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Posted: 2/14/2013 2:38 PM
Stoops Only Retaining the Best Recruiters
Mike, BJW, Norvell, Heupel, and Gundy are all still getting it done on the recruiting trail. Shipp, while formerly great, was not. Patton and Kittle also were not. Their replacements will be energetic, successful recruiters and once better players return to Norman, OU will be back in the hunt nationally.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 2:42 PM
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I agree, and I think we surprise this coming year by winning big 12 championship, from there who knows
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--- SoonerPhan wrote:
Mike, BJW, Norvell, Heupel, and Gundy are all still getting it done on the recruiting trail. Shipp, while formerly great, was not. Patton and Kittle also were not. Their replacements will be energetic, successful recruiters and once better players return to Norman, OU will be back in the hunt nationally.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 2:44 PM
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Shipp actually closed out the year pretty decent, especially if all four recruits make it to campus and stay eligible. I was on the verge of calling for his head before he landed those guys, but now ... well, it was a big shock to me, anyway.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 3:44 PM
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LVokie wrote: Shipp actually closed out the year pretty decent, especially if all four recruits make it to campus and stay eligible. I was on the verge of calling for his head before he landed those guys, but now ... well, it was a big shock to me, anyway. I had heard some pretty bad rumors, though I am not sure how true, that Shipp would be off "recruiting" on the golf course. Again, this is 3rd hand info, but it does kind of sound that way based on his recruiting the past few seasons.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 3:52 PM
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SoonerPhan wrote: Mike, BJW, Norvell, Heupel, and Gundy are all still getting it done on the recruiting trail. Shipp, while formerly great, was not. Patton and Kittle also were not. Their replacements will be energetic, successful recruiters and once better players return to Norman, OU will be back in the hunt nationally. There is some truth to this. However, Patton recruited a lot of top 5-10 guards and centers, and Shipp has brought in a lot of 4 and 5-star DTs over the last 2-3 years. Granted, there have been some questionmarks about Shipp's effort, and this year was a bit disappointing. Both coaches have done a pretty good job, but not an exceptional job. Nonetheless, the current coaching staff is stronger in terms of recruiting. The Kittle dismissal is certainly not surprising. I don't think he was a bad position coach at OT, but his recruiting left much to be desired and the TEs have been non-existant. IMO, I would have canned Kish as well before Patton and Shipp.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 4:08 PM
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LVokie wrote: Shipp actually closed out the year pretty decent, especially if all four recruits make it to campus and stay eligible. I was on the verge of calling for his head before he landed those guys, but now ... well, it was a big shock to me, anyway. The close out, was pretty good as you say, but it had to be a bit concerning that we came down to the wire. That, at least has the appearance of not being as active earlier on. Too me, it shows ability as a recruiter, but the last minute nature appears to be due to not being as proactive up front and maybe taking some things for granted. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 4:42 PM
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Some of the rumored replacements are thought to be very good recruiters too. At OU all it takes is the right leadership to put the championship recipe together. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:02 PM
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Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:21 PM
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TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches. Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year. As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:38 PM
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So, you're saying mack's coaching accomplishments are equal to Stoops'? 12233 wrote:
TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches. Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year.
As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC. We gotta get on the road, destiny unbound
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:42 PM
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12233 wrote:
TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches. Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year.
As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC. Let's not just judge Bob against Mack based on them both winning one NC. How about head to head results plus conference titles and number of NC's played for. Unless you want to argue that OU has had substantially better talent most years than UT, Bob's head to head record against Mack plus conference titles indicates that Bob is a better coach overall. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:54 PM
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TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches. Alabama certainly hasn't won 3 NCs because they were coaching up a bunch 2 and 3 star recruits. In order to win a NC we need good recruiters and good coaches. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:57 PM
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12233 wrote:
TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches. Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year.
As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC. How did Kiffen ever land that gig without a previous HC job?
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Posted: 2/14/2013 6:11 PM
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12233 wrote:
TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches. Kiffen has only been a HC at USC for three years and the Trojans have been on probation the entire time. His first two years, USC couldn't play in the post season, so there was no way they could have won a NC. No team can win a NC when they are limited to 15 new recruits a year.
As far as Mack Brown is concerned, he's won as many NC's as Stoops. The group of coaches we have at OU right now have never won a NC. Other than Bob, and Mike, and Bobby Jack, and Cale..... and Heup if you buy the quarterback "coach on the field".... so Norvell and the new hires should be pretty damn hungry for one... I have no doubt about this group's ability to coach, they've won 10+ games a year for the past three years with what many consider the lowest level of talent in Stoops' 14 years... So, increase the talent level, and the current "two Big 12 titles in three years" ceiling will be much higher. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 7:16 PM
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LVokie wrote: Shipp actually closed out the year pretty decent, especially if all four recruits make it to campus and stay eligible. I was on the verge of calling for his head before he landed those guys, but now ... well, it was a big shock to me, anyway. I think you hit the nail on the head LV. It's ok to sit back and hope 4 recruits make it to campus and stay elibgible if you alread have a couple horses in the barn. Our Dline barn was empty? |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:11 PM
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SOONERTIME wrote: A very few of us suggested that he should only keep the best recruiters . Some like Jnevel and the gurus wanted to sink the ship . In this era of college football , if you are a school with a name like OKlahoma you HAVE to use that brand or else you just become a Baylor .
I can't believe all the people on this board that said Oklahoma just wasnt ever going to be able to compete on deensive recruiting with the SEC. I guess Bob Stoops and Joe C agreed with Boz44, Max , and a few of us other and didn't buy that smelling horse crap .
Oklahoma is a historic brand and it was being waisted on the buddy system.
Finally someone with some sense is correcting this .
Doesn't mean we have to hate Shipp at all. I love him and will always love him for all the great things he has done as a coach and a player but his time had past for this level and we needed somehting to show the recruits that Oklahoma really does intend to change and go out and hunt down the SEC and beat them.
I will worry until I see who we hire because this hire is so so important . We have to hit this one out of the park.
I love reading these clowns that was deleting me for suggesting these firings 3 weeks ago and now they are acting so excited . Bunch of phony think they know everything arse holes ! lol, why do you reference yourself like that? |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:20 PM
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--------------------------------------------- --- SoonerManiac25 wrote: SOONERTIME wrote: A very few of us suggested that he should only keep the best recruiters . Some like Jnevel and the gurus wanted to sink the ship . In this era of college football , if you are a school with a name like OKlahoma you HAVE to use that brand or else you just become a Baylor .
I can't believe all the people on this board that said Oklahoma just wasnt ever going to be able to compete on deensive recruiting with the SEC. I guess Bob Stoops and Joe C agreed with Boz44, Max , and a few of us other and didn't buy that smelling horse crap .
Oklahoma is a historic brand and it was being waisted on the buddy system.
Finally someone with some sense is correcting this .
Doesn't mean we have to hate Shipp at all. I love him and will always love him for all the great things he has done as a coach and a player but his time had past for this level and we needed somehting to show the recruits that Oklahoma really does intend to change and go out and hunt down the SEC and beat them.
I will worry until I see who we hire because this hire is so so important . We have to hit this one out of the park.
I love reading these clowns that was deleting me for suggesting these firings 3 weeks ago and now they are acting so excited . Bunch of phony think they know everything arse holes ! lol, why do you reference yourself like that? --------------------------------------------- Wow. That is insane. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:33 PM
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eddyjizza wrote:
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SOONERTIME wrote: A very few of us suggested that he should only keep the best recruiters . Some like Jnevel and the gurus wanted to sink the ship . In this era of college football , if you are a school with a name like OKlahoma you HAVE to use that brand or else you just become a Baylor .
I can't believe all the people on this board that said Oklahoma just wasnt ever going to be able to compete on deensive recruiting with the SEC. I guess Bob Stoops and Joe C agreed with Boz44, Max , and a few of us other and didn't buy that smelling horse crap .
Oklahoma is a historic brand and it was being waisted on the buddy system.
Finally someone with some sense is correcting this .
Doesn't mean we have to hate Shipp at all. I love him and will always love him for all the great things he has done as a coach and a player but his time had past for this level and we needed somehting to show the recruits that Oklahoma really does intend to change and go out and hunt down the SEC and beat them.
I will worry until I see who we hire because this hire is so so important . We have to hit this one out of the park.
I love reading these clowns that was deleting me for suggesting these firings 3 weeks ago and now they are acting so excited . Bunch of phony think they know everything arse holes ! lol, why do you reference yourself like that?
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Wow. That is insane. Anyone call the white coats yet? 
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:50 PM
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Get a grip man. Embarrassing.
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A very few of us suggested that he should only keep the best recruiters . Some like Jnevel and the gurus wanted to sink the ship . In this era of college football , if you are a school with a name like OKlahoma you HAVE to use that brand or else you just become a Baylor .
I can't believe all the people on this board that said Oklahoma just wasnt ever going to be able to compete on deensive recruiting with the SEC. I guess Bob Stoops and Joe C agreed with Boz44, Max , and a few of us other and didn't buy that smelling horse crap .
Oklahoma is a historic brand and it was being waisted on the buddy system.
Finally someone with some sense is correcting this .
Doesn't mean we have to hate Shipp at all. I love him and will always love him for all the great things he has done as a coach and a player but his time had past for this level and we needed somehting to show the recruits that Oklahoma really does intend to change and go out and hunt down the SEC and beat them.
I will worry until I see who we hire because this hire is so so important . We have to hit this one out of the park.
I love reading these clowns that was deleting me for suggesting these firings 3 weeks ago and now they are acting so excited . Bunch of phony think they know everything arse holes !
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Posted: 2/15/2013 1:15 AM
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TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches. Exactly. That's why Boise State is a thorn in many D-1 teams' side, because they are so well-coached. They aren't loaded with 4 and 5 star talent. We need good recruiters, true enough. But they must be able to coach them up, first and foremost. Otherwise, UT would have been like Alabama under Mack. I'll take a guy that can evaluate undervalued players and can coach them up over a guy that can sign all the 5 stars he can find and can't even win a conference title with them (aka Mack Brown). mrmOU wrote:
TeddyDvor wrote: Good coaches beat good recruiters. How many championships has L. Kiffin won? How is Mack doing at Texas? To win consistently you have to do both equally well and at a high level. The group of coaches at OU have been and hopefully will continue to be excellent football coaches. Alabama certainly hasn't won 3 NCs because they were coaching up a bunch 2 and 3 star recruits.
In order to win a NC we need good recruiters and good coaches. Umm...actually, they did in Saban's first year. Then they started getting more highly ranked guys. And Saban and his staff are able to recruit highly rated talent, BUT they can coach the crap out of that talent. That's precisely what we need. Bob's one and only national championship came with a bunch of 3 star guys on the field. Coaching wins out over recruiting. Put the two together, and you have a powerful combination. That's what we need. My goal in life is to be half as good a person as my dog already thinks I am. |
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