NYHorsePig wrote:

spaceman wrote:

BootleggersBoy wrote:

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ZachGivens wrote:Berry Tramel: "Those close to the program say both coaches and players grew frustrated at Kittle's lack of coaching acumen."

"When Stoops' critics say he's gotten complacent and soft, the best evidence is Bruce Kittle."

"The natives are restless, and I don't mean the Chickasha plumber or the Shawnee druggist or the Oklahoma City writer. I mean influential boosters and donors and decision-makers, who still are loyal to Stoops but want to know why he's not winning like the Sooners did not so long ago. Which is why the guillotine was sharpened."

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Stoops is doing what you want. What will satisfy you?

Unlike you, I refuse to give Bobby an A for trying. When he puts a legitimate contender on the field again I will give him credit. 

No you wont. Considering that you're not even an OU fan why would you?
If OU should happen to win another NC you'd probably sit home and cry and pray for a gloomier day.

  Love it!!!

BleedingCrimson4Life wrote: Rumor is the Patton took over the entire OL mid season last year.  If Kittle was solid, why did Patton take over coaching the OTs?

This is what makes message boards nothing more than guessing games at times. Hard to give a strong opinion on the matter w/o facts.

Nice one Pig, never been a more true statement about Spacegirl. Thrives on gloom only, very quiet when things are going well.

"If OU should happen to win another NC you'd probably sit home and cry and pray for a gloomier day."

No you wont. Considering that you're not even an OU fan why would you?
If OU should happen to win another NC you'd probably sit home and cry and pray for a gloomier day. 

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  Love it!!!

12233 wrote:

EagleGrowl3 wrote: Tramel's guess. He no longer has sources. The staff will barely talk to him.

LMAO!!! You won't buy Trammel's story because you were Kittle's biggest defender on the board. Every time I posted something negative about Bob hiring Kittle, you jumped in to tell me how wrong I was, and how Kittle was the best position coach on the staff. It looks like you couldn't have been more wrong.

It doesn't matter whether Trammel got information from his sources or made up the whole story just for kicks. The fact is, Bob Stoops told us all we need to know about the coaching ability of Bruce Kittle. Apparently Kittle was so incompetent, even a head coach who was one of his best friends had to fire him.

Firing Kittle had to be terribly difficult for Stoops. It's not easy to fire a close friend, especially when the hire was extremely questionable to start with. Bob took a chance when he hired Kittle, because, like I said, over and over, Kittle had absolutely no experience as a position coach at the college level. It turned out to be a bad decision and Bob was forced to admit it was a mistake and correct it. Not easy for Bob on any level.

I take no solace in a man losing his job, but I've taken the heat on this board for two years, much of it from you, for my opposition to the hire. Based on Bob's decision to fire Kittle, it would appear I was right from day one. Bob not only fired Kittle, he didn't even make an attempt to call it a resignation...he just canned him outright. Tough, tough decision for Bob Stoops, but one he obviously felt he had to make.

Dude ... Valium.  Counseling.  Maybe both.  The man's gone, just like you wanted.  Your world is all fresh and new.  So chill the 'bleep' out.

When Kittle was hired, it raised a lot of eyebrows in the Sooner Nation and beyond. 

To create a second Offensive Line Coaching position to hire a college teammate and friend, who up until that time had been a Minister and a assistant High school coach, is not the type of pedigree that gets hired at a place like OU.

If Kittle was a great recruiter, then maybe it would have made up for some coaching deficiencies, but apparently he was below average at both.

Bob has a tendency to stay within his close circle of friends or former OU players in hiring assistants.  Beating the bushes to find the best possible replacements is the formula for success I would think.

LVokie wrote:

12233 wrote:

EagleGrowl3 wrote: Tramel's guess. He no longer has sources. The staff will barely talk to him.

LMAO!!! You won't buy Trammel's story because you were Kittle's biggest defender on the board. Every time I posted something negative about Bob hiring Kittle, you jumped in to tell me how wrong I was, and how Kittle was the best position coach on the staff. It looks like you couldn't have been more wrong.

It doesn't matter whether Trammel got information from his sources or made up the whole story just for kicks. The fact is, Bob Stoops told us all we need to know about the coaching ability of Bruce Kittle. Apparently Kittle was so incompetent, even a head coach who was one of his best friends had to fire him.

Firing Kittle had to be terribly difficult for Stoops. It's not easy to fire a close friend, especially when the hire was extremely questionable to start with. Bob took a chance when he hired Kittle, because, like I said, over and over, Kittle had absolutely no experience as a position coach at the college level. It turned out to be a bad decision and Bob was forced to admit it was a mistake and correct it. Not easy for Bob on any level.

I take no solace in a man losing his job, but I've taken the heat on this board for two years, much of it from you, for my opposition to the hire. Based on Bob's decision to fire Kittle, it would appear I was right from day one. Bob not only fired Kittle, he didn't even make an attempt to call it a resignation...he just canned him outright. Tough, tough decision for Bob Stoops, but one he obviously felt he had to make.

Dude ... Valium.  Counseling.  Maybe both.  The man's gone, just like you wanted.  Your world is all fresh and new.  So chill the 'bleep' out.

I'll give your advice serious consideration. But you could have just said, "You were right." Would have been kinda nice.

You guys/gals ***** about everyone and everything.

champions77 wrote: When Kittle was hired, it raised a lot of eyebrows in the Sooner Nation and beyond. 

To create a second Offensive Line Coaching position to hire a college teammate and friend, who up until that time had been a Minister and a assistant High school coach, is not the type of pedigree that gets hired at a place like OU.

If Kittle was a great recruiter, then maybe it would have made up for some coaching deficiencies, but apparently he was below average at both.

Bob has a tendency to stay within his close circle of friends or former OU players in hiring assistants.  Beating the bushes to find the best possible replacements is the formula for success I would think.

Define success.

shrh7827 wrote: You guys/gals ***** about everyone and everything.

And here you are ***** about them.

shrh7827 wrote: You guys/gals ***** about everyone and everything.

isn't that what message boards are for?

champions77 wrote: 

To create a second Offensive Line Coaching position to hire a college teammate and friend, who up until that time had been a Minister and a assistant High school coach, is not the type of pedigree that gets hired at a place like OU.

If you don't have a GA who was an OL, I agree with having 2 OL coaches. 15+ guys are too many for one man to coach.

12233 wrote:

LVokie wrote:

12233 wrote:

EagleGrowl3 wrote: Tramel's guess. He no longer has sources. The staff will barely talk to him.

LMAO!!! You won't buy Trammel's story because you were Kittle's biggest defender on the board. Every time I posted something negative about Bob hiring Kittle, you jumped in to tell me how wrong I was, and how Kittle was the best position coach on the staff. It looks like you couldn't have been more wrong.

It doesn't matter whether Trammel got information from his sources or made up the whole story just for kicks. The fact is, Bob Stoops told us all we need to know about the coaching ability of Bruce Kittle. Apparently Kittle was so incompetent, even a head coach who was one of his best friends had to fire him.

Firing Kittle had to be terribly difficult for Stoops. It's not easy to fire a close friend, especially when the hire was extremely questionable to start with. Bob took a chance when he hired Kittle, because, like I said, over and over, Kittle had absolutely no experience as a position coach at the college level. It turned out to be a bad decision and Bob was forced to admit it was a mistake and correct it. Not easy for Bob on any level.

I take no solace in a man losing his job, but I've taken the heat on this board for two years, much of it from you, for my opposition to the hire. Based on Bob's decision to fire Kittle, it would appear I was right from day one. Bob not only fired Kittle, he didn't even make an attempt to call it a resignation...he just canned him outright. Tough, tough decision for Bob Stoops, but one he obviously felt he had to make.

Dude ... Valium.  Counseling.  Maybe both.  The man's gone, just like you wanted.  Your world is all fresh and new.  So chill the 'bleep' out.

I'll give your advice serious consideration. But you could have just said, "You were right." Would have been kinda nice.

I never said you were wrong in the first place.  Hackles down; it'll make it that much easier to pat yourself on the back.

LVokie wrote:

12233 wrote:

LVokie wrote:

12233 wrote:

EagleGrowl3 wrote: Tramel's guess. He no longer has sources. The staff will barely talk to him.

LMAO!!! You won't buy Trammel's story because you were Kittle's biggest defender on the board. Every time I posted something negative about Bob hiring Kittle, you jumped in to tell me how wrong I was, and how Kittle was the best position coach on the staff. It looks like you couldn't have been more wrong.

It doesn't matter whether Trammel got information from his sources or made up the whole story just for kicks. The fact is, Bob Stoops told us all we need to know about the coaching ability of Bruce Kittle. Apparently Kittle was so incompetent, even a head coach who was one of his best friends had to fire him.

Firing Kittle had to be terribly difficult for Stoops. It's not easy to fire a close friend, especially when the hire was extremely questionable to start with. Bob took a chance when he hired Kittle, because, like I said, over and over, Kittle had absolutely no experience as a position coach at the college level. It turned out to be a bad decision and Bob was forced to admit it was a mistake and correct it. Not easy for Bob on any level.

I take no solace in a man losing his job, but I've taken the heat on this board for two years, much of it from you, for my opposition to the hire. Based on Bob's decision to fire Kittle, it would appear I was right from day one. Bob not only fired Kittle, he didn't even make an attempt to call it a resignation...he just canned him outright. Tough, tough decision for Bob Stoops, but one he obviously felt he had to make.

Dude ... Valium.  Counseling.  Maybe both.  The man's gone, just like you wanted.  Your world is all fresh and new.  So chill the 'bleep' out.

I'll give your advice serious consideration. But you could have just said, "You were right." Would have been kinda nice.

I never said you were wrong in the first place.  Hackles down; it'll make it that much easier to pat yourself on the back.

With all the criticism, cussing out and just general heat I took for two years, maybe I'm entitled to a pat on the back. Please don't talk to me about hackles. You are the one who started this with your comments about Vallium and counseling. I have always treated you with respect on this board and only ask the same in return. I have no problem with anyone who wants to disagree with me, but we are both Sooners and should be able to disagree without snide remarks and personal attacks. At least, that's the way I see it.

EagleGrowl3 wrote:

champions77 wrote: 

To create a second Offensive Line Coaching position to hire a college teammate and friend, who up until that time had been a Minister and a assistant High school coach, is not the type of pedigree that gets hired at a place like OU.

If you don't have a GA who was an OL, I agree with having 2 OL coaches. 15+ guys are too many for one man to coach.

Eagle, didn't you post not long ago that about 20% of college teams have 2 O-Line coaches. I assume that means 80% have only one. I have no idea how many schools have GA's who played O-Line, but I can tell you for sure that not one of the teams that has played for the NC in the last 10 years currently has more than one O-Line coach.

Prior to the hiring of Kittle, Bob only saw the need for one O-Line coach, and now that Kittle is gone, apparently we are magically back to needing only one. It seems fairly clear to me that Bob created a second O-Line coaching position for no purpose other than hiring his buddy.

Zone blocking teams its probably not a good idea to split up the O-linemen imo.

Only major college I know that has two OL coaches is Stanford, at least in 2012. I think every service academy has one. I actually went onto the sites of every FBS program last season (think there was 124) and found that about 10 or 11 FBS programs had two OL coaches.

Of the teams that finished in the top 25 last year, only two, OU and Stanford had
More than one O-Line coach.

No offense Numbers, but you were the one who started this by injecting yourself into his comment about Tramel.  Just because he mentions Tramel doesnt mean he was talking bad about you, but that appears to be how you took it.  And it does seem kind of strange that a Mod. interjects themselves into conversations the way you do.

12233 wrote:

LVokie wrote:

12233 wrote:

LVokie wrote:

12233 wrote:

EagleGrowl3 wrote: Tramel's guess. He no longer has sources. The staff will barely talk to him.

LMAO!!! You won't buy Trammel's story because you were Kittle's biggest defender on the board. Every time I posted something negative about Bob hiring Kittle, you jumped in to tell me how wrong I was, and how Kittle was the best position coach on the staff. It looks like you couldn't have been more wrong.

It doesn't matter whether Trammel got information from his sources or made up the whole story just for kicks. The fact is, Bob Stoops told us all we need to know about the coaching ability of Bruce Kittle. Apparently Kittle was so incompetent, even a head coach who was one of his best friends had to fire him.

Firing Kittle had to be terribly difficult for Stoops. It's not easy to fire a close friend, especially when the hire was extremely questionable to start with. Bob took a chance when he hired Kittle, because, like I said, over and over, Kittle had absolutely no experience as a position coach at the college level. It turned out to be a bad decision and Bob was forced to admit it was a mistake and correct it. Not easy for Bob on any level.

I take no solace in a man losing his job, but I've taken the heat on this board for two years, much of it from you, for my opposition to the hire. Based on Bob's decision to fire Kittle, it would appear I was right from day one. Bob not only fired Kittle, he didn't even make an attempt to call it a resignation...he just canned him outright. Tough, tough decision for Bob Stoops, but one he obviously felt he had to make.

Dude ... Valium.  Counseling.  Maybe both.  The man's gone, just like you wanted.  Your world is all fresh and new.  So chill the 'bleep' out.

I'll give your advice serious consideration. But you could have just said, "You were right." Would have been kinda nice.

I never said you were wrong in the first place.  Hackles down; it'll make it that much easier to pat yourself on the back.

With all the criticism, cussing out and just general heat I took for two years, maybe I'm entitled to a pat on the back. Please don't talk to me about hackles. You are the one who started this with your comments about Vallium and counseling. I have always treated you with respect on this board and only ask the same in return. I have no problem with anyone who wants to disagree with me, but we are both Sooners and should be able to disagree without snide remarks and personal attacks. At least, that's the way I see it.

I am not sure how anyone could say Kittle was not a bad hire from the start.  This is the University of Oklahoma, not some D-II school in Montana. Bruce Kittle was a joke of a hire.