Four conferences can't deny other schools access to the Division 1 college national championship. It violates every antitrust law on the books. Mark it down. It will make the present lawsuits seem small in comparison.

How? ND was just in the championship. If it is ever only just 4 super conferences then they will have broken away and formed their own athletic association and ND would have no reason to complain they have been offered a spot in those conferences multiple times.

That's exactly right. If ND could not gain access to any of the four superconferences, the Irish would then have a valid antitrust complaint. Of course we all know they can pretty much pick witch conference they wish to join but they opt not to do so. ND would get laughed out of court.

However, I think schools like BYU, Boise State or Houston could make a reasonably solid antitrust argument.

BootleggersBoy wrote: As i watch you talk bad about schools on one board, only to return to that schools board and pretend that you don't; I am sure to ue ever engaing in a conversation, but you need to study the Sherman Act and the NCAA as a voluntary organization.

12233 wrote:

jhawkmvp wrote: Conference networks use T2 and T3 games. The PAC uses all their T2 and T3 on their network. The B1G's BTN is a 51/49 partnership with FOX and shows a combo of T2 and T3 games. Some T2 is shown on Fox some on BTN. The SEC is talking to ESPN about partnering on a network so they can get some T2 back and are trying to buy back T3 from the entities that their universities sold them too. The ACC is in bad shape since they sold everything T1-T3 to ESPN. There might be an ACC network, but ESPN would reap all the profits. An ACC network will not be saving the ACC.

I did some checking and you are right about the ACC. My prediction that the ACC will save itself by forming a TV network will not happen. Good thing I didn't put any money on it.

BootleggersBoy wrote: As i watch you talk bad about schools on one board, only to return to that schools board and pretend that you don't; I am sure to ue ever engaing in a conversation, but you need to study the Sherman Act and the NCAA as a voluntary organization.

WhiskyKilo wrote:

soonerBAS wrote: what I see happening is the Big12 picking up a couple of lesser teams, everyone talks of Clemson and FSU, for some reason I think that's a dream that won't happen.  the Big12 just isn't that attractive at the moment, the big boy's in this will look to join one of the other two power conferences.... if they fail to get in they might consider the Big12 as a last option. 

that's what I think will happen, 2 teams that everyone will go yuck when they hear it, two teams that will cause travel problems... but it will allow Dodd's and Boren to thump their chest and say see what we did... back to 12 and can have 2 divisions and a conference championship game.

I don't know about the contracts, I mention the Pac only because it would make sense.  You would get rid of WV someway, wrap up a tv market from the Mississippi to the Pacific, it couldn't hurt recruiting to be apart of a conference that covered a wide area, by contrast you would have the Big10 and SEC in an all out war in a compacted area east of the Mississippi.

there's a lot of reason's it wouldn't work, and Texas being at the top, plus to do it would take some creative thinking and risk taking... Dodd's - Boren aren't exactly known for creative thinking and being risk takers.

12233 wrote:

soonerBAS wrote: what I think would be best for everyone instead of trying to use glue and duct tape to put together a conference would be for both the ACC and the Big 12 to each voted to end their conferences, just disband.  Everyone becomes a fee agent or put together the best 16 team conference possible from the 2.

right now people say one will fail and one will survive with the ACC the expected failure, but with the SEC and Big10 picking off the top even in survival I fear we may not be thrilled with what we end up with.  just end it and start over.

that won't happen, so I see us either fearing having our knee caps busted from Deloss's strong arm tactics and backing down and staying at 10, or picking up a couple leftovers that doesn't thrill anyone just to get to the number 12.

unless... the PAC12 throws us a life preserver in an effort to expand their tv market, they either take enough Big12 teams in that those teams can kill the Big12 and end all the contracts and buyouts or they work a deal with the entire conference, some sort've merger between the two.

I don't see how a merger with the PAC-12 can happen. It's the old problem with LHN. Texas no longer owns the rights to their own tier 3 sports. Those rights went to ESPN when ESPN bought LHN. In other words, Texas has no way to participate in the PAC-12 Network, and I seriously doubt the PAC would allow a school to join the conference without being a full fledged member of the network. If they allow Texas to make their own deal, the other PAC schools could demand the same option. I guess it's possible the PAC could take the other nine Big 12 schools, but does the PAC really want 21 members? I doubt it.

Clemson and FSU don't exactly have a lot of options.  The PAC 12 is too far away, the B1G certainly won't take them, and I doubt that the SEC wants them, not because they are bad programs, but because of where they are located.  The SEC already has FL and SC, why do they need to double up in areas that they already have?  Taking teams from NC and VA, 2 populous states, will make more money in the long run.

Bottom line:  The Big 12 is likely the ONLY option Clemson and FSU have.  They both probably don't even like the idea of going to the Big 12, but like I stated, they have no options, imo.

drmouse wrote: I think FSU gets picked up by either the big 10 or sec.  I think sec because the sec saw what another conference in a state can do.. A&M in texas opened texas to the sec.   the sec won't want the big 10 in the florida market.  big 12 is a distant 3rd choice for FSU.