After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats http://www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

barkleys stats are pretty good besides the INTs

54%, 23/18int for the returning national player of the year. I guess good is subjective.

Brutus15NC wrote: barkleys stats are pretty good besides the INTs

54% is good for a HS kid and i already mentioned the INTs

Stop to think for once and go learn some football

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54%, 23/18int for the returning national player of the year. I guess good is subjective.

Brutus15NC wrote: barkleys stats are pretty good besides the INTs

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Good to know your hate for Michigan doesn't stop you from showing your mental limitations. 

JT Barrett was 9-22 in a losing effort, but he was impressive. I am no Michigan fan, but explain that logic? I don't understand hating on high school kids at all, regardless of whom they are committed to play for.

Brutus15NC wrote: 54% is good for a HS kid and i already mentioned the INTs

Stop to think for once and go learn some football

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54%, 23/18int for the returning national player of the year. I guess good is subjective.

Brutus15NC wrote: barkleys stats are pretty good besides the INTs

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A QB is only as good as his receivers

He was just shy of 3000 yards in a HS season. Lol, how is that bad? Morris was less than half that last year.

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Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

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It's not so much the very average stats Morris puts up, but yesterday just illustrated how bad the competition he plays weekly is. Iggy could have easily scored 100 pts and picked him 6 times if they chose to go hard. I saw they were the 4th ranked team in Michigan. They would lose to 50-100 teams from Ohio certainly, possibly more. Barkley was playing in California and throwing for 3000 yards. We have been comparing Morris to Morelli, but at least Morelli played in a very tough conference against top competition and was good in high school.

He was the returning national player of the year and threw 23/18int and completed 54%. Shane Morris has had a better TD/INT ratio every season of his high school career and similar completion %. 

So it's good for Matt Barkley who played on an exponentially better team, but bad for Morris? Kinda like JT Barrett's 9 for 22 performance in a losing effort(with an exponentially better team) was impressive, but Morris sucked? 

I am not a Michigan fan nor all that impressed with Morris, but I am capable of logical thinking. He's a big athletic kid with probably the strongest arm in the country, who everybody in the country has offered. He's a very good prospect.

wcbuckeye80 wrote: He was just shy of 3000 yards in a HS season. Lol, how is that bad? Morris was less than half that last year.

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Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

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Barkley also played top flight talent in high division, much better talent than what Morris will play other than Iggy

stoptothink wrote: Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats http://www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

stoptothink wrote: He was the returning national player of the year and threw 23/18int and completed 54%. Shane Morris has had a better TD/INT ratio every season of his high school career and similar completion %. 

So it's good for Matt Barkley who played on an exponentially better team, but bad for Morris? Kinda like JT Barrett's 9 for 22 performance in a losing effort(with an exponentially better team) was impressive, but Morris sucked? 

I am not a Michigan fan nor all that impressed with Morris, but I am capable of logical thinking. He's a big athletic kid with probably the strongest arm in the country, who everybody in the country has offered. He's a very good prospect.

wcbuckeye80 wrote: He was just shy of 3000 yards in a HS season. Lol, how is that bad? Morris was less than half that last year.

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Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

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You might want to check that offer list.

Barkley also had 3 D1 WRs (USCs Victor Blackwell and Robbie Boyer, and Andrew Abbott), a D1 RB (Robert Mojica who transferred from SMU to USC) and 2 D1 OL (USC's Khalil Holmes and UCLA's Chris Ward). 6 major college recruits on his team on the offensive side of the ball alone, has Morris played with a single D1 recruit in his high school career?

Morris has been great when throwing it around with and against guys of similar talent. I don't know why I am even supporting Morris, but this board's hate for the kid is ridiculous.

Haggerty wrote: Barkley also played top flight talent in high division, much better talent than what Morris will play other than Iggy

stoptothink wrote: Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats http://www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

Michigan football vs Ohio football... Especially going up against a Chuck Kyle St. Iggy team.. Not exactly like this kid has seen this type of high school team before.. As far as being so hyped, I'm sure their going by his arm strength, other measurables. Kid don't seem like a bad kid, just having some fun.. It's all good.. Bet he knows the difference now, if he didn't already, between Michigan high school football and Ohio.

Exactly. 

Did anybody watch Chrisitan Hackenberg against Hermitage last week? Looked exactly like Morris vs. St. Ignatius. I guess he is going to suck in college too.

BucksBig wrote: Michigan football vs Ohio football... Especially going up against a Chuck Kyle St. Iggy team.. Not exactly like this kid has seen this type of high school team before.. As far as being so hyped, I'm sure their going by his arm strength, other measurables. Kid don't seem like a bad kid, just having some fun.. It's all good.. Bet he knows the difference now, if he didn't already, between Michigan high school football and Ohio.

stoptothink wrote: He was the returning national player of the year and threw 23/18int and completed 54%. Shane Morris has had a better TD/INT ratio every season of his high school career and similar completion %. 

So it's good for Matt Barkley who played on an exponentially better team, but bad for Morris? Kinda like JT Barrett's 9 for 22 performance in a losing effort(with an exponentially better team) was impressive, but Morris sucked? 

I am not a Michigan fan nor all that impressed with Morris, but I am capable of logical thinking. He's a big athletic kid with probably the strongest arm in the country, who everybody in the country has offered. He's a very good prospect.

wcbuckeye80 wrote: He was just shy of 3000 yards in a HS season. Lol, how is that bad? Morris was less than half that last year.

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Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

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So if Morris is a man among boys, shouldn't his stats be inflated to reflect this?  I realize he isn't surrounded with D1 talent, but he's also not playing against D1 talent.  The two cancel each other out, and his stats should reflect this. 

Jalin Marshall took Middletown (public high school) to play one of the toughest private high schools in St. X and nearly pulled off the upset.  How many kids from Middletown do you think are going on to play D1 football compared to the kids at St. X? 

It's like in baseball, a guy that hits .220 in single A doesn't normally go to the big leagues and hit .330.

His WRs still have to catch the ball. His OL still has to block long enough for him to release the ball. Jalin Marshall almost willed his team to victory via his legs, not his arm. A lot easier for a RB or duel threat QB to do that than a pro-style QB.

jmancincy wrote:

stoptothink wrote: He was the returning national player of the year and threw 23/18int and completed 54%. Shane Morris has had a better TD/INT ratio every season of his high school career and similar completion %. 

So it's good for Matt Barkley who played on an exponentially better team, but bad for Morris? Kinda like JT Barrett's 9 for 22 performance in a losing effort(with an exponentially better team) was impressive, but Morris sucked? 

I am not a Michigan fan nor all that impressed with Morris, but I am capable of logical thinking. He's a big athletic kid with probably the strongest arm in the country, who everybody in the country has offered. He's a very good prospect.

wcbuckeye80 wrote: He was just shy of 3000 yards in a HS season. Lol, how is that bad? Morris was less than half that last year.

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Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

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So if Morris is a man among boys, shouldn't his stats be inflated to reflect this?  I realize he isn't surrounded with D1 talent, but he's also not playing against D1 talent.  The two cancel each other out, and his stats should reflect this. 

Jalin Marshall took Middletown (public high school) to play one of the toughest private high schools in St. X and nearly pulled off the upset.  How many kids from Middletown do you think are going on to play D1 football compared to the kids at St. X? 

It's like in baseball, a guy that hits .220 in single A doesn't normally go to the big leagues and hit .330.

stoptothink wrote: His WRs still have to catch the ball. His OL still has to block long enough for him to release the ball. Jalin Marshall almost willed his team to victory via his legs, not his arm. A lot easier for a RB or duel threat QB to do that than a pro-style QB.

jmancincy wrote:

stoptothink wrote: He was the returning national player of the year and threw 23/18int and completed 54%. Shane Morris has had a better TD/INT ratio every season of his high school career and similar completion %. 

So it's good for Matt Barkley who played on an exponentially better team, but bad for Morris? Kinda like JT Barrett's 9 for 22 performance in a losing effort(with an exponentially better team) was impressive, but Morris sucked? 

I am not a Michigan fan nor all that impressed with Morris, but I am capable of logical thinking. He's a big athletic kid with probably the strongest arm in the country, who everybody in the country has offered. He's a very good prospect.

wcbuckeye80 wrote: He was just shy of 3000 yards in a HS season. Lol, how is that bad? Morris was less than half that last year.

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Matt Barkley, to name one of many. His senior stats www.maxpreps.com/athlet...tt-barkley.htm 

I am not the biggest Morris fan, but high school stats are pretty much meaningless. 

BuckWrestler141 wrote: After seeing Shane Morris first two games (bad), i'm curious to see some names of QBs who put up bad numbers in high school but were still highly regarded and succeeded in college.  I know Robbie Schoenhoft (sp?) for Ohio State a few years back had a poor completion percentage but was a 4/5 star recruit, granted he didn't do anything here though.

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So if Morris is a man among boys, shouldn't his stats be inflated to reflect this?  I realize he isn't surrounded with D1 talent, but he's also not playing against D1 talent.  The two cancel each other out, and his stats should reflect this. 

Jalin Marshall took Middletown (public high school) to play one of the toughest private high schools in St. X and nearly pulled off the upset.  How many kids from Middletown do you think are going on to play D1 football compared to the kids at St. X? 

It's like in baseball, a guy that hits .220 in single A doesn't normally go to the big leagues and hit .330.

Again...this is the 3rd or 4th ranked team in Michigan.  You mean to tell me that the 4th ranked team in Michigan can't block anyone or catch the ball? 

I realize that Michigan HS football is not Ohio HS football, but come on.

St Iggies is ranked 20th in the NATION, not 4 or 5th in michigan. I'm a buckeye fan, but I think this is not indicative of anything regarding Shane

http://www.maxpreps.com/polls/football/xcellent25. htm

a QB is only as good as his receivers.

Yes. De La Salle doesn't have a single player on their roster outside of Morris who is getting a sniff from D1 schools and they played one of the best teams in the country. Watch the tape. You guys just don't quit.

jmancincy wrote:

 

Again...this is the 3rd or 4th ranked team in Michigan.  You mean to tell me that the 4th ranked team in Michigan can't block anyone or catch the ball?