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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:25 AM
If TCU can do it...
Why can't we? TCU fielded an incredibly young team in their first year in the Big 12 and finished 16th in total defense (we finished 64th). Below was last seasons TCU defensive starting lineup (4-2-5):
DE - Stansley Maponga (Jr.)
DT - Jon Lewis (true sophmore - 3 star unranked DT)
NT - Davion Pierson (freshman - 3 star from OKC)
DE - Devonte Fields (true freshman)
CB - Jason Verrett (Jr.)
S - Sam Carter (soph. - former HS qb)
LB - Joel Hasley (soph.)
LB - Kenny Cain (Sr.)
S - Chris Hackett (freshman)
CB - Kevin White (sophmore)
S - Elisha Olabode (Jr.)
Last edited 2/18/2013 12:26 AM by rebelreal
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:37 AM
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We'll get better at defense,believe me the coaches saw what we saw.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:38 AM
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Then why did we beat then in their house? Stats are not always indicative of how games play out.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:41 AM
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That defense they had in 2010 was just sick.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 7:23 AM
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rebelreal wrote: Why can't we? TCU fielded an incredibly young team in their first year in the Big 12 and finished 16th in total defense (we finished 64th). Below was last seasons TCU defensive starting lineup (4-2-5):
DE - Stansley Maponga (Jr.)
DT - Jon Lewis (true sophmore - 3 star unranked DT)
NT - Davion Pierson (freshman - 3 star from OKC)
DE - Devonte Fields (true freshman)
CB - Jason Verrett (Jr.)
S - Sam Carter (soph. - former HS qb)
LB - Joel Hasley (soph.)
LB - Kenny Cain (Sr.)
S - Chris Hackett (freshman)
CB - Kevin White (sophmore)
S - Elisha Olabode (Jr.) My first thought is this. They have a base defense that they have stuck with for years. They have recruited for that base defense year after year. They have the correct puzzle pieces for the puzzle. We have barely run the same defense for more than 3 games over the past few seasons and our recruiting has been all over the place. About the only consistent has been DBs with DEs behind them. DTs and LBs, we all know about that. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 7:32 AM
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unosooner wrote: We'll get better at defense,believe me the coaches saw what we saw. I "saw" it in the WVU game. It started in the KSU game and then the ND game. Wheels fell off in the WVU game. Problem is that they ran the same piss poor defense for the remainder of the year. If they saw it, they did not show much in the way of caring that the defense was piss poor. I am not sure if I have seen a more poor defense, ever. WVU = Fail, Baylor = Fail, TCU = avg, OSU = Fail, A&M = Are you freaking kidding me? You are going to run the same defense that has been a massive fail for 3 of the 4 games. Really? The same defense, but this time it is against the heisman trophy winner that has weapons around him?  No doubt some changes needed to be made, but the Stoops brothers needed some time looking in the mirror as well. Bob appears to be trying to turn things around and has ordered his DC and OC to make changes in staff. I hope he is willing to slap Mike up side his head if he rolls out that dumpster fire 4-0-7 or 4-1-6 as a base defense in any game. 
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Posted: 2/18/2013 7:57 AM
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AFSooner02 wrote: That defense they had in 2010 was just sick. Go back and look at the defensive statistic for the past ten years. The only team you find that is as or more consistentoly one of the top ranked defensive teams is TCU. People can throw the 'inferior competition' stuff at me but they were all on the same playing field. Patterson can flat out coach. You might be bigger, faster and stronger - but you will not out work me - ZRA
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Posted: 2/18/2013 8:57 AM
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I agree with everything in this post. --------------------------------------------- --- BleedingCrimson4Life wrote: unosooner wrote: We'll get better at defense,believe me the coaches saw what we saw. I "saw" it in the WVU game. It started in the KSU game and then the ND game. Wheels fell off in the WVU game. Problem is that they ran the same piss poor defense for the remainder of the year. If they saw it, they did not show much in the way of caring that the defense was piss poor. I am not sure if I have seen a more poor defense, ever. WVU = Fail, Baylor = Fail, TCU = avg, OSU = Fail, A&M = Are you freaking kidding me? You are going to run the same defense that has been a massive fail for 3 of the 4 games. Really? The same defense, but this time it is against the heisman trophy winner that has weapons around him? No doubt some changes needed to be made, but the Stoops brothers needed some time looking in the mirror as well. Bob appears to be trying to turn things around and has ordered his DC and OC to make changes in staff. I hope he is willing to slap Mike up side his head if he rolls out that dumpster fire 4-0-7 or 4-1-6 as a base defense in any game. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:22 AM
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rebelreal wrote: Why can't we? TCU fielded an incredibly young team in their first year in the Big 12 and finished 16th in total defense (we finished 64th). Below was last seasons TCU defensive starting lineup (4-2-5):
DE - Stansley Maponga (Jr.)
DT - Jon Lewis (true sophmore - 3 star unranked DT)
NT - Davion Pierson (freshman - 3 star from OKC)
DE - Devonte Fields (true freshman)
CB - Jason Verrett (Jr.)
S - Sam Carter (soph. - former HS qb)
LB - Joel Hasley (soph.)
LB - Kenny Cain (Sr.)
S - Chris Hackett (freshman)
CB - Kevin White (sophmore)
S - Elisha Olabode (Jr.) Patterson can coach it. Stoops never has. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:27 AM
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Really enjoy how they play, especially in their bowl game against Michigan State . Confident, tackled well, and played fast.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 9:33 AM
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I saw them play in ft worth that year vs usafa. Absolutely destroyed them and made the option look outdated and worthless. That speed was just killer despite not being as big as some teams. The lbs and DBS rarely missed tackles and once the usafa player was hit, he was down. It was then that I realized that Patterson can coach and adding tcu to the big12 was a good idea. --------------------------------------------- --- BootleggersBoy wrote: AFSooner02 wrote: That defense they had in 2010 was just sick. Go back and look at the defensive statistic for the past ten years. The only team you find that is as or more consistentoly one of the top ranked defensive teams is TCU. People can throw the 'inferior competition' stuff at me but they were all on the same playing field. Patterson can flat out coach. --------------------------------------------- active duty USAF pilot
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:38 AM
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EagleGrowl3 wrote:
Patterson can coach it. Stoops never has. It? What's "it"? A defense? I wasn't specifically referring to a 4-2-5. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:52 AM
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rebelreal wrote:
EagleGrowl3 wrote:
Patterson can coach it. Stoops never has. It? What's "it"? A defense? I wasn't specifically referring to a 4-2-5. Oh, though you were talking about the scheme. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:04 AM
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The interesting part is that for the most part not that many of TCU players were that highly recruited.
For several years they have done an extremely good job of identifying, evaluating, signing, and then developing players that few big name programs wanted. Perhaps Stoops should look to hire sombody on the TCU coaching staff? At OU all it takes is the right leadership to put the championship recipe together. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 11:11 AM
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No doubt. They had a RS freshman at NT who was listed as a 2 star recruit from Oklahoma by scout and a true freshman at DEnd. And we had a line full of highly recruited senior dlinemen last year. When CGPatterson gets the Texas job its gonna be a sight to see. OU48A1 wrote:The interesting part is that for the most part not that many of TCU players were that highly recruited.
For several years they have done an extremely good job of identifying, evaluating, signing, and then developing players that few big name programs wanted. Perhaps Stoops should look to hire sombody on the TCU coaching staff? |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:26 PM
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AFSooner02 wrote: I saw them play in ft worth that year vs usafa. Absolutely destroyed them and made the option look outdated and worthless. That speed was just killer despite not being as big as some teams. The lbs and DBS rarely missed tackles and once the usafa player was hit, he was down. It was then that I realized that Patterson can coach and adding tcu to the big12 was a good idea.
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--- BootleggersBoy wrote:
AFSooner02 wrote: That defense they had in 2010 was just sick.
Go back and look at the defensive statistic for the past ten years. The only team you find that is as or more consistentoly one of the top ranked defensive teams is TCU.
People can throw the 'inferior competition' stuff at me but they were all on the same playing field.
Patterson can flat out coach.
--------------------------------------------- TCU has usually always eaten up AFA's option. The only recent game I can remember AFA being competitive in was in near blizzard conditions in Col Springs a few years ago. Which is funny, because the one time OU faced AFA, they couldn't stop it at all. BV was freakin' clueless.
Last edited 2/18/2013 5:27 PM by WhiskyKilo
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:28 PM
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WhiskyKilo wrote:
AFSooner02 wrote: I saw them play in ft worth that year vs usafa. Absolutely destroyed them and made the option look outdated and worthless. That speed was just killer despite not being as big as some teams. The lbs and DBS rarely missed tackles and once the usafa player was hit, he was down. It was then that I realized that Patterson can coach and adding tcu to the big12 was a good idea.
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--- BootleggersBoy wrote:
AFSooner02 wrote: That defense they had in 2010 was just sick.
Go back and look at the defensive statistic for the past ten years. The only team you find that is as or more consistentoly one of the top ranked defensive teams is TCU.
People can throw the 'inferior competition' stuff at me but they were all on the same playing field.
Patterson can flat out coach.
--------------------------------------------- TCU has usually always eaten up AFA's option. The only recent game I can remember AFA being competitive in was in near blizzard conditions in Col Springs a few years ago. Yeah, OU tried to copy TCU's (4-2-5) defense for the 2010 Air Force game. Didn't work as well. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:35 PM
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EagleGrowl3 wrote:
WhiskyKilo wrote:
AFSooner02 wrote: I saw them play in ft worth that year vs usafa. Absolutely destroyed them and made the option look outdated and worthless. That speed was just killer despite not being as big as some teams. The lbs and DBS rarely missed tackles and once the usafa player was hit, he was down. It was then that I realized that Patterson can coach and adding tcu to the big12 was a good idea.
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--- BootleggersBoy wrote:
AFSooner02 wrote: That defense they had in 2010 was just sick.
Go back and look at the defensive statistic for the past ten years. The only team you find that is as or more consistentoly one of the top ranked defensive teams is TCU.
People can throw the 'inferior competition' stuff at me but they were all on the same playing field.
Patterson can flat out coach.
--------------------------------------------- TCU has usually always eaten up AFA's option. The only recent game I can remember AFA being competitive in was in near blizzard conditions in Col Springs a few years ago. Yeah, OU tried to copy TCU's (4-2-5) defense for the 2010 Air Force game. Didn't work as well. If my memory serves, they held out Ronnell Lewis a lot for that game, saying he was not ready to face that type of offense. Hindsight is 20/20, but that was an idiotic decision. IMO, you need superior athletes on the field when dealing with AFA, and RL was certainly that. |
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:41 PM
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I think having so much trouble with it may have had to do with the unfamiliarity of facing it. Think about Navy vs. Ohio State three or four seasons ago. I think Ricky Dobbs was Navy's QB and they hung with Ohio State until a failed two-point conversion was returned by Ohio State, if my memory is correct. Also take into account South Carolina vs. Navy in which Navy hung tough against another defense filled with superior talent. Even Alabama had trouble with an FCS school (think it was Georgia Southern) and their triple option attack a couple of seasons ago and Alabama won the national championship. --------------------------------------------- --- WhiskyKilo wrote: AFSooner02 wrote: I saw them play in ft worth that year vs usafa. Absolutely destroyed them and made the option look outdated and worthless. That speed was just killer despite not being as big as some teams. The lbs and DBS rarely missed tackles and once the usafa player was hit, he was down. It was then that I realized that Patterson can coach and adding tcu to the big12 was a good idea.
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--- BootleggersBoy wrote:
AFSooner02 wrote: That defense they had in 2010 was just sick.
Go back and look at the defensive statistic for the past ten years. The only team you find that is as or more consistentoly one of the top ranked defensive teams is TCU.
People can throw the 'inferior competition' stuff at me but they were all on the same playing field.
Patterson can flat out coach.
--------------------------------------------- TCU has usually always eaten up AFA's option. The only recent game I can remember AFA being competitive in was in near blizzard conditions in Col Springs a few years ago. Which is funny, because the one time OU faced AFA, they couldn't stop it at all. BV was freakin' clueless. ---------------------------------------------
"Vice President in charge of Media Statistics and Related Research." OU Garage Network
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Posted: 2/18/2013 5:46 PM
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ZachGivens wrote: I think having so much trouble with it may have had to do with the unfamiliarity of facing it. Think about Navy vs. Ohio State three or four seasons ago. I think Ricky Dobbs was Navy's QB and they hung with Ohio State until a failed two-point conversion was returned by Ohio State, if my memory is correct. Also take into account South Carolina vs. Navy in which Navy gung tough against another defense filled with superior talent. Even Alabama had trouble with an FCS school (think it was Georgia Southern) and their triple option attack a couple of seasons ago and Alabama won the national championship.
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--- WhiskyKilo wrote:
AFSooner02 wrote: I saw them play in ft worth that year vs usafa. Absolutely destroyed them and made the option look outdated and worthless. That speed was just killer despite not being as big as some teams. The lbs and DBS rarely missed tackles and once the usafa player was hit, he was down. It was then that I realized that Patterson can coach and adding tcu to the big12 was a good idea.
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--- BootleggersBoy wrote:
AFSooner02 wrote: That defense they had in 2010 was just sick.
Go back and look at the defensive statistic for the past ten years. The only team you find that is as or more consistentoly one of the top ranked defensive teams is TCU.
People can throw the 'inferior competition' stuff at me but they were all on the same playing field.
Patterson can flat out coach.
--------------------------------------------- TCU has usually always eaten up AFA's option. The only recent game I can remember AFA being competitive in was in near blizzard conditions in Col Springs a few years ago.
Which is funny, because the one time OU faced AFA, they couldn't stop it at all. BV was freakin' clueless.
--------------------------------------------- I can buy that somewhat, but then I look at the first time Patterson and TCU faced it: 2005 TCU beat AFA 48-10, the same year Patterson beat OU. We need to be honest with ourselves, the OU defense hasn't been right since 2009, and even that year, they had their bad moments. |
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