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Coaches and players grew frustrated at Bruce Kittle
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:18 PM
Coaches and players grew frustrated at Bruce Kittle
Berry Tramel: "Those close to the program say both coaches and players grew frustrated at Kittle's lack of coaching acumen." 
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:28 PM
RE: Coaches and players grew frustrated at Bruce Kittle
Tramel's guess. He no longer has sources. The staff will barely talk to him.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:50 PM
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Funny, because Donald Stephenson, Lane Johnson and James Hanna all said they liked him. Trammel is guessing just like his pal Dean Blevins. Our program is notoriously tight-lipped about that kind of thing. Especially to the lead sports writer for the Oklahoman.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:50 PM
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EagleGrowl3 wrote: Tramel's guess. He no longer has sources. The staff will barely talk to him. What staff? Not disagreeing with you, but Tramel built his own problems with some of his sarcastic columns and questions at pressers. Maybe Tramel's sources are the same as Al's and Deanos. |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 5:52 PM
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Posted: 2/17/2013 6:13 PM
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ZachGivens wrote:Berry Tramel: "Those close to the program say both coaches and players grew frustrated at Kittle's lack of coaching acumen." "When Stoops' critics say he's gotten complacent and soft, the best evidence is Bruce Kittle.""The natives are restless, and I don't mean the Chickasha plumber or the Shawnee druggist or the Oklahoma City writer. I mean influential boosters and donors and decision-makers, who still are loyal to Stoops but want to know why he's not winning like the Sooners did not so long ago. Which is why the guillotine was sharpened."
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Posted: 2/17/2013 7:31 PM
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A good reporter ask tough questions and isn't afraid of fire. A bad reporter (like someone of, we all know) is ready to put on knee pads to please the coaches.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 7:49 PM
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SoonerSuperStorm wrote: A good reporter ask tough questions and isn't afraid of fire. A bad reporter (like someone of, we all know) is ready to put on knee pads to please the coaches. Are you suggesting that Tramel needs to step up and start asking the tough questions at pressers? |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 7:52 PM
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EagleGrowl3 wrote:
SoonerSuperStorm wrote: A good reporter ask tough questions and isn't afraid of fire. A bad reporter (like someone of, we all know) is ready to put on knee pads to please the coaches. Are you suggesting that Tramel needs to step up and start asking the tough questions at pressers? I thought that maybe he did, from the inferences of other posters. I have not heard an OU presser in years..........and years............................................. .and years. So, I don't know who does what. (except the guy with the knee pads) |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 7:57 PM
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I don't see how you guys in OK can take it. I remember in the day the Oklahoman sports page was the best I saw anywhere and especially with regards to OU football. Now everything I read posted by local sportswriters is moronic drivel. Ask tough questions? He's an idiot. What difference is there between a tough and an easy stupid question? I give Stoops props for his patience with them. I would love to have the fools at the papers there have to deal with Billy Tubbs or Bob Knight.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:06 PM
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thirdgensooner wrote: I don't see how you guys in OK can take it. I remember in the day the Oklahoman sports page was the best I saw anywhere and especially with regards to OU football. There is Oklahoma media right now who has turned on OU football...I know for a fact that some OU fans have stopped giving those media outlets their money (or with WWLS) their ears. Has it been enough to hurt them???...who knows...it will continue if OU fans continue to let it...I have done my part.. |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:20 PM
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On the Kittle issue Berry Tramel is not guessing, not even close! Kittle rubed a lot people the wrong way. For that reason alone it’s good that he is gone. At OU all it takes is the right leadership to put the championship recipe together.
Last edited 2/17/2013 9:25 PM by OU48A1
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:10 PM
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Tramel also said Kittle was probably fired because of the lack of public appeal due to his lack of experience: "if he was going to fire Shipp and Payton, had to fire Kittle".
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:39 PM
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"joining Willie Martinez and Brent Venables from the purge of last winter."
"Purge" implies that BV was fired or forced out.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:43 PM
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He was as he should have been. He was most of the time a terrible defensive coach (LB) and even worst coordinator.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:46 PM
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Venables forced out? Really?
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:47 PM
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Crimson46 wrote: Tramel also said Kittle was probably fired because of the lack of public appeal due to his lack of experience: "if he was going to fire Shipp and Payton, had to fire Kittle". Payton = Patton? I agree with that though. If you are going to get rid of Patton, justification for keeping Kittle would have been hard. |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:56 PM
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--- OU48A1 wrote:
On the Kittle issue Berry Tramel is not guessing, not even close!
Kittle rubed a lot people the wrong way.
For that reason alone it’s good that he is gone.
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What kind of things did he do that rubbed people the wrong way? Was it coaching stuff? Religious beliefs? Just curious.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:11 PM
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He was not forced out, he was offered a raise to stay. Being demoted to co- and the possibility of losing cred was why he left. The last year he was here the FSU game was a masterpiece for BV, IMO he had trouble adjusting on the fly and if he had the wrong set to start the game he had to wait till halftime to get it right. I thought it best to move on but he had his moments. I also remenber the last year under BV that our DB's were confused a lot. Martinez was fired. okjody wrote: He was as he should have been. He was most of the time a terrible defensive coach (LB) and even worst coordinator. |
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:22 PM
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EagleGrowl3 wrote: Tramel's guess. He no longer has sources. The staff will barely talk to him. LMAO!!! You won't buy Trammel's story because you were Kittle's biggest defender on the board. Every time I posted something negative about Bob hiring Kittle, you jumped in to tell me how wrong I was, and how Kittle was the best position coach on the staff. It looks like you couldn't have been more wrong. It doesn't matter whether Trammel got information from his sources or made up the whole story just for kicks. The fact is, Bob Stoops told us all we need to know about the coaching ability of Bruce Kittle. Apparently Kittle was so incompetent, even a head coach who was one of his best friends had to fire him. Firing Kittle had to be terribly difficult for Stoops. It's not easy to fire a close friend, especially when the hire was extremely questionable to start with. Bob took a chance when he hired Kittle, because, like I said, over and over, Kittle had absolutely no experience as a position coach at the college level. It turned out to be a bad decision and Bob was forced to admit it was a mistake and correct it. Not easy for Bob on any level. I take no solace in a man losing his job, but I've taken the heat on this board for two years, much of it from you, for my opposition to the hire. Based on Bob's decision to fire Kittle, it would appear I was right from day one. Bob not only fired Kittle, he didn't even make an attempt to call it a resignation...he just canned him outright. Tough, tough decision for Bob Stoops, but one he obviously felt he had to make.
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