OriginalDCBuck wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

Maize2Blue1997 wrote: I have no dog in this fight and I can tell you that I also cannot stand Lane Kiffen. However, I live in Tennessee and am close friends with MANY Tennessee fans and I can tell you that he absolutely did not get run out of town. People in Knoxville and UT fan all over the state were VERY upset when he decided to leave for USC. They absolutely did want him to stay and were excited about the future with him in charge at UT. Now once he left he is absolutely now the most hated man in the state of TN but to say he was run out of town and not wanted in Knoxville is absolutely false.

Blue C would tell you that this is just a stupid opinion and anybody who has anything to positive to say about Kiffin is a retard and an idiot.

you should be worshiping at the feet of Urban Meyer

You do realize this is an OSU board?  You act as if this board is unique in being myopic towards our players and coaches.  I have been to USC's board and if there is any that gives a lack of respect to others your fans are right up there.  Do you waste all of this board space lecturing them when they behave this way or are we special?

BuckeyeL wrote:

OriginalDCBuck wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

Maize2Blue1997 wrote: I have no dog in this fight and I can tell you that I also cannot stand Lane Kiffen. However, I live in Tennessee and am close friends with MANY Tennessee fans and I can tell you that he absolutely did not get run out of town. People in Knoxville and UT fan all over the state were VERY upset when he decided to leave for USC. They absolutely did want him to stay and were excited about the future with him in charge at UT. Now once he left he is absolutely now the most hated man in the state of TN but to say he was run out of town and not wanted in Knoxville is absolutely false.

Blue C would tell you that this is just a stupid opinion and anybody who has anything to positive to say about Kiffin is a retard and an idiot.

you should be worshiping at the feet of Urban Meyer

You do realize this is an OSU board?  You act as if this board is unique in being myopic towards our players and coaches.  I have been to USC's board and if there is any that gives a lack of respect to others your fans are right up there.  Do you waste all of this board space lecturing them when they behave this way or are we special?

Also not true, USC board > OSU Board

i only venture over there every so often, but i always get treated with respect. Ohio State's board, and i am sad to say this because i really do love the Buckeyes and I wish this wasn't true, is sad. Especially considering the personality of our last head coach. You'd think we would reflect that more. 

ssbucks wrote: I'm really surprised that any top recruits would go to Penn State with a possible Death Penalty or severe sanctions??  Kiffins recruiting is an enigma.  He seemed such a jerk at Tenn. and left there with the program in disarray.  Maybe USC is such a great draw but Robinsons second go round and that guy who couldn't Hackett it sure had mediocre teams.  I just don't see what those kids see in Kiffin.  It must be the Hollywood atmosphere.

CLTBUCKEYE wrote:

ssbucks wrote: I'm really surprised that any top recruits would go to Penn State with a possible Death Penalty or severe sanctions??  Kiffins recruiting is an enigma.  He seemed such a jerk at Tenn. and left there with the program in disarray.  Maybe USC is such a great draw but Robinsons second go round and that guy who couldn't Hackett it sure had mediocre teams.  I just don't see what those kids see in Kiffin.  It must be the Hollywood atmosphere.

mark it down. Ped St will lose a prized recruit in the next week.

USC Walk-On Loses Scholarship To Make Room For Linebacker Recently Released From Jail

(WSCR) Earning a scholarship is every walk-ons dream.

USC walk-on linebacker Will Andrew saw his dream come true when the school awarded him with a scholarship.

Andrew’s dream, however, fell apart when linebacker Simione Vehikite was released from jail last week after serving a little more than three months for leaving the scene of a car accident. Vehikite was driving with a .08 percent blood-alcohol level and sentenced to a year in jail.

After his early release, Vehikite was put back on scholarship by USC head coach Lane Kiffin at the expense of Andrew.



2- Lane Kiffin is a TERRIBLE coach, who even with the best talent in the entire nation, still manages to lose winnable games against teams with inferior players:

STANFORD, Calif. -- Even without Andrew Luck, Stanford still has every answer for Matt Barkley and Southern California.

Josh Nunes threw a go-ahead 37-yard touchdown to Zach Ertz, Stepfan Taylor ran for 153 yards and scored two touchdowns, and No. 21 Stanford upset second-ranked USC 21-14 on Saturday night for its fourth straight win in this series.

Heisman Trophy hopeful Barkley threw for 254 yards and two interceptions while completing only 20 of 41 passes. He was sacked twice on the final drive for the Trojans (2-1, 0-1 Pac-12) and threw out of bounds on a final, desperate heave on fourth-and-39 from USC's 25-yard line.

The Cardinal (3-0, 1-0) are 3-0 for the third straight season and have their longest winning streak ever against the Trojans.






PWNED

On paper, if you let your eyes blur just a little, Lane Kiffin is a genius and a boy wonder. He became the youngest head coach in NFL history with the Raiders, moved on to a plum job at Tennessee, and now heads up one of college football's most historic programs, USC, as the youngest coach of a BCS conference team. He's only 37, but his résumé to date implies someone with a virtuosic football brain, a maturity belying his years, and a precocious instinct for people and systems.

But in fact, the reality doesn't match the perception. Lane Kiffin has made a fool of himself at every career stop, shown a penchant for lying and selfishness, and rarely produced on-the-field results that would seem to justify his meteoric rise. The latest example was Saturday's 21-14 loss at Stanford, which ended USC's national title hopes and sent them plummeting from no. 2 to no. 13 in the AP poll. Before I get into why this might be happening, let's take a quick tour through Kiffin's career highlights.

• After playing backup quarterback at Fresno State and serving four years as a minor assistant with Fresno, Colorado State, and the Jacksonville Jaguars, Kiffin is hired by Pete Carroll to coach the tight ends at USC. He's 26 years old, and the opportunity with USC almost definitely comes (at least in part) because his father is Monte Kiffin, the famous defensive coordinator who won a Super Bowl with the Buccaneers. But to young Kiffin's credit, he seems to excel at Southern Cal, eventually taking over as offensive coordinator when Norm Chow leaves for the Tennessee Titans. He also assumes recruiting duties.
• Al Davis hires Kiffin as head coach of the Raiders in 2007 for two years and $4 million, with an option for a third year. He becomes the youngest head coach in NFL history, but he and Davis immediately clash. After a 4-12 first season, rumors abound that Davis wants to fire Kiffin, but Kiffin refuses to resign and lose the money coming to him in the second year. Finally, in 2008, Davis fires Kiffin after a 1-3 start and holds a bizarre press conference in which he accuses Kiffin of lying about how often he and Davis spoke and leaking information to the press. He uses a projector to display a letter he sent to Kiffin detailing his complaints and threatening termination if things didn't change. After he's fired, Kiffin files a grievance for $2.6 million, which is decided in favor of the Raiders in 2010. Kiffincontinues to fire shots at Davis in major media interviews as late as 2011.
• Tennessee hires Kiffin to replace Phillip Fulmer in November 2008, signing him to a six-year deal worth up to $2.75 million per year. Over the next couple months, Kiffin makes a name for himself in the wrong ways. He starts by guaranteeing a victory over Florida, and then accuses Urban Meyer of committing an NCAA violation by calling a recruit while he was visiting Tennessee. It turns out that Kiffin misunderstood the rule, and that Meyer had not committed a violation, but that Kiffin himself had violated SEC bylaws by bringing it up. Kiffin is forced to apologize. Later, he tells a recruit that he will "end up pumping gas" if he signs with South Carolina, and insults Nick Saban by rubbing it in after signing Lance Thompson, Alabama's main recruiter. In 2009, Kiffin goes 7-5 in his only year with the Vols, losing to Alabama and Florida and falling 37-14 in the Chick-fil-A Bowl to Virginia Tech.
• Kiffin leaves Tennessee after one season, and is forced to pay an $800,000 buyout. He takes his father and Ed Orgeron, his recruiting coordinator, to Southern California. When he announces the move to his team, the players scream at him and accuse him of being a traitor. Angry students block the sports center, start small fires, and riot in reaction to the news. Kiffin leaves amonginquiries of several NCAA violations, including accusations that he used "hostesses" to help convince top recruits to come to Tennessee. A Knoxville attorney files paperwork to name a sewage center near campus after Kiffin.
• Kiffin takes over at USC, and leads the team to an 8-5 record his first year, and 10-2 his second year. USC is ineligible for bowl games due to NCAA violations under Pete Carroll, but the team plays at a high level and is ranked no. 1 in the 2012 preseason. In late July this year, at Pac-12 media day, Kiffin offers sympathetic advice to Penn State coach Bill O'Brien despite the fact that he's in the midst of poaching Nittany Lion running back Silas Redd. In early August, when told that Arizona coach Rich Rodriguez had voted USC no. 1, Kiffin says he would not vote his own team first, despite the fact that he had done exactly that. Instead of admitting fault, Kiffin relinquishes his vote as a form of protest. And last Saturday, Heisman candidate Matt Barkley is held to 20-41 for 254 yards, zero touchdowns, and two interceptions as Kiffin loses to Stanford for the third straight year.

So why does Kiffin keep getting promoted? Why is his career trajectory so impressive when his on-the-field results haven't caught up to his reputation, and his off-the-field antics have been downright humiliating? I have a couple theories, and the truth is probably some combination of the two.

1. Kiffin is a talented, aggressive recruiter and a decent football strategist whose spoiled-brat arrogance constantly undermines his efforts to become a great coach. He stretches rules, misreads interpersonal situations, and issues the wrong kind of challenges to his enemies. People excuse these as the follies of youth, but that's a cop-out; they're the follies of character, and maturity isn't always related to age.

2. Kiffin is the beneficiary of something like The Peter Principle. To steal the Wikipedia definition, this is "a belief that in an organization where promotion is based on achievement, success, and merit, that organization's members will eventually be promoted beyond their level of ability." That definition isn't precisely accurate, so let me tailor it to the world of sports — when the establishment invests enough energy, hype, and time into a personality, that personality runs a huge risk of being critically overvalued.

For an example, look at Harrison Barnes. Coming out of Ames, Iowa, his recruitment process came with an unprecedented level of publicity, and culminated with a now-infamous Skype session in which he announced that he'd be attending UNC. That kind of buildup is more common now, but it wasn't at the time, and he set himself up as one of the most famous incoming freshmen in NCAA history. So what happened? He was named a 2010 preseason All-American, the first time that honor had ever been bestowed on a freshman. As it turned out, he didn't live up to the honor; not even close. So how did the basketball world respond in 2011? By naming him a 2011 preseason All-American. Again, the promise didn't even approach the reality of the disappointing season that ensued, when several key weaknesses were revealed in his game that would prevent him from ever being truly elite. So what happened? A flurry of articles came out arguing that despite a mediocre college career, Barnes would, for some reason, be a good pro. In June, he was drafted seventh by the Golden State Warriors. The myth of Barnes is alive and well, long after the promise of Barnes has died.

It's almost like the basketball world couldn't reconcile the publicity they'd bestowed on Barnes with the reality that he's just not very good. To draw a political parallel, this was like the U.S. involvement in Vietnam, with the underlying idea that because so much time and money and humanity had been invested, it would be impossible to retreat from the original view. Barnes represents the athletic quagmire, in which an obvious conclusion is obscured by the smoke of our expectations.

The athletic quagmire is happening with Lane Kiffin, too. Despite his strengths as a football mind, there are character flaws that assure his failure at every step of his career. I'm not so cynical that I believe people can't change, but I do think anybody who expects superlative, long-term success from Kiffin is deluding himself. The pattern has show no sign of diverging; what has limited him in the past will limit him in the future. And yet, despite the heaps of criticism directed at him from outside the USC bubble, Kiffin will persevere, his aura clouding the vision of those who should be looking straight at the man.

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote: 

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT LANE KIFFIN

Steve Greenberg, Sporting News: "He performed as well as any coach in America in 2011."

David Leon Moore, USA Today: "Lane Kiffin is just flat out getting it done, in recruiting, in organizing and in play-calling. The coaching has been excellent. When a team gets better and better and better all season, that says a lot about coaching."

Ted Miller, ESPN.com: "USC returned to the nation's elite in Year Two under coach Lane Kiffin. With no hope for a conference or national title or even the postseason (in 2011), Kiffin had the Trojans playing their best football."

John Taylor, NBCSports.com: "Considering the sanctions with which Kiffin and the football program had to deal, the coach that everybody loves to hate has done an outstanding job."

Richard Cirminiello, CollegeFootballNews.com: "Troy is back. And much faster than anyone could have imagined. USC is on the verge of reclaiming its old familiar spot as a Pac-12--and national--contender following a month (November 2011) of domination that'll go down as one of the most crucial in recent program history. With nothing tangible to play for, such as bowl berths or hardware, the Trojans used November to build a head of steam, and recapture some of its lost swagger in the wake of the sanctions levied by the NCAA...Lane Kiffin has earned his share of criticism over the years for some of his on-field and off-field antics, but not this season. The coach did a fantastic job of keeping his kids focused amidst distractions, and got them to buy into the long-term mission of the team."

Bruce Feldman, CBS Sports: "Despite the shadow of the NCAA sanctions and no post-season bowl hopes, USC has been rolling in 2011, picking up momentum. They ended Oregon's 21-game home winning streak, which had been the longest in the country. The Trojans finished the season hammering UCLA 50-0, meaning they beat their two archrivals by a combined score of 81-17."

Former UCLA head coach Terry Donahue: "I know there's a lot of controversy around Lane, but people don't have the proper appreciation of his ability to coach. He's a very fine young developing coach and I thought his 2011 team showed really strong progress."

Tom Lemming, MaxPreps.com: "He's personable and the players absolutely love him. He works as hard as any coach in the country."

Matt Hayes, Sporting News: "Kiffin has more than proved he can develop quarterbacks and expose defenses as a play-caller."

Greg Biggins, ESPNRise.com: "To the recruits and parents we've talked to, USC hired Vince Lombardi."

USC quarterback Matt Barkley: "I think it's really good USC has someone who knows Trojan football and the traditions and knows how we rock."

Grant Tunkel, Daily Trojan: "The Kiffin hire was exactly what USC needed to continue the legacy that Pete Carroll built. Hiring Kiffin provides the Trojans with a perfect mix. He is enough of a link to the Carroll era to instill continued confidence in the program from the start, but he's still his own coach with the drive to succeed. He knows the landscape well. He brings with him the mentality necessary to succeed at an elite program. He is young and charismatic, making him the perfect choice to connect with current players and recruit new ones."

Former USC and current Seattle Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll: "It's good that USC acted quickly to get a coach connecting with our history. Lane's going to do great."

Former Tennessee head football coach Johnny Majors: "I was around him at Tennessee. I watched practice, talked to the squad a couple of times, and spent some time in his office. And I believe he is a very good football coach. He's very aggressive and well organized. He's demanding and he and his staff attacked recruiting very aggressively. I think he is going to be very, very successful in the long run."

Former USC All-American and current NFL wide receiver Mike Williams: "God is shining on the Trojan faithful. I couldn't imagine a better pick. I think Kiff is the closest thing you can get to what Coach Carroll brought. It's a no-brainer."

Former USC and NFL wide receiver Keary Colbert: "He's just like Coach Carroll. He's high-spirited and likes to have fun."

Allen Wallace, Scout.com: "Kiffin is one of the best evaluators of talent I've ever come across. He likes to work very hard. I can't imagine a better choice for USC."

Tennessee linebacker Nigel Mitchell-Thornton: "I liked his oomph, liked that energy. He definitely threw you out there on the field and let you compete, which a lot of us liked."

2011 CBSSports.com and CollegeFootballNews.com Pac-12 Coach of the Year

I guess everybody is an idiot or a retard except for....well, not except for you

Circle back and try to defend your guy after all? Make up your mind man, just figure out what you are trying to argue.
When you don't have facts, try opinions. You know the deal with opinions being like ********? Everyone's got one. And the opinions you collected from these ******** is about as impressive as what these same ******** thought about Joe Paterno a year ago. These morons don't know ****. Larry Coker was Coach of the Year too, he won a NC and nearly another with another guys team and players. That's more than Lane Kiffin has done with another guys team.
I like how you have conceded all the facts. Kiffin was collosal embarrassment at Tennessee, his record sucked. His record sucked in Oakland too, and got run out. His first year at USC was pretty shitty, even with all that talent. Last year, he had a super talented team and a veteran QB who would have been a top 5 pick in this past NFL draft. Kiffin didn't do any of that, and his super talented and veteran team still lost 2 games. 
Those are called "the facts." The facts are that Kiffin is not a good coach, he is mediocre at best. Even mediocre coaches can win a lot of games with a ridiculously talented team, see Larry Coker and even Kiffin last year. The facts are that Kiffin is a total douchebag who has never won anything anywhere, never proved he was an expert of anything except snake oil.
Urban Meyer, complete legend. Lane Kiffin, complete douchebag. There is ZERO comparison between the two based on the facts. Can any ******* have an opinion? Sure. Have fun with your scumbag HC, and to all the recruits and family of recruits out there...
I TOLD YOU SO. Just wait.