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Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
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Posted: 5/28/2009 7:01 PM
Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
I will take those four to round out our last four spots (Assuming Turner and Buford Leave).
Who do you take
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Posted: 5/28/2009 7:02 PM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
there is zero chance that smith and payne would join sullinger.
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Posted: 5/28/2009 11:03 PM
RE: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
Even if ET and WB leave we only have 3 openings. A PG is a must ( Craft is your choice I guess ). Josh is a huge longshot. As goose said I doubt you get 3 T10 bigs in the same class and Thomas may be destined for the "Matta 4" here as well. I want Payne and either Pressey or Joseph. My guess is we end up with Craft and Spoon. I somehow don't think we'll sign more than one other frontcourt player - in case WB decides to return.
JMHO
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Posted: 5/29/2009 7:42 PM
RE: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
getbucked wrote: Even if ET and WB leave we only have 3 openings. A PG is a must ( Craft is your choice I guess ). Josh is a huge longshot. As goose said I doubt you get 3 T10 bigs in the same class and Thomas may be destined for the "Matta 4" here as well. I want Payne and either Pressey or Joseph. My guess is we end up with Craft and Spoon. I somehow don't think we'll sign more than one other frontcourt player - in case WB decides to return.
JMHO Craft in my opinion will be a Buckeye. And as far as the Spoon is concerned I think it is 50 50 on him wearing the S&G. I don't think Payne will be in this class. Because they already have Thomas and Sullinger. #1 BUCKEYE |
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Posted: 5/29/2009 8:31 PM
RE: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
TheKingBuck wrote:
I don't think Payne will be in this class. Because they already have Thomas and Sullinger.
thomas has no bearing at all on payne's decision. they're completely different players. |
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Posted: 6/2/2009 3:08 PM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
I'm not seeing the magic with Payne. He seems like a more athletic, better defensive presence, but smaller, less-skilled version of Mullens. His high school stats aren't imposing and his team didn't make it to the state tournament in Division IV. What's all the fuss about? |
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Posted: 6/2/2009 3:42 PM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
----Kern10 wrote: ---------------
I'm not seeing the magic with Payne. He seems like a more athletic, better defensive presence, but smaller, less-skilled version of Mullens.
His high school stats aren't imposing and his team didn't make it to the state tournament in Division IV. What's all the fuss about?
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Great pogo stick type athlete, you are right about his production being up and down. Mullens, regardless of his tOSU career, was a very productive HS player when the guards fed him the ball. I'd say a better comparison for Payne would be a slightly taller Derrick Brown, of CJ/Xavier-he wasn't eye-poppingly productive in HS either.
If you cry because your favorite team doesn't win every game, you better root for Manchester United or grow up.
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Posted: 6/10/2009 6:40 PM
Tidbits on J.D. & Adrien
Spoon left his Xavier commitment because of the coaching switch, but has kept in contact with the new Xavier coach and says he is getting real comfortable with him.
Adrien Payne said he doesn't want to play in Sullinger's shadow (which he does on All-Ohio Red)
not that either is a huge deal, but the Payne thing makes me wonder
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Posted: 6/10/2009 9:39 PM
Re: Tidbits on J.D. & Adrien
I am have heard some new recently that leads me to believe OSU has a shot with Payne. Watch this closely.... nothing done yet.
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Posted: 6/10/2009 11:40 PM
RE: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
Heard the same thing today.
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Posted: 6/12/2009 1:45 AM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
I remember reading an article a couple months back interviewing payne that he likes to compare his game to the likes of Kevin Garnett. I like his game a lot
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Posted: 6/12/2009 9:25 AM
Re: Kern 10, question for you
Kern, Do you live in Ohio?
if so, here is a public service announcement (lol) If so, hurry up cuz KERN10 is available as an OSU license plate. I almost took it last week, but went another way. LCB |
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Posted: 6/12/2009 9:51 AM
Re: Kern 10, question for you
Payne seems raw to me. I think we'd be getting a developing Othello Hunter again (not a bad thing, but the first two years may be rough). Could be wrong. I would expect him in a lower division to be dominating, which hasnt been the case. Edit: Wow, didnt realize he had so many offers. AAU must be going well.
Last edited 6/12/2009 9:53 AM by buhkeiz
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Posted: 6/12/2009 11:24 AM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
I do. Thanks, Lake. What happened to the talk Payne wanted out of Sullinger's shadow? |
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Posted: 6/12/2009 7:50 PM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
^it is still right there, however, matta is a genius, so dont worry about that
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Posted: 6/15/2009 1:26 AM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
I think Matta is a special recruiter. Have never thought otherwise. His X's and O's show a young coach, but if he can get Payne, and so many are so sold on him (including Matta) that would be quite a trick. Not sure I like Payne better than Weatherspoon, even though the former is rated so much higher than the latter. Spoon excelled at a far superior high school level this past season. He was the best player I saw at the state tournament. Payne couldn't get his Division IV team to Columbus. I know the ratings dramatically favor Payne. I haven't seen the kid to know the ins and outs on him, but I see a lot to like in Weatherspoon. An awful lot to like. He's one of those kids that does things you can't teach. The things he doesn't do well, you can teach. I think too many get caught up in what a high school kid, particularly an underclassman, can't yet do well. It's how the team coached-up entered the lexicon. |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 2:42 AM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
Kern10 wrote:I know the ratings dramatically favor Payne. I haven't seen the kid to know the ins and outs on him, but I see a lot to like in Weatherspoon. An awful lot to like. He's one of those kids that does things you can't teach.
there is one big difference between payne and weatherspoon and it's something that absolutely can't be taught: height. as far as i know, nobody has ever claimed or hinted that weatherspoon is less talented than payne. in fact, the overwhelming majority of those who have seen both players would agree that weatherspoon is more talented. however, what separates the two players the most is what makes payne a bit more attractive, and it's something i already alluded to in the first sentence. as i've stated before, if weatherspoon were a few inches taller, he'd be a no-brainer. he has astounding athletic abilities. though payne is an excellent athlete, too, weatherspoon is a freak of an athlete. but the fact still remains that weatherspoon is at best 6'6". that would be fine if the 2010 team needed more wing players. provided that lauderdale will be a senior, sarikopoulos a junior, and sullinger a possible early departure, the 2010 recruiting class has a greater need for a true post player than it does a tweener. understand that if weatherspoon jumps on board, i would be very, very happy. he's young for his grade, can jump out of the gym, may be playing well below his ceiling, may grow even more, and is already close to sullinger, sibert, and craft. that being stated, i have to place payne higher on the "needs list" because he's much taller and not close to being tapped out. |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 1:47 AM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
Absolutely understand the height argument. However, I hesitate when people talk about ceilings. With so many OSU kids being 1 and done, there is little to no time for ceilings.
Who is the better basketball player? That has to be the final argument, and that has to be Weatherspoon.
I didn't understand Jim O'Brien showing no love to Jamell Cornley. He was clearly a tough kid, strong player on an elite team. He was and is exactly what the Buckeyes have been missing for the last two years, a tough, rugged, durable inside banger who knows his role.
He was only 6-5, so OSU took a pass on him, and paid for it.
Weatherspoon is way better than Cornley, and that kid was a four-year contributor for an average Big Ten program. Weatherspoon is going to be a lot better than that.
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Posted: 6/21/2009 2:42 AM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
Kern10 wrote:
Who is the better basketball player? That has to be the final argument, and that has to be Weatherspoon. who is the better player is not the final argument. who projects to be the better player in the system is the final argument. when you consider payne's height and outstanding athleticism, i don't think anyone can be so decisive about who will end up being the better fit for the program. however, there is a reason why all the major recruiting services rate payne near the top and weatherspoon outside of the top 100. when payne flashes, which you haven't had the opportunity to see, he is an absolute monster who looks like he could play in the nba right now. that is what makes payne such an attractive prospect to the elite programs... that is, payne has the promise of game-dominating greatness. we'll see in two or three years whether that will be the case. anyway, both payne and weatherspoon have offers. matta obviously considers weatherspoon to be a major talent, which is for good reason. i will be quite happy if either player commits. that being stated, i will be surprised if either commits. i think weatherspoon bucks the trend and recommits to xavier, while payne chooses dayton, west virginia, or some other school besides ohio state. |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 2:54 AM
Re: Josh Smith, Adrien Payne, Aaron Craft, J.D. Weatherspoon
Kern10 wrote: I hesitate when people talk about ceilings. With so many OSU kids being 1 and done, there is little to no time for ceilings. when you're recruiting players who will likely be in the program for multiple seasons (like weatherspoon), you better believe that considering a player's potential is a major factor. whether thomas leaves after one or sullinger after one or two seasons has nothing to do with assessing where weatherspoon's ceiling is and whether he is progressing toward it. again, assessing a player's potential will always be a huge factor when recruiting high school kids. they're not going to play college ball for one, two, three, or even four years. if you aren't successful in projecting talent, you're doomed to fail. it's no different in college football recruiting, either. |
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