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RE: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:11 PM
RE: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
How do you know he isn't an upgrade? Sounds like the same crap that was said about Norvell when he replaced Wyatt. There are quotes from Texas HS coaches, who had dealings with both him and Patton, on another site saying the exact opposite as well. They say that Bedenbaugh is indeed a big upgrade. I guess their opinions don't matter, seeing as you looked up class ratings while one was at OU and the other was at lower tier programs. You also don't seem to want to address the most recent recruiting cycle. Bedenbaugh just recruited circles around Patton and he did it at WVU. You nor I have any clue what Bedenbaugh will do with a top tier product to sell. The recruitniks and actual coaches that have dealt with the two in recruiting seem to think he will do extremely well. I am going to go ahead and defer to them.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:21 PM
Re: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
ZachGivens wrote: I'm not a big fan of post-season honors for offensive linemen as a way to gauge their level of talent. I put more stock into the eye test and trusting the judgement of others who understand the game. I think a certain amount of consideration going into who is labeled what is fine, but I can't put a lot of stock into the label being something that holds a lot of weight. I agree and I think that a certain level of honors come from a player being at a certain program, like OU. If your offensive team is just atrocious or your team overall, it will hurt a lineman's chance for honors because alot of him looking good is how his backs and QB do overall. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:53 PM
Re: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
Doesn't matter how or who he coached in the past..the most important question is CAN HE RECRUIT. Hundreds of guys can coach good players.
Yoy guys will never understand will you?
Disagree with me if you want but ask Switzer what the most important attriibute for a coach is.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:38 PM
RE: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
 SoonerManiac25 wrote: James Patton came in with a beautiful resume and turned out to be anything but.
That said, I'll give Bedenbaugh a chance. "Oklahoma... there's only one"
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:47 PM
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bozzzz44 wrote: The article in the OP's post is exactly what i was asking last week.
But what do I know.
Im willing to give him a chance but if this fails, then it will be another few years to correct it. I agree.Since he's supposedly going to start Monday,I will welcome him with open arms.However I still think we might have done better and took a few more days of looking around.I hope Coach B.Stoops is right on this because like you said it will take a few more years to correct if not. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:53 PM
RE: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
eddyjizza wrote: That article is trash. I have seen better researched and more thoughtful articles in Highlights for Kids. That is kind of funny. |
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Posted: 2/15/2013 11:26 PM
RE: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
And people wonder why Stoops doesn't deal with the media anymore than he has to.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:13 AM
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OUFtball wrote: I can't believe that there is one thing missing from that story...OU played West Virginia Nov 17th...WV rushed for 458 yds. lol, well......."458 yards of rushing" doesn't support the author's theory...so conviently..it's left out. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:55 AM
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This has more to do with Mikes 4-0-7 defense than the WV OL. --------------------------------------------- --- gratefulRed wrote: OUFtball wrote: I can't believe that there is one thing missing from that story...OU played West Virginia Nov 17th...WV rushed for 458 yds. lol, well......."458 yards of rushing" doesn't support the author's theory...so conviently..it's left out. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:57 AM
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Just how many 1st-team All-American candidates do you believe had the chance to coach at TexasTech, Arizona and W.Virginia??
He's done well with the 3-star* recruits he had in the hopper.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:08 AM
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this is crazy hasn't even set foot on campus or started recruiting and some are already throwing this man under the bus it is kinda sad to see before he even has a chance to see what he can do @  |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:14 AM
Re: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
 Got to love opinions. Also love bashers  There sure seems to be a lot especially from expert sooner fans. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:18 AM
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Fortunately, none of us has a ego nourished need to build a website just to state our opinion, and make it look more important than everyone else's opinion. (we have font size for that)
Last edited 2/16/2013 10:19 AM by SoonerSuperStorm
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:20 AM
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raysooner wrote: Doesn't matter how or who he coached in the past..the most important question is CAN HE RECRUIT. Hundreds of guys can coach good players.
Yoy guys will never understand will you?
Disagree with me if you want but ask Switzer what the most important attriibute for a coach is. If a guy can only recruit, but can't coach, he's a Mack Brown. If a guy can coach, but isn't a strong recruiter, he's a Bill Snyder or a Gary Patterson. Of the two types, which one do you want? I believe in a good balance. |
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:22 AM
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bozzzz44 wrote: This has more to do with Mikes 4-0-7 defense than the WV OL.
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--- gratefulRed wrote:
OUFtball wrote: I can't believe that there is one thing missing from that story...OU played West Virginia Nov 17th...WV rushed for 458 yds.
lol, well......."458 yards of rushing" doesn't support the author's theory...so conviently..it's left out.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:25 AM
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Ray, I will take this chance to respectfully disagree. Recruiting is important as you said, but if you can't coach, recruits will figure that out. Every recruiter has to work his way to the respect of recruits, their parents, and their coaches and the products they put on the field speak for that (IF it's their position). I know what Switzer's quotes are about recruiting, but he could coach. If you let the recruits fail at your college, you won't be a good recruiter for much longer. I realize there are some exceptions to the rule (people who could sell snow to Eskimos, etc), but in general they are both VITAL attributes. raysooner wrote: Doesn't matter how or who he coached in the past..the most important question is CAN HE RECRUIT. Hundreds of guys can coach good players.
Yoy guys will never understand will you?
Disagree with me if you want but ask Switzer what the most important attriibute for a coach is. "We compete, not so much against an opponent, but against ourselves. The real test is this: Did I make my best effort on every play?"
-Bud Wilkinson
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Posted: 2/16/2013 12:06 PM
Re: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
Something basic to consider; factoring in the defenses (front 7's) he faced, how good were his O-lines in pass protection and in run blocking?
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:15 AM
Re: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
ZachGivens wrote: I'm not a big fan of post-season honors for offensive linemen as a way to gauge their level of talent. I put more stock into the eye test and trusting the judgement of others who understand the game. I think a certain amount of consideration going into who is labeled what is fine, but I can't put a lot of stock into the label being something that holds a lot of weight. The ideal Olineman has great body control..a.k.a stopping and redirection at full speed (say a 5 flat or better 40 time). You'd like to have a set that are big but agile across the front. Mental discipline is a must. Quickness is a must (not as much striding speed but quick twitch.) Ability to see things instantly as D calls post snap are developing. If you don't have this type package across the front (fairly rare) then you need some straight ahead road grader types to create space for runs, dependable pass blockers, then some decent sized cats that can lead a back on pulls or get to the second/third level of the defense. ..Criterias all for really good Offensive Lines. If they are not big but are talented then investigate their lineage to see if they may be late bloomers with big men in their families. Oh yeh, feed them on quality dining. (This was a tongue in cheek response..while still true.  ) (" Harrumph! Harrumph!..~ I didn't get a 'Harrumph!' outta dat guy!"~ ..."Harrumph!!.." ~ " Watch your a**....")
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Last edited 2/17/2013 1:21 AM by AllTimeOne
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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:44 PM
RE: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
Well done. eddyjizza wrote: Using the stats for running yards per game alone when he called plays in only one of those seasons is dumb. Gotta look at efficiency. ypc improved everywhere he has been the OL coach. The year before he got to Zona they were at 2.6 ypc, had a RZ scoring% ~60 and had 11 rushing TDs. Two years later they were above 4 ypc, had a 91 RZ scoring% and ran for 33 TDs. After '07, which was a disaster, Zona averaged right at 1950 rushing yards per season,150 per game, 24 TDs per season and averaged 4.3 ypc in the three yeas before he was hired away. Zona was averaging less than 90 yards per game running before he got there too. He helped improve the yards per game by 67%. Wonder why that isn't mentioned.
Would you like a B.Everage with that turnover?
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Posted: 2/18/2013 6:07 PM
Re: Dozier: Stoops making wrong call in Bedenbaugh
I like the hire, and I agree, there is no way to know right now if he won't improve the running game.
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