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Conference realignment update
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:05 PM
Conference realignment update
For those curious: www.mrsec.com/2013/02/ncaa-won...ainst-maryland/Multiple sources have told MrSEC.com that Virginia and Georgia Tech have had conversations with the Big Ten, but all parties involved were waiting to see the outcome of the ACC/Maryland battle before deciding to wed. There have been other reports that the Big Ten has had contact with North Carolina and Duke as well. @insidemdsportsBig 10 talk buzzing again. #UVA being mentioned often as likely to join. Georgia Tech still in the mix. #UNC, the big domino, has an offer. The Maryland site that broke Maryland to the Big Ten Jeff Ermann @insidemdsports UNC? Real life, I believe. RT@NYTerp1413 is it a real offer or just a school on the accepted list... Jeff Ermann @insidemdsports I'm speaking out of turn, but I'd say the Big 10 likely views GT and UVA as 8s ... And UNC as Kate Upton. Heels are the apocalyptic domino. Jeff Ermann @insidemdsports Not sure. But it's churning. RT@mjotwits Anyone else reporting these schools possibly joining Big 10? Big 10 kept things quiet with MD & Rutgers |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:11 PM
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Kind of has me worried, if the the B1G invites UVA, UNC and GT who is number 18. Would they look the other way on FSU's academics shortcomings (in their eyes not mine) and invite them. If so the Big 12 has lost its prize.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:12 PM
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KU? tensenshi wrote: Kind of has me worried, if the the B1G invites UVA, UNC and GT who is number 18. Would they look the other way on FSU's academics shortcomings (in their eyes not mine) and invite them. If so the Big 12 has lost its prize. |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:15 PM
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I hope not. If we lose them we are in a world of hurt. I don't think they would challenge the GOR. bmrsnr wrote: KU?
tensenshi wrote: Kind of has me worried, if the the B1G invites UVA, UNC and GT who is number 18. Would they look the other way on FSU's academics shortcomings (in their eyes not mine) and invite them. If so the Big 12 has lost its prize.
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
Abraham Lincoln
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:17 PM
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--- tensenshi wrote:
Kind of has me worried, if the the B1G invites UVA, UNC and GT who is number 18. Would they look the other way on FSU's academics shortcomings (in their eyes not mine) and invite them. If so the Big 12 has lost its prize.
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If they get UVA & UNC, they will stop there. The SEC would grab Va-Tech & Duke & stop @ 16. That would leave the Big 12 to swoop in & grab Fl. State, Clemson, Miami, Ga. Tech, Louisiville & one of either Pitt, Rutgers, UCONN, etc. I could see Pitt being #16.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:32 PM
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Maryland board says UVA and UNC will join the B1G in April... http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...&t=11301333 |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:32 PM
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When does the Maryland/ACC thing get settled? Is there a court date?
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Posted: 2/19/2013 2:42 PM
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Orion wrote: When does the Maryland/ACC thing get settled? Is there a court date? Bear in mind there are two lawsuits here. The ACC is suing MD for $52 million in a NC court and MD is counter-suing the ACC for $157 million in an MD court. MD must lose both for the ACC to come out on top. |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 3:21 PM
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I figure under normal circumstances these lawsuits would probably already be settled for a reasonable dollar amount. The fact that this "exit fee" outcome could very well destroy the ACC, Swofford will probably fight this until the very end. I don't think any conference or university want to go through a discovery process, everyone has too many secrets, but Swofford has probably said f*** it. This could get nasty unless other universities flat out say we are out regardless of the lawsuit outcome. Boilerbuilder wrote:
Orion wrote: When does the Maryland/ACC thing get settled? Is there a court date?
Bear in mind there are two lawsuits here. The ACC is suing MD for $52 million in a NC court and MD is counter-suing the ACC for $157 million in an MD court. MD must lose both for the ACC to come out on top.
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:05 PM
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If the B1G asked KU to join, they would break a leg getting out of the B12 so fast. All this and the B12 is still sitting on their hands. All this talk about a scheduling deal with the ACC and the ACC is losing teams. What a conference eh? |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:17 PM
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Don't think the Big 12 has a choice. ACC schools want Big10 or SEC offer first. Not coming to Big12 unless those options are off the table. We are negotiating from a position of weakness relative to the SEC and Big10
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If the B1G asked KU to join, they would break a leg getting out of the B12 so fast. All this and the B12 is still sitting on their hands. All this talk about a scheduling deal with the ACC and the ACC is losing teams. What a conference eh?
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Posted: 2/19/2013 4:59 PM
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Whoa there pardner. Did DeLoss give his approval? mcs40 wrote:
Don't think the Big 12 has a choice. ACC schools want Big10 or SEC offer first. Not coming to Big12 unless those options are off the table. We are negotiating from a position of weakness relative to the SEC and Big10
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--- logisticsoul wrote:
If the B1G asked KU to join, they would break a leg getting out of the B12 so fast. All this and the B12 is still sitting on their hands. All this talk about a scheduling deal with the ACC and the ACC is losing teams. What a conference eh?
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Posted: 2/19/2013 5:02 PM
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Boilerbuilder wrote: Maryland board says UVA and UNC will join the B1G in April...
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...&t=11301333 Yeah, the Maryland board is probably a good source of information on UVA and UNC. The UVA and UNC boards ridicule the idea of them leaving "their conference". Their alumni would revolt if their admins did such a stupid thing, and both of those alumni bodies give multiples more in annual donations than any increase they could get in television money.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 5:10 PM
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LesMiserables wrote:
Boilerbuilder wrote: Maryland board says UVA and UNC will join the B1G in April...
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...&t=11301333 Yeah, the Maryland board is probably a good source of information on UVA and UNC.
The UVA and UNC boards ridicule the idea of them leaving "their conference". Their alumni would revolt if their admins did such a stupid thing, and both of those alumni bodies give multiples more in annual donations than any increase they could get in television money. When they start coming out of the woodwork with their panties up in a wad, something's in the wind. |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 5:11 PM
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logisticsoul wrote: If the B1G asked KU to join, they would break a leg getting out of the B12 so fast. All this and the B12 is still sitting on their hands. All this talk about a scheduling deal with the ACC and the ACC is losing teams. What a conference eh? KU is locked into the Big 12 by the grant of rights agreement. No conference is going to take KU, or any other school, if they can't bring along the TV rights to their home games. It would cost KU about $250 million to leave the Big 12, not including exit fees. Ain't gonna happen.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 6:14 PM
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12233 wrote:
logisticsoul wrote:If the B1G asked KU to join, they would break a leg getting out of the B12 so fast. All this and the B12 is still sitting on their hands. All this talk about a scheduling deal with the ACC and the ACC is losing teams. What a conference eh? KU is locked into the Big 12 by the grant of rights agreement. No conference is going to take KU, or any other school, if they can't bring along the TV rights to their home games. It would cost KU about $250 million to leave the Big 12, not including exit fees. Ain't gonna happen. Interesting. Quite a poison pill to swallow. |
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Posted: 2/19/2013 6:25 PM
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I fear the expansion train has left the station, and the Big 12 was left on the platform without a ticket. We should not have asked for directions from the Texas AD.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 7:00 PM
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blueskyfly wrote:
12233 wrote:
logisticsoul wrote: If the B1G asked KU to join, they would break a leg getting out of the B12 so fast. All this and the B12 is still sitting on their hands. All this talk about a scheduling deal with the ACC and the ACC is losing teams. What a conference eh? KU is locked into the Big 12 by the grant of rights agreement. No conference is going to take KU, or any other school, if they can't bring along the TV rights to their home games. It would cost KU about $250 million to leave the Big 12, not including exit fees. Ain't gonna happen.
Interesting. Quite a poison pill to swallow. You bet it is. Blue, there is another reason The Big 10 won't invite KU, or any Big 12 school, to join. The Big 10 has a very similar grant of rights agreement with their own members. If they offer an invitation to a Big 12 school and that school is somehow able to break their grant of rights contract, it will have a negative effect on the entire grant of rights concept, thus weakening the Big 10's hold on their own members.
Senior Historian. OU GARAGE NETWORK
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:26 PM
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In the end, if the melt down continues, I just don't see the Big 12 pulling in from the ACC. Somehow, it just seems more likely for the Pac and Big 12 to collaborate. All the ACC just keep getting pulled in, and the PAC seems more logical a response to the race for the super conference standings.
just my opinion.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 9:44 PM
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Yes, everyone is waiting on Maryland, I agree.
What I don't know at this time, and I don't think anybody else really knows either, is which teams from the ACC will/may move to the B1G/Big12/SEC.
Here are some widely discussed assumptions that I believe in:
1) I still think there is a slim possibility of the ACC staying intact for the most part, but I do believe that Clemson and FSU are gone as soon as they can possibly get out. I'm sort of leaning in the direction of the ACC losing most of their members, and then it would be up to them to cherry pick remaining members from lesser conferences in order to stay alive. Big East, Conf USA, etc. teams would likely jump at the chance to move to the ACC.
2) I will be surprised if the B1G or SEC expand beyond 16, at least for now. If either goes above 16, that really, really changes the landscape.
3) The B1G will absolutely not accept any non AAU member (with the exception of Notre Dame, but that is moot anyway, because they will stay independent). It is really hard to say right now out of UVA, UNC, Duke, and GTech who they will take. Does UVA want to move? Some think no. Does UNC/Duke want to separate? Some think no. GT would certainly accept a B1G invite. If I had to guess, the B1G's top 2 choices would be UNC and UVA.
4) The SEC could take VTech and NCState and be done, but if the B1G passes on UNC or UVA, maybe the SEC would attempt an upgrade? I also do not think FSU and Clemson is an option for the SEC because they want to expand markets, not add teams to existing ones.
5) The Big 12, if they expand (no given there), logically would take FSU and Clemson. I think the Big 12 has a real chance here to grab even more leftover ACC teams that the B1G and SEC do not want, and create a 16 team league equal to what the SEC and B1G have. Will they actually do this? I sometimes wonder about the sanity of the Big 12: is a short term money grab really worth sacrificing the future viability of this conference?
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