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Big Ten Football Won't Play FCS Teams
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Posted: 2/16/2013 3:01 AM
Big Ten Football Won't Play FCS Teams
Big Ten Football Won't Play FCS TeamsNEXT VIDEO  Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez says Big Ten officials recently agreed to stop scheduling nonconference games against FCS programs. "The nonconference schedule in our league is ridiculous," Alvarez said on WIBA-AM in Madison, Wis. "It's not very appealing ... "So we've made an agreement that our future games will all be Division I schools. It will not be FCS schools." Alvarez didn't say when the agreement would take effect. Wisconsin has one FCS team on its schedule in 2013, a Sept. 7 meeting against Tennessee Tech. A source told ESPN.com's Adam Rittenberg the ban could start in 2016, with several FCS games already on the books for 2014 and 2015. But it could be a gradual move with some schools stopping now and some stopping later, the source said. Teams from FCS, formally known as I-AA, have become common nonconference opponents for FBS teams because they will accept a relatively big payday without asking for a game on their campus. Generally, they provide little more than a tuneup for the teams from college football's highest level -- with some notable exceptions such as Appalachian State winning at Michigan in 2007. Most of those matchups, though, don't do much to generate excitement for fans or TV networks. And the lackluster games might prove to hurt a teams' chances of getting picked to play in college football's four-team playoffs that will start in 2014 -- when Maryland and Rutgers likely join the conference. That's why the Big Ten is looking to beef up football schedules, with nine or 10 conference games and tougher nonconference opponents. "The coaches and ADs met this week and the ADs will continue to meet in the coming months to prepare a proposal for the council of presidents/chancellors to consider in June," Big Ten spokesman Scott Chipman wrote in an email Wednesday. "So, the process continues." Illinois sports information director Kent Brown said the football-related topics also included reviewing the conference's divisional alignment. "It's kind of a re-engineering of Big Ten football," Brown said. "But there was no decisions made on any of those things. Really, it'll have to be taken to the presidents and chancellors of the Big Ten in June before anything could be finalized.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:13 AM
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yes they should stop. it looks bad when you lose to them 
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:30 AM
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IMO, this decision has nothing to do with the B1G coaches or Athletic Directors wanting to play better competition. I would bet money it's a direct result of intense pressure from the Big Ten Network. BTN was getting stuck with broadcasting lousy match ups with FCS (Division II) schools, because ABC, ESPN and CBS refused to pick up a lot of those games. It had to be hurting BTN audience ratings as well as income from advertisers. Fox owns 51% of BTN and I bet they demanded that the B1G eliminate the games with FCS schools. The B1G will spin it like they've done this for their fans.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:39 AM
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Agreed to certain extent numbers, but the playoff committee also will take scheduling into account. Combined with even former B1G commentators on ESPN literally laughing about how pitiful it's been for the conference, it only further damages the brand & respect for conference. They don't like getting embarrassed on Gameday either.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:54 AM
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Good stuff.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:59 AM
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12233 wrote: IMO, this decision has nothing to do with the B1G coaches or Athletic Directors wanting to play better competition. I would bet money it's a direct result of intense pressure from the Big Ten Network. BTN was getting stuck with broadcasting lousy match ups with FCS (Division II) schools, because ABC, ESPN and CBS refused to pick up a lot of those games. It had to be hurting BTN audience ratings as well as income from advertisers. Fox owns 51% of BTN and I bet they demanded that the B1G eliminate the games with FCS schools. The B1G will spin it like they've done this for their fans. Got to believe you are spot on with that thought. Follow the money is always a pretty fair practice. In this case, lack of money to follow.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:00 AM
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had not thought of that12233 wrote: IMO, this decision has nothing to do with the B1G coaches or Athletic Directors wanting to play better competition. I would bet money it's a direct result of intense pressure from the Big Ten Network. BTN was getting stuck with broadcasting lousy match ups with FCS (Division II) schools, because ABC, ESPN and CBS refused to pick up a lot of those games. It had to be hurting BTN audience ratings as well as income from advertisers. Fox owns 51% of BTN and I bet they demanded that the B1G eliminate the games with FCS schools. The B1G will spin it like they've done this for their fans.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:25 AM
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OUknowitscomin wrote: Agreed to certain extent numbers, but the playoff committee also will take scheduling into account. Combined with even former B1G commentators on ESPN literally laughing about how pitiful it's been for the conference, it only further damages the brand & respect for conference. They don't like getting embarrassed on Gameday either. Hopefully strength of schedule will be a major factor in determining which four teams make the playoffs. However, we actually have no idea how much emphasis will be placed on SOS. We don't even know how many people will be on the committee, or who they are. In the past, SOS really hasn't meant much at all. The SEC also plays a bunch of pansies in nonconference games and you don't see them talking about playing a tougher schedule. BTN is a cash cow for the B1G, and the more money the network pumps into the schools, the more influence it will have. Now that OU has their programming agreement with Fox, you will see Fox force Stoops to do some things differently. I think it has already been determined that OU's spring game will be televised. Bob has been adamant about not wanting that game on TV, but he will have no choice. There will also be pressure on him, his coaches and players to do more interviews, coaches' shows, etc., all the stuff Bob hates to do. Them that pays the money gets what they want. At least, that's how I see it.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:52 AM
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football has changed a lot recently and the trend is accelerating. those who don't keep up will fall behind and rapidly fall behind imo. big 12 the clock is ticking.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 12:11 PM
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Oh good, so now they'll schedule 3 sun belt teams
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Posted: 2/17/2013 7:33 PM
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Yeah all those spareass FCS's taking tosu to the limit yearly is kind of humiliating
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:08 PM
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I do not care why they made this decision, I like it. But they should say no patsies at all. No Akrons, Tulanes, South Alabama's, or WAC period.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:43 PM
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This is an absolute stupid decision and the reason why is that they have just lumped all of the FCS teams together, when in fact they are very different. I've posted on here before about North Dakota State, I lived up there for awhile, so I got to see their program firsthand. They are 6-3 all time against FBS teams. They beat the MAC champion one year by 30 points on the road. NDSU has a 2-1 record vs. Minnesota and now they are not good enough to play them? Also, the lack of fan interest sited as a reason for stopping FCS games does not apply in this situation. In 2007, the NDSU game was the highest attended game for a home game at Minnesota. The Bison defeated the Gophers 27–21 in front of 63,088, the most people to attend a Gopher game to that point in the season. The Gophers were dominated in every facet of the game, by a team with 22 fewer scholarship players and none with scholarship offers by Minnesota. The game was considered a low point for the program as a whole. NDSU rushed for 394 yards and totaled 585 yards with an edge in time of possession of nearly 14 minutes. Bison running back Tyler Roehl had a school-record 263 yards on 22 carries with one touchdown. The defeat put the Gophers at 1–7 and official out of contention for a bowl game bid. The victory extended NDSU's winning streak to 11-games, then the longest in all of football.I agree that most of FCS should not be playing FBS. But there are teams in FCS that can compete, and should be able to compete, with the big boys.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:54 PM
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Posted: 2/17/2013 8:56 PM
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I think I would put Minnesota on the patsy list, if you were in another conference. BleedingCrimson4Life wrote:Minnesota is a big boy?
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:13 PM
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WhiskyKilo wrote: This is an absolute stupid decision and the reason why is that they have just lumped all of the FCS teams together, when in fact they are very different.
I've posted on here before about North Dakota State, I lived up there for awhile, so I got to see their program firsthand. They are 6-3 all time against FBS teams. They beat the MAC champion one year by 30 points on the road.
NDSU has a 2-1 record vs. Minnesota and now they are not good enough to play them?
Also, the lack of fan interest sited as a reason for stopping FCS games does not apply in this situation. In 2007, the NDSU game was the highest attended game for a home game at Minnesota.
The Bison defeated the Gophers 27–21 in front of 63,088, the most people to attend a Gopher game to that point in the season. The Gophers were dominated in every facet of the game, by a team with 22 fewer scholarship players and none with scholarship offers by Minnesota. The game was considered a low point for the program as a whole. NDSU rushed for 394 yards and totaled 585 yards with an edge in time of possession of nearly 14 minutes. Bison running back Tyler Roehl had a school-record 263 yards on 22 carries with one touchdown. The defeat put the Gophers at 1–7 and official out of contention for a bowl game bid. The victory extended NDSU's winning streak to 11-games, then the longest in all of football.
I agree that most of FCS should not be playing FBS. But there are teams in FCS that can compete, and should be able to compete, with the big boys. I see your point Whiskey, but the fact that an FCS school can totally dominate a Big 10 program is probably one more reason why the Big 10 doesn't want to play them anymore . It's one of those "no win" situations for the B1G schools. If Minnesota defeats a school like NDSU, everyone says, "SO what -- it was just a division II school. " And if the Gophers lose, it's an embarrassment for the whole conference. You're familiar with the Bison program because you lived there, but most football fans view NDSU as just another Division II team. It's nothing personal against NDSU. It's just public perception, and as the saying goes, perception is reality.
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Posted: 2/18/2013 10:57 PM
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12233 wrote:
WhiskyKilo wrote: This is an absolute stupid decision and the reason why is that they have just lumped all of the FCS teams together, when in fact they are very different.
I've posted on here before about North Dakota State, I lived up there for awhile, so I got to see their program firsthand. They are 6-3 all time against FBS teams. They beat the MAC champion one year by 30 points on the road.
NDSU has a 2-1 record vs. Minnesota and now they are not good enough to play them?
Also, the lack of fan interest sited as a reason for stopping FCS games does not apply in this situation. In 2007, the NDSU game was the highest attended game for a home game at Minnesota.
The Bison defeated the Gophers 27–21 in front of 63,088, the most people to attend a Gopher game to that point in the season. The Gophers were dominated in every facet of the game, by a team with 22 fewer scholarship players and none with scholarship offers by Minnesota. The game was considered a low point for the program as a whole. NDSU rushed for 394 yards and totaled 585 yards with an edge in time of possession of nearly 14 minutes. Bison running back Tyler Roehl had a school-record 263 yards on 22 carries with one touchdown. The defeat put the Gophers at 1–7 and official out of contention for a bowl game bid. The victory extended NDSU's winning streak to 11-games, then the longest in all of football.
I agree that most of FCS should not be playing FBS. But there are teams in FCS that can compete, and should be able to compete, with the big boys. I see your point Whiskey, but the fact that an FCS school can totally dominate a Big 10 program is probably one more reason why the Big 10 doesn't want to play them anymore . It's one of those "no win" situations for the B1G schools. If Minnesota defeats a school like NDSU, everyone says, "SO what -- it was just a division II school. " And if the Gophers lose, it's an embarrassment for the whole conference. You're familiar with the Bison program because you lived there, but most football fans view NDSU as just another Division II team. It's nothing personal against NDSU. It's just public perception, and as the saying goes, perception is reality. If Minnesota beats UMass, Buffalo, Bowling Green, etc., everyone is also saying "So what". It is a fact that an NDSU-Minnesota game will sell out, where a Minnesota-Purdue or Northwestern game will not sell out. Forget about a Minnesota- MAC bottom feeder game doing anything for anybody. The city of Fargo gobbles up tickets and hotel rooms in Minneapolis. You could make a good case for the people in Cedar Rapids who deserve their shot in Iowa City also. Youngstown State is usually better than the bottom of the MAC as well. We can go on and on about teams in FCS who are better than a lot of teams in FBS. Here is what the scheduling rule should be: Regardless if you play 3 or 4 OOC games, at least 2 games must be against BCS opponents and the other 1 or 2 games can be whoever you want it to be. There will be some B1G teams that will just load up on bottom feeder Conf USA, and MAC teams, which defeats the intent of this rule, imo. New Mexico State and Idaho are begging for games: I guess they are ok to play the B1G, even though they bring no fans with them and will get beat by 50?
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Posted: 2/19/2013 1:09 AM
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It's also going to create a problem for FCS teams. Northern Iowa who nearly beat Wisconsin on the road and later lost to Iowa on the road picked up $950,000 for those games. Without those payouts and with a program already in deficit, they may have to drop football.
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Posted: 2/19/2013 1:25 AM
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soonersw wrote: It's also going to create a problem for FCS teams. Northern Iowa who nearly beat Wisconsin on the road and later lost to Iowa on the road picked up $950,000 for those games. Without those payouts and with a program already in deficit, they may have to drop football. True. I wonder if they have any grounds to sue the Big 10? If I was on the jury, the B1G would have to prove to me that playing Eastern Michigan as opposed to Northern Iowa is better for them in regards to attendance, money being brought into the community, and future bowl placements, i.e. better rankings in the polls. I seriously doubt they'd be able to prove it to me, unless they played an entire OOC schedule made up of BCS opponents. Of course, they won't do this. tOSU needs to be able to play Miami, Bowling Green, etc. The B1G is playing a perception game here, nothing else. The SEC will play their annual "Southern Conference shootout", and then the B1G will attack them and state, "We don't play FCS teams, we are above that." What the idiots in the media and certain fanbases don't get is that Georgia Southern would beat Eastern Michigan if they played each other. I feel sorry for some of these schools because they deserve their games with FBS. They've earned that right.
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