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--- WhiskyKilo wrote:

ZachGivens wrote: I think having so much trouble with it may have had to do with the unfamiliarity of facing it. Think about Navy vs. Ohio State three or four seasons ago. I think Ricky Dobbs was Navy's QB and they hung with Ohio State until a failed two-point conversion was returned by Ohio State, if my memory is correct. Also take into account South Carolina vs. Navy in which Navy gung tough against another defense filled with superior talent. Even Alabama had trouble with an FCS school (think it was Georgia Southern) and their triple option attack a couple of seasons ago and Alabama won the national championship.


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--- WhiskyKilo wrote:

AFSooner02 wrote: I saw them play in ft worth that year vs usafa. Absolutely destroyed them and made the option look outdated and worthless. That speed was just killer despite not being as big as some teams. The lbs and DBS rarely missed tackles and once the usafa player was hit, he was down. It was then that I realized that Patterson can coach and adding tcu to the big12 was a good idea.

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--- BootleggersBoy wrote:

AFSooner02 wrote: That defense they had in 2010 was just sick.

Go back and look at the defensive statistic for the past ten years.  The only team you find that is as or more consistentoly one of the top ranked defensive teams is TCU. 

People can throw the 'inferior competition' stuff at me but they were all on the same playing field. 

Patterson can flat out coach.

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TCU has usually always eaten up AFA's option.  The only recent game I can remember AFA being competitive in was in near blizzard conditions in Col Springs a few years ago.

Which is funny, because the one time OU faced AFA, they couldn't stop it at all.  BV was freakin' clueless.

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I can buy that somewhat, but then I look at the first time Patterson and TCU faced it:

2005 TCU beat AFA 48-10, the same year Patterson beat OU.

We need to be honest with ourselves, the OU defense hasn't been right since 2009, and even that year, they had their bad moments.

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I agree with you. Generally, TCU plays very disciplined defense under Patterson. They've been fundamentally sound for awhile now without superior talent, though their talent is better than some may believe.

They teach split secondary and then the fronts separately. I read an article about it. Its interesting and makes it easier for them to teach, easier for the players to learn, allows them to play younger players and of course with split coverage you can confuse the QB. I mean obviously you can do that without having split coverage in practice but they can do it quickly and easily. In other words they can be fairly complex without all the hands waving in the air.

BleedingCrimson4Life wrote:

Bob appears to be trying to turn things around and has ordered his DC and OC to make changes in staff.  I hope he is willing to slap Mike up side his head if he rolls out that dumpster fire 4-0-7 or 4-1-6 as a base defense in any game.

Yes, that "defense" needs to stay in the playbook as the example of how to never line up again.  I know Mike is a better coach than that.  That defense was an ungodly mess.

**** it lets poach tcu's d coord.



ig they are so deadly we need what they have working for us.

Dont think CDBumpas would ever leave CGPatterson.

owenbennie wrote: **** it lets poach tcu's d coord.



ig they are so deadly we need what they have working for us.

BleedingCrimson4Life wrote:

unosooner wrote: We'll get better at defense,believe me the coaches saw what we saw.

I "saw" it in the WVU game.  It started in the KSU game and then the ND game.  Wheels fell off in the WVU game.  Problem is that they ran the same piss poor defense for the remainder of the year.  If they saw it, they did not show much in the way of caring that the defense was piss poor.

I am not sure if I have seen a more poor defense, ever.  WVU = Fail, Baylor = Fail, TCU = avg, OSU = Fail, A&M = Are you freaking kidding me?  You are going to run the same defense that has been a massive fail for 3 of the 4 games.  Really?  The same defense, but this time it is against the heisman trophy winner that has weapons around him?

No doubt some changes needed to be made, but the Stoops brothers needed some time looking in the mirror as well.

Bob appears to be trying to turn things around and has ordered his DC and OC to make changes in staff.  I hope he is willing to slap Mike up side his head if he rolls out that dumpster fire 4-0-7 or 4-1-6 as a base defense in any game.

That's my point.I don't know how we could get worse.We will get better.Probably not so much this year,but we will get better.We'll probably have to rely on our offense again this year.But I have confidence that we will get better on defense.

unosooner wrote:

BleedingCrimson4Life wrote:

unosooner wrote: We'll get better at defense,believe me the coaches saw what we saw.

I "saw" it in the WVU game.  It started in the KSU game and then the ND game.  Wheels fell off in the WVU game.  Problem is that they ran the same piss poor defense for the remainder of the year.  If they saw it, they did not show much in the way of caring that the defense was piss poor.

I am not sure if I have seen a more poor defense, ever.  WVU = Fail, Baylor = Fail, TCU = avg, OSU = Fail, A&M = Are you freaking kidding me?  You are going to run the same defense that has been a massive fail for 3 of the 4 games.  Really?  The same defense, but this time it is against the heisman trophy winner that has weapons around him?

No doubt some changes needed to be made, but the Stoops brothers needed some time looking in the mirror as well.

Bob appears to be trying to turn things around and has ordered his DC and OC to make changes in staff.  I hope he is willing to slap Mike up side his head if he rolls out that dumpster fire 4-0-7 or 4-1-6 as a base defense in any game.

That's my point.I don't know how we could get worse.We will get better.Probably not so much this year,but we will get better.We'll probably have to rely on our offense again this year.But I have confidence that we will get better on defense.

I am not holding my breath on getting better.  Lost lot of guys and our depth is horrible right now, without seeing how it plays out.  Not running the 4-0-7 or 4-1-6 would be a good start to getting better though.