SoonerPhan wrote: Mike, BJW, Norvell, Heupel, and Gundy are all still getting it done on the recruiting trail.  Shipp, while formerly great, was not.  Patton and Kittle also were not.  Their replacements will be energetic, successful recruiters and once better players return to Norman, OU will be back in the hunt nationally.

SOONERTIME wrote: A very few of us suggested that he should only keep the best recruiters . Some like Jnevel and the gurus wanted to sink the ship . In this era of college football , if you are a school with a name like OKlahoma you HAVE to use that brand or else you just become a Baylor .

I can't believe all the people on this board that said Oklahoma just wasnt ever going to be able to compete on deensive recruiting with the SEC. I guess Bob Stoops and Joe C agreed with Boz44, Max , and a few of us other and didn't buy that smelling horse crap .

Oklahoma is a historic brand and it was being waisted on the buddy system.

Finally someone with some sense is correcting this .

Doesn't mean we have to hate Shipp at all. I love him and will always love him for all the great things he has done as a coach and a player but his time had past for this level and we needed somehting to show the recruits that Oklahoma really does intend to change and go out and hunt down the SEC and beat them.

I will worry until I see who we hire because this hire is so so important . We have to hit this one out of the park.

I love reading these clowns that was deleting me for suggesting these firings 3 weeks ago and now they are acting so excited . Bunch of phony think they know everything arse holes !

mainline13 wrote:

12233 wrote:

TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters.  How many championships has L. Kiffin won?   How is Mack doing at Texas?  To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level.  The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches.

Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC  couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year.

As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC.

How did Kiffen ever land that gig without a previous HC job?

HighwayBill wrote: So, you're saying mack's coaching accomplishments are equal to Stoops'?

12233 wrote:

TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters.  How many championships has L. Kiffin won?   How is Mack doing at Texas?  To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level.  The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches.

Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC  couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year.

As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC.

Sooner1214 wrote:

12233 wrote:

TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters.  How many championships has L. Kiffin won?   How is Mack doing at Texas?  To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level.  The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches.

Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC  couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year.

As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC.

Let's not just judge Bob against Mack based on them both winning one NC.  How about head to head results plus conference titles and number of NC's played for.  Unless you want to argue that OU has had substantially better talent most years than UT, Bob's head to head record against Mack plus conference titles indicates that Bob is a better coach overall.

12233 wrote:

HighwayBill wrote: So, you're saying mack's coaching accomplishments are equal to Stoops'?

12233 wrote:

TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters.  How many championships has L. Kiffin won?   How is Mack doing at Texas?  To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level.  The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches.

Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC  couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year.

As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC.

No, not at all. I thought Teddy was talking about national championships, and both Stoops and Brown have one. That was my point.

drmouse wrote: one thing we may be overlooking is the conference we are recruiting to.      the sec now has a bigger presence in texas,    and it may be harder for OU to recruit the very top players to a weakened big 12 conference.    we screwed the pooch when we didn't take florida st and clemson,   and when we stood by and watched texas run everyone off.    and we may never recover completely from that blunder.    I see the possibility of OU having the same sort of situation florida st has in the acc.   they are a acc contender but don't have the national presence that they had before joining the acc.   same goes for miami.    it has been a steady decline for them.   we may be seeing that happen for texas and OU,    weak conference leading to weaker recruiting,     leading to less tv money,     leading to eventual collapse of the conference in 8-10 years.