NYHorsePig wrote:

manginosandwhich wrote:  The Oklahoma brand by itself recruits players, you have to lack people skills not to be able to recruit to Oklahoma or Bama, USC, Ohio state, or ND.

 Unfortunately not as much as it used to.

Bama, USC and tOSU also have larger pools of in state talent.  ND is the closest to OU in terms of lower numbers of in state talent, and it pains me, but ND is ND.  I doubt the overall national outlook of OU is higher than ND. 

The OU brand does sell itself, but we do not have the in state talent pool of 3 of 4 mentioned and the other is ND.  Outside of ND, yeah, OU is probably as good a brand as any with small in state talent.  The brand is down though.

BleedingCrimson4Life wrote:

NYHorsePig wrote:

manginosandwhich wrote:  The Oklahoma brand by itself recruits players, you have to lack people skills not to be able to recruit to Oklahoma or Bama, USC, Ohio state, or ND.

 Unfortunately not as much as it used to.

Bama, USC and tOSU also have larger pools of in state talent.  ND is the closest to OU in terms of lower numbers of in state talent, and it pains me, but ND is ND.  I doubt the overall national outlook of OU is higher than ND. 

The OU brand does sell itself, but we do not have the in state talent pool of 3 of 4 mentioned and the other is ND.  Outside of ND, yeah, OU is probably as good a brand as any with small in state talent.  The brand is down though.

Which is why in the past, we've had to treat parts of Texas as almost like in state recruiting for us.  Our proximity to Texas in being able to bring in great talent in the past, especially running backs back in the day, allowed us to supplement our in state talent and win national championships.

That is always the way it has been and having Texas close means that we have a better shot at some of those recruits than pulling a bunch of guys out of Florida or Ohio Southern California.

The problem is that there is much more competition in Texas these days, with TCU and Baylor and LSU and a rising A&M etc.

manginosandwhich wrote: The Oklahoma brand by itself recruits players, you have to lack people skills not to be able to recruit to Oklahoma or Bama, USC, Ohio state, or ND.

Way too oversimplified. Tell the OU brand story to a kid who grows up praying every day that he'll get an offer from Texas. Tell a kid who has been promised a chance to start as a freshman at aTm that the OU brand sells itself. Tell a kid who has a chance to get a full ride scholarship at Stanford worth $250,000 that he should decide where to go based on the OU brand.

Recruiting is far more competitive than ever. No school can rely on their brand anymore. About the time you sit back and rest on your brand a guy like Hugh Freeze from Ole Miss will come along and convince the kid you wanted that he can come to Mississippi and be part of  making history by turning their program around.

Why not just get 85 Oklahoma farm boys that are 6'8" 320 lbs and can carry bails of hay between 2 fingers???....Seriously, why not?

Eagle, pick one defense in the Big 12 that you would take over OU's any year?? Paarticularly last year..

You always do come up with pretty good points. And I will say something about Stoop's teams, we have QB's, RB's, WR's and maybe DB's that ride the pine who could start for other teams. We just need to get back to real depth across the board and it is harder to do with an 85 limit on scholarship.

12233 wrote:

OOOOOOO1111111UUUUUUU wrote: Switzer also had fewer boundaries containing him. How many recruits did OU have on scholarship year after year? We had guys on the bench who would have started elsewhere.

12233 wrote:

eddyjizza wrote: Anyone can recruit, it is honestly not that hard and so much of it is based on the quality of the product you have to sell and the proximity of talent to your program. Not everyone can coach, especially at a high level. Ideally you want both, but the former is much easier to improve and a guy who wasn't considered a great recruiter, like Jay Norvell, can become one in a short amount of time given the right opportunity.

Saying anyone can recruit is like saying anyone can sell. It's true up to a point. Quality of product and geography are clearly factors. But in the final analysis, recruiting is primarily salesmanship and some people are just natural born salesmen. If it was easy to train people to be great recruiters, then every coach would be a great recruiter. If I had to choose between a great coach and a great recruiter, I would probably choose the great coach. But it sure helps to have a top notch recruiter funneling great players into your program.

Wilkinson was probably the prime example of a coach who was successful more because of his ability to coach than his ability to recruit. Switzer might have been the other way around. The guy could flat out recruit, but he was a better coach than he got credit for.

Switzer had exactly the same boundaries as every other coach of his day. He was just way better at recruiting than most. That's why he had players on the bench who could've started elsewhere. IMO, Barry was a recruiting genius. He was also a darn good game day coach, but the media never gave him much credit for that.

After PSU, I think not getting a coach that rapes young people might be important.

OOOOOOO1111111UUUUUUU wrote: You always do come up with pretty good points. And I will say something about Stoop's teams, we have QB's, RB's, WR's and maybe DB's that ride the pine who could start for other teams. We just need to get back to real depth across the board and it is harder to do with an 85 limit on scholarship.

12233 wrote:

OOOOOOO1111111UUUUUUU wrote: Switzer also had fewer boundaries containing him. How many recruits did OU have on scholarship year after year? We had guys on the bench who would have started elsewhere.

12233 wrote:

eddyjizza wrote: Anyone can recruit, it is honestly not that hard and so much of it is based on the quality of the product you have to sell and the proximity of talent to your program. Not everyone can coach, especially at a high level. Ideally you want both, but the former is much easier to improve and a guy who wasn't considered a great recruiter, like Jay Norvell, can become one in a short amount of time given the right opportunity.

Saying anyone can recruit is like saying anyone can sell. It's true up to a point. Quality of product and geography are clearly factors. But in the final analysis, recruiting is primarily salesmanship and some people are just natural born salesmen. If it was easy to train people to be great recruiters, then every coach would be a great recruiter. If I had to choose between a great coach and a great recruiter, I would probably choose the great coach. But it sure helps to have a top notch recruiter funneling great players into your program.

Wilkinson was probably the prime example of a coach who was successful more because of his ability to coach than his ability to recruit. Switzer might have been the other way around. The guy could flat out recruit, but he was a better coach than he got credit for.

Switzer had exactly the same boundaries as every other coach of his day. He was just way better at recruiting than most. That's why he had players on the bench who could've started elsewhere. IMO, Barry was a recruiting genius. He was also a darn good game day coach, but the media never gave him much credit for that.

Exactly!...Tom Osborne got the credit of the day then & most of the truth came out on him eventually.

"In-state" doesn't mean the same for ND as it does for OU.  Notre Dame is across the street from Michigan, around the corner from Illinois, and down the road from Ohio.  Besides, they are a national brand. 

Even so, quite a number of Indiana lads are on D-1 teams--admittedly, many at IU, where they are the majority of the roster.  10 were on the ND roster last year.

You'd be surprised at how many OU fans live across the Nation.We still have a great deal of fans spread out even in the great SEC states.

I literally have heard people yelling boomer sooner to me in California Arizona Texas Florida Virginia Illinois New Mexico and other states wall I was wearing my Sooners gear

BootleggersBoy wrote: I literally have heard people yelling boomer sooner to me in California Arizona Texas Florida Virginia Illinois New Mexico and other states wall I was wearing my Sooners gear

I know here the in the DFW area, there are lots of Sooners.

alwaysasooner88 wrote:

BootleggersBoy wrote: Single most important qualification for new assistant coaches?

To attentively read, comprehend and impliment coaching, play calling and talent evaluation advice found on the internet college football message boards.

POST OF THE DAY!!

Ha, and there are a lot of coaches on line watching this stuff you do know.