USC lost their best coach ever, suffered a huge scandal resulting in reduced scholarships, and their recruiting has never been better. And Lane Kiffin is a joke of a HC, he's not Urban Meyer, he's a mediocre coach who has never won or proven anything. Some have argued that Kelly's negligence led to the death of a ND student, but ND's recruiting is fine. Penn St. and Miami 
probably both deserve the death penalty, but both are still getting some good recruits.
OSU had Tressel run out of town in disgrace, a bowl ban and some scholarship reductions, but recruiting for OSU has also never looked better. OSU is the only case you can argue that the HC is so superior that everyone would want to play for him. You couldn't say that about Kiffen or O'Brein, and yet even these mediocre coaches seem to be recruiting strangely well considering that the common wisdom is that scandals are bad and should really hurt recruiting.
Anybody want to try to make sense of a retard like Kiffen riding scandals to the best recruiting classes ever? I know these kids are very, very stupid, but...what?

He's telling them he has a lack of depth and that they're going to play.  Which is true.  The sanctions really haven't hurt them. 

I'm sure the NCAA is noticing this.  Perhaps in the future, they'll find a different way to punish.  3 year Bowl ban would have probably done the job if the intention was to hurt their recruiting.  But then again, that punishes the fans more than the school.  I'm not sure there is an answer. 

BlueCrimson wrote: USC lost their best coach ever, suffered a huge scandal resulting in reduced scholarships, and their recruiting has never been better. And Lane Kiffin is a joke of a HC, he's not Urban Meyer, he's a mediocre coach who has never won or proven anything. Some have argued that Kelly's negligence led to the death of a ND student, but ND's recruiting is fine. Penn St. and Miami 
probably both deserve the death penalty, but both are still getting some good recruits.
OSU had Tressel run out of town in disgrace, a bowl ban and some scholarship reductions, but recruiting for OSU has also never looked better. OSU is the only case you can argue that the HC is so superior that everyone would want to play for him. You couldn't say that about Kiffen or O'Brein, and yet even these mediocre coaches seem to be recruiting strangely well considering that the common wisdom is that scandals are bad and should really hurt recruiting.
Anybody want to try to make sense of a retard like Kiffen riding scandals to the best recruiting classes ever? I know these kids are very, very stupid, but...what?

I wouldn't consider Kiffin a joke of a coach as he went 10-2 last year with nothing to play for.

Most of their recruits are from Cali?

HokeIsFat wrote: I wouldn't consider Kiffin a joke of a coach as he went 10-2 last year with nothing to play for.

The incoming players and their parents agree with you. They can't all be stupid.


***The oddsmakers also agree that he is not a joke of a coach***

The USC Trojans are the current favorites at the online sportsbooks to win the 2013 BCS Championship. Here's a full rundown of the listed college football odds to win the 2013 BCS Championship, from the favored Trojans, Tigers, and Crimson Tide down through the longshot teams in college football.

Odds to Win 2013 BCS Championship Game at BOVADA as of July 3:

USC 3/1
Alabama 11/2
LSU 11/2
Oklahoma 10/1
Florida State 12/1
Oregon 12/1
Georgia 14/1
Arkansas 20/1
Michigan 20/1
Notre Dame 28/1

          California is a very populous state with huge reserves of athletic talent, and USC is one of the most storied football programs in the country.   Just like the kids who grow up in Ohio dream of one day playing for Ohio State (not dreaming of playing for Jim Tressell, Urban Meyer or any coach for that matter), kids growing up in California, especially Southern California, dream of one day playing for the Trojans.   I doubt they view Kiffin as unfavorably as you, but all their lives they have rooted for the Trojans, and few will pass up the opportunity to play there if given the chance.

          And while I much prefer our coach, I don't think your characterization of Kiffin as a joke is deserved.   He is, at least, a good coach, and he has a staff that fits his program well.   Why wouldn't premier athletes choose USC?

          I think it would be great if our new coach gets a chance to give Lane a bit of schoolin' next bowl season.   But I suspect Kiffin will do fine with his coaching skills in the interim.

trojanbeliever wrote:

HokeIsFat wrote: I wouldn't consider Kiffin a joke of a coach as he went 10-2 last year with nothing to play for.

The incoming players and their parents agree with you. They can't all be stupid.


***The oddsmakers also agree that he is not a joke of a coach***

The USC Trojans are the current favorites at the online sportsbooks to win the 2013 BCS Championship. Here's a full rundown of the listed college football odds to win the 2013 BCS Championship, from the favored Trojans, Tigers, and Crimson Tide down through the longshot teams in college football.

Odds to Win 2013 BCS Championship Game at BOVADA as of July 3:

USC 3/1
Alabama 11/2
LSU 11/2
Oklahoma 10/1
Florida State 12/1
Oregon 12/1
Georgia 14/1
Arkansas 20/1
Michigan 20/1
Notre Dame 28/1

Yeah, he lost two games with probably the most talented team in CFB, certainly the most talented west of the Mississippi.
So, USC loses their best coach EVER, replaces him with an NFL reject, mediocre SEC coach after getting hit with the biggest NCAA sanctions in years, and their recruiting improved?
WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? The guys has never won ****, inherited a ridiculously talented team and that makes him a good coach? Why did he suck at Tennessee? He's Larry Coker, some nobody given one of the easiest jobs imaginable. My mother could have gone 10-2 coaching the Trojans last year.
He sure can recruit, though why any top recruits want to play for a guy who's not even the best Kiffin on the coaching staff is beyond me.
Let's just chalk it up to massive, grotesque stupidity and move on then. Kiffin is an obvious scumbag, so suspect more NCAA violations, probably of the recruiting variety given the illogical and inexplicable recruiting success such a mediocre D-bag is having there.
Maybe the recruits see "USC players get paid" and are going there because they think, rightly or wrongly, that that is what happens. But how to explain Kelly, who may have killed an ND student, or PSU and Miami that both deserve the death penalty? Urban Meyer is a legit legendary HC, so guys should want to come from all over to play for him. But Lane Kiffin? Seriouslly? Is there anybody who has ever worked with or played for Lane Kiffin that has anything nice to say about him? I hear even his mother thinks he's a total dick.

I think OSU's recruiting would have trailed off significantly if Tressel was still the coach.  He was set to retire in 2014 and I doubt many players would want to go through a coaching change half way through their career.

In retrospect, we fell in sh!t and came out smelling like a rose.

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

HokeIsFat wrote: I wouldn't consider Kiffin a joke of a coach as he went 10-2 last year with nothing to play for.

The incoming players and their parents agree with you. They can't all be stupid.


***The oddsmakers also agree that he is not a joke of a coach***

The USC Trojans are the current favorites at the online sportsbooks to win the 2013 BCS Championship. Here's a full rundown of the listed college football odds to win the 2013 BCS Championship, from the favored Trojans, Tigers, and Crimson Tide down through the longshot teams in college football.

Odds to Win 2013 BCS Championship Game at BOVADA as of July 3:

USC 3/1
Alabama 11/2
LSU 11/2
Oklahoma 10/1
Florida State 12/1
Oregon 12/1
Georgia 14/1
Arkansas 20/1
Michigan 20/1
Notre Dame 28/1

Yeah, he lost two games with probably the most talented team in CFB, certainly the most talented west of the Mississippi.
So, USC loses their best coach EVER, (many consider John McKay our best coach ever with 4 NC's) replaces him with an NFL reject, mediocre SEC coach after getting hit with the biggest NCAA sanctions in years, and their recruiting improved?

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?

Meyer got his first job at Bowling Green at age 37 - went 17-6 his first two years

Kiffin got his job at SC at age 35 - went 18-7 first first two years with bowl game bans and recruiting sanctions that included juniors and seniors having the ability to leave with no restrictions


The guys has never won ****, inherited a ridiculously talented team and that makes him a good coach? Why did he suck at Tennessee?   Kiffin led the Vols to a 7-6 record in 2009, an improvement from their 5-7 record in 2008. The Vols increased their offensive output by more than 60 percent in 2009 with Kiffin calling the offensive plays

He's Larry Coker, some nobody given one of the easiest jobs imaginable. My mother could have gone 10-2 coaching the Trojans last year.
He sure can recruit, though why any top recruits want to play for a guy who's not even the best Kiffin on the coaching staff is beyond me.
Let's just chalk it up to massive, grotesque stupidity and move on then. Kiffin is an obvious scumbag, so suspect more NCAA violations, probably of the recruiting variety given the illogical and inexplicable recruiting success such a mediocre D-bag is having there.
Maybe the recruits see "USC players get paid" and are going there because they think, rightly or wrongly, that that is what happens. But how to explain Kelly, who may have killed an ND student, or PSU and Miami that both deserve the death penalty? Urban Meyer is a legit legendary HC, so guys should want to come from all over to play for him. But Lane Kiffin? Seriouslly? Is there anybody who has ever worked with or played for Lane Kiffin that has anything nice to say about him? I hear even his mother thinks he's a total dick.

trojanbeliever wrote:

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

HokeIsFat wrote: I wouldn't consider Kiffin a joke of a coach as he went 10-2 last year with nothing to play for.

The incoming players and their parents agree with you. They can't all be stupid.


***The oddsmakers also agree that he is not a joke of a coach***

The USC Trojans are the current favorites at the online sportsbooks to win the 2013 BCS Championship. Here's a full rundown of the listed college football odds to win the 2013 BCS Championship, from the favored Trojans, Tigers, and Crimson Tide down through the longshot teams in college football.

Odds to Win 2013 BCS Championship Game at BOVADA as of July 3:

USC 3/1
Alabama 11/2
LSU 11/2
Oklahoma 10/1
Florida State 12/1
Oregon 12/1
Georgia 14/1
Arkansas 20/1
Michigan 20/1
Notre Dame 28/1

Yeah, he lost two games with probably the most talented team in CFB, certainly the most talented west of the Mississippi.
So, USC loses their best coach EVER, (many consider John McKay our best coach ever with 4 NC's) replaces him with an NFL reject, mediocre SEC coach after getting hit with the biggest NCAA sanctions in years, and their recruiting improved?

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?

Meyer got his first job at Bowling Green at age 37 - went 17-6 his first two years

Kiffin got his job at SC at age 35 - went 18-7 first first two years with bowl game bans and recruiting sanctions that included juniors and seniors having the ability to leave with no restrictions


The guys has never won ****, inherited a ridiculously talented team and that makes him a good coach? Why did he suck at Tennessee?   Kiffin led the Vols to a 7-6 record in 2009, an improvement from their 5-7 record in 2008. The Vols increased their offensive output by more than 60 percent in 2009 with Kiffin calling the offensive plays

He's Larry Coker, some nobody given one of the easiest jobs imaginable. My mother could have gone 10-2 coaching the Trojans last year.
He sure can recruit, though why any top recruits want to play for a guy who's not even the best Kiffin on the coaching staff is beyond me.
Let's just chalk it up to massive, grotesque stupidity and move on then. Kiffin is an obvious scumbag, so suspect more NCAA violations, probably of the recruiting variety given the illogical and inexplicable recruiting success such a mediocre D-bag is having there.
Maybe the recruits see "USC players get paid" and are going there because they think, rightly or wrongly, that that is what happens. But how to explain Kelly, who may have killed an ND student, or PSU and Miami that both deserve the death penalty? Urban Meyer is a legit legendary HC, so guys should want to come from all over to play for him. But Lane Kiffin? Seriouslly? Is there anybody who has ever worked with or played for Lane Kiffin that has anything nice to say about him? I hear even his mother thinks he's a total dick.

So, your defense of Lane Kiffin is that he lost one more game at USC than Urban Meyer did in his first two years at Bowling Green? With vastly superior talent, facilities, etc., your guy, Kiffin, still lost one more game than Urban Meyer did at Podunk U? And you think that is a defense of Lane Kiffin?
Wow, so Lane Kiffin took the Vols from 5-7 all the way up to 7-6. Let' see, one of those wins was against an FCS team, Western Kentucky, so he only beat 6 div 1 teams. He lost to UCLA, no wonder USC hired him, but managed to beat such powerhouses as Ohio, Memphis, Vanderbilt and Kentucky, in OT. 4 of his 6 Div 1 wins came against total crap teams. He had a close loss against Alabama, but got destroyed several times, 17-42 at Ole Miss and 14-37 vs VTech in the ChickfilA Bowl.
Larry Coker has done more than Lane Kiffin ever did. Kiffin is a shitty, mediocre coach, who got the ridiculous job of a lifetime not based on any apparent talent or ability. And is now recruiting like he actually knows what he is doing. Could almost any HC have gone 7-6 at Tennessee in 2009? Yeah. Could almost any HC had gone 10-2 last year at USC? Yeah. Can Lane Kiffin even hold Urban Meyer's jockstrap? No.
Kiffin is a punk, a no-talent scumbag and anyone who is just dying to play for Kiffin is either dirty like Reggie Bush, or just a ******* retard, like you are.
Do you feel pwned yet? Cuz it kinda feels like you're pwned.

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

HokeIsFat wrote: I wouldn't consider Kiffin a joke of a coach as he went 10-2 last year with nothing to play for.

The incoming players and their parents agree with you. They can't all be stupid.


***The oddsmakers also agree that he is not a joke of a coach***

The USC Trojans are the current favorites at the online sportsbooks to win the 2013 BCS Championship. Here's a full rundown of the listed college football odds to win the 2013 BCS Championship, from the favored Trojans, Tigers, and Crimson Tide down through the longshot teams in college football.

Odds to Win 2013 BCS Championship Game at BOVADA as of July 3:

USC 3/1
Alabama 11/2
LSU 11/2
Oklahoma 10/1
Florida State 12/1
Oregon 12/1
Georgia 14/1
Arkansas 20/1
Michigan 20/1
Notre Dame 28/1

Yeah, he lost two games with probably the most talented team in CFB, certainly the most talented west of the Mississippi.
So, USC loses their best coach EVER, (many consider John McKay our best coach ever with 4 NC's) replaces him with an NFL reject, mediocre SEC coach after getting hit with the biggest NCAA sanctions in years, and their recruiting improved?

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?

Meyer got his first job at Bowling Green at age 37 - went 17-6 his first two years

Kiffin got his job at SC at age 35 - went 18-7 first first two years with bowl game bans and recruiting sanctions that included juniors and seniors having the ability to leave with no restrictions


The guys has never won ****, inherited a ridiculously talented team and that makes him a good coach? Why did he suck at Tennessee?   Kiffin led the Vols to a 7-6 record in 2009, an improvement from their 5-7 record in 2008. The Vols increased their offensive output by more than 60 percent in 2009 with Kiffin calling the offensive plays

He's Larry Coker, some nobody given one of the easiest jobs imaginable. My mother could have gone 10-2 coaching the Trojans last year.
He sure can recruit, though why any top recruits want to play for a guy who's not even the best Kiffin on the coaching staff is beyond me.
Let's just chalk it up to massive, grotesque stupidity and move on then. Kiffin is an obvious scumbag, so suspect more NCAA violations, probably of the recruiting variety given the illogical and inexplicable recruiting success such a mediocre D-bag is having there.
Maybe the recruits see "USC players get paid" and are going there because they think, rightly or wrongly, that that is what happens. But how to explain Kelly, who may have killed an ND student, or PSU and Miami that both deserve the death penalty? Urban Meyer is a legit legendary HC, so guys should want to come from all over to play for him. But Lane Kiffin? Seriouslly? Is there anybody who has ever worked with or played for Lane Kiffin that has anything nice to say about him? I hear even his mother thinks he's a total dick.

So, your defense of Lane Kiffin is that he lost one more game at USC than Urban Meyer did in his first two years at Bowling Green? With vastly superior talent, facilities, etc., your guy, Kiffin, still lost one more game than Urban Meyer did at Podunk U? And you think that is a defense of Lane Kiffin?
Wow, so Lane Kiffin took the Vols from 5-7 all the way up to 7-6. Let' see, one of those wins was against an FCS team, Western Kentucky, so he only beat 6 div 1 teams. He lost to UCLA, no wonder USC hired him, but managed to beat such powerhouses as Ohio, Memphis, Vanderbilt and Kentucky, in OT. 4 of his 6 Div 1 wins came against total crap teams. He had a close loss against Alabama, but got destroyed several times, 17-42 at Ole Miss and 14-37 vs VTech in the ChickfilA Bowl.
Larry Coker has done more than Lane Kiffin ever did. Kiffin is a shitty, mediocre coach, who got the ridiculous job of a lifetime not based on any apparent talent or ability. And is now recruiting like he actually knows what he is doing. Could almost any HC have gone 7-6 at Tennessee in 2009? Yeah. Could almost any HC had gone 10-2 last year at USC? Yeah. Can Lane Kiffin even hold Urban Meyer's jockstrap? No.
Kiffin is a punk, a no-talent scumbag and anyone who is just dying to play for Kiffin is either dirty like Reggie Bush, or just a ******* retard, like you are.
Do you feel pwned yet? Cuz it kinda feels like you're pwned.

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?


Everything I posted was factual - your post is all hate based opinion

The bottom line is that we really don't know how good of a coach that Kiffin is.

He's 30-28 as a HC, we shall see.

I think it's more of a changing of the guard vs the scandals that have helped with some of the recruiting successes of these schools.

trojanbeliever wrote:

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

HokeIsFat wrote: I wouldn't consider Kiffin a joke of a coach as he went 10-2 last year with nothing to play for.

The incoming players and their parents agree with you. They can't all be stupid.


***The oddsmakers also agree that he is not a joke of a coach***

The USC Trojans are the current favorites at the online sportsbooks to win the 2013 BCS Championship. Here's a full rundown of the listed college football odds to win the 2013 BCS Championship, from the favored Trojans, Tigers, and Crimson Tide down through the longshot teams in college football.

Odds to Win 2013 BCS Championship Game at BOVADA as of July 3:

USC 3/1
Alabama 11/2
LSU 11/2
Oklahoma 10/1
Florida State 12/1
Oregon 12/1
Georgia 14/1
Arkansas 20/1
Michigan 20/1
Notre Dame 28/1

Yeah, he lost two games with probably the most talented team in CFB, certainly the most talented west of the Mississippi.
So, USC loses their best coach EVER, (many consider John McKay our best coach ever with 4 NC's) replaces him with an NFL reject, mediocre SEC coach after getting hit with the biggest NCAA sanctions in years, and their recruiting improved?

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?

Meyer got his first job at Bowling Green at age 37 - went 17-6 his first two years

Kiffin got his job at SC at age 35 - went 18-7 first first two years with bowl game bans and recruiting sanctions that included juniors and seniors having the ability to leave with no restrictions


The guys has never won ****, inherited a ridiculously talented team and that makes him a good coach? Why did he suck at Tennessee?   Kiffin led the Vols to a 7-6 record in 2009, an improvement from their 5-7 record in 2008. The Vols increased their offensive output by more than 60 percent in 2009 with Kiffin calling the offensive plays

He's Larry Coker, some nobody given one of the easiest jobs imaginable. My mother could have gone 10-2 coaching the Trojans last year.
He sure can recruit, though why any top recruits want to play for a guy who's not even the best Kiffin on the coaching staff is beyond me.
Let's just chalk it up to massive, grotesque stupidity and move on then. Kiffin is an obvious scumbag, so suspect more NCAA violations, probably of the recruiting variety given the illogical and inexplicable recruiting success such a mediocre D-bag is having there.
Maybe the recruits see "USC players get paid" and are going there because they think, rightly or wrongly, that that is what happens. But how to explain Kelly, who may have killed an ND student, or PSU and Miami that both deserve the death penalty? Urban Meyer is a legit legendary HC, so guys should want to come from all over to play for him. But Lane Kiffin? Seriouslly? Is there anybody who has ever worked with or played for Lane Kiffin that has anything nice to say about him? I hear even his mother thinks he's a total dick.

So, your defense of Lane Kiffin is that he lost one more game at USC than Urban Meyer did in his first two years at Bowling Green? With vastly superior talent, facilities, etc., your guy, Kiffin, still lost one more game than Urban Meyer did at Podunk U? And you think that is a defense of Lane Kiffin?
Wow, so Lane Kiffin took the Vols from 5-7 all the way up to 7-6. Let' see, one of those wins was against an FCS team, Western Kentucky, so he only beat 6 div 1 teams. He lost to UCLA, no wonder USC hired him, but managed to beat such powerhouses as Ohio, Memphis, Vanderbilt and Kentucky, in OT. 4 of his 6 Div 1 wins came against total crap teams. He had a close loss against Alabama, but got destroyed several times, 17-42 at Ole Miss and 14-37 vs VTech in the ChickfilA Bowl.
Larry Coker has done more than Lane Kiffin ever did. Kiffin is a shitty, mediocre coach, who got the ridiculous job of a lifetime not based on any apparent talent or ability. And is now recruiting like he actually knows what he is doing. Could almost any HC have gone 7-6 at Tennessee in 2009? Yeah. Could almost any HC had gone 10-2 last year at USC? Yeah. Can Lane Kiffin even hold Urban Meyer's jockstrap? No.
Kiffin is a punk, a no-talent scumbag and anyone who is just dying to play for Kiffin is either dirty like Reggie Bush, or just a ******* retard, like you are.
Do you feel pwned yet? Cuz it kinda feels like you're pwned.

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?


Everything I posted was factual - your post is all hate based opinion

Meyer turned around a crap Bowling Green team, then moved to Utah and built them up to an undefeated season and then went to win 2 NCs at Florida.
Kiffen was run out of Oakland, and when you're too much of a scumbag for Al Davis, you're an Olympian of D-baggery. He then goes 6-6 against division 1 teams one year at Tennessee, with one win being OT so he could easily have had a losing record, after embaassing himself and predicting huge things before starting the season. Yeah, 6-6. After that humiliating failure for those predicted big things, he jumps to USC where goes barely over .500 his first year with a still loaded team and manages to lose two games last season even with much more talent than every team he played.
Urban has moved up in the world, the difference is that BG, Utah and Florida would all love to have him back, and wanted him to stay. Nobody who ever worked with Kiffin wants to see him again. He has burned brigdes everywhere he has ever been, he has been a scumbag everywhere he's been. When I say that Kiffin never holds a job, I mean because he screws up so badly that he's leaving town a step ahead of the Sheriff. When Meyer leaves, everyone is begging him to stay. Both USC and OSU are top programs, but Meyer proved himself and earned the job. Kiffin has only proved himself to be a scrub with the Devil's luck.
You know what that feeling is? Yeah, pwnage.

I think when everything comes out about Penn State (kind of like it has today), their recruiting is going to take a big hit.

BlueCrimson wrote: USC lost their best coach ever, suffered a huge scandal resulting in reduced scholarships, and their recruiting has never been better. And Lane Kiffin is a joke of a HC, he's not Urban Meyer, he's a mediocre coach who has never won or proven anything. Some have argued that Kelly's negligence led to the death of a ND student, but ND's recruiting is fine. Penn St. and Miami 
probably both deserve the death penalty, but both are still getting some good recruits.
OSU had Tressel run out of town in disgrace, a bowl ban and some scholarship reductions, but recruiting for OSU has also never looked better. OSU is the only case you can argue that the HC is so superior that everyone would want to play for him. You couldn't say that about Kiffen or O'Brein, and yet even these mediocre coaches seem to be recruiting strangely well considering that the common wisdom is that scandals are bad and should really hurt recruiting.
Anybody want to try to make sense of a retard like Kiffen riding scandals to the best recruiting classes ever? I know these kids are very, very stupid, but...what?

Are you really this dense? Schools like tOSU, USC, Florida, Alabama,etc.basically recruit themselves. As long as you have a competent HC, w/the respect and support of the team and boosters, the recruits will keep flowing. Everyone likes to howl and debate about who the best recruiter is, but let's be honest-if Urban Meyer was at Iowa State, or Nick Saban was at Purdue-do you really think they wouldbe getting recruits like they do at tOSU or Bama-absolutely not. By the same token, I imagine that if you took a totally unknown but smart,competent, and personable coordinator from a 1-AA school and made them HC at USC or Florida State,they would amaze people w/ their recruiting ability.
There are some jobs-Washington State,Arizona,Nebraska,Vanderbilt-where having a poor recruiter as HC is the kiss of death-the HC needs to get out and work his tail off on the recruiting trail for success. Coaches as schoolslike I just mentioned need to punch above their weight on the recruiting trail. Guys in warm weather states-or tOSU-they just need to be smart in their player evaluations in regards to character, work ethic,academics,etc-the football talent recruits itself.
As far as Lane Kiffin goes, he did a damn good job last year-Stanford had probably the best team in the history of the school last year, and as for Arizona State-sometimes teams lose to teams they shouldn't-even in the NFL.

golfbum88 wrote: I think OSU's recruiting would have trailed off significantly if Tressel was still the coach.  He was set to retire in 2014 and I doubt many players would want to go through a coaching change half way through their career.

In retrospect, we fell in sh!t and came out smelling like a rose.

This is true-JT was supposedly set to retire as you say, so getting UM right now was definitely a good thing-and a bit of a blessing in disguise as you say. HAD JT stayed, I imagine the powers that be would have had a much better succession plan in place than we saw in 11'!'

Not this year. They have pulled the top player from Washington, Illinois, Maryland, one of the top players from Texas, are the huge favorites to get the top player from Tennessee(Ramsey) in a few days, and are in the final few for the top player in Arizona(Priest Willis) and arguably the best from Florida(Hargreaves).

ChrisBeanieWells28 wrote: Most of their recruits are from Cali?

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

BlueCrimson wrote:

trojanbeliever wrote:

HokeIsFat wrote: I wouldn't consider Kiffin a joke of a coach as he went 10-2 last year with nothing to play for.

The incoming players and their parents agree with you. They can't all be stupid.


***The oddsmakers also agree that he is not a joke of a coach***

The USC Trojans are the current favorites at the online sportsbooks to win the 2013 BCS Championship. Here's a full rundown of the listed college football odds to win the 2013 BCS Championship, from the favored Trojans, Tigers, and Crimson Tide down through the longshot teams in college football.

Odds to Win 2013 BCS Championship Game at BOVADA as of July 3:

USC 3/1
Alabama 11/2
LSU 11/2
Oklahoma 10/1
Florida State 12/1
Oregon 12/1
Georgia 14/1
Arkansas 20/1
Michigan 20/1
Notre Dame 28/1

Yeah, he lost two games with probably the most talented team in CFB, certainly the most talented west of the Mississippi.
So, USC loses their best coach EVER, (many consider John McKay our best coach ever with 4 NC's) replaces him with an NFL reject, mediocre SEC coach after getting hit with the biggest NCAA sanctions in years, and their recruiting improved?

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?

Meyer got his first job at Bowling Green at age 37 - went 17-6 his first two years

Kiffin got his job at SC at age 35 - went 18-7 first first two years with bowl game bans and recruiting sanctions that included juniors and seniors having the ability to leave with no restrictions


The guys has never won ****, inherited a ridiculously talented team and that makes him a good coach? Why did he suck at Tennessee?   Kiffin led the Vols to a 7-6 record in 2009, an improvement from their 5-7 record in 2008. The Vols increased their offensive output by more than 60 percent in 2009 with Kiffin calling the offensive plays

He's Larry Coker, some nobody given one of the easiest jobs imaginable. My mother could have gone 10-2 coaching the Trojans last year.
He sure can recruit, though why any top recruits want to play for a guy who's not even the best Kiffin on the coaching staff is beyond me.
Let's just chalk it up to massive, grotesque stupidity and move on then. Kiffin is an obvious scumbag, so suspect more NCAA violations, probably of the recruiting variety given the illogical and inexplicable recruiting success such a mediocre D-bag is having there.
Maybe the recruits see "USC players get paid" and are going there because they think, rightly or wrongly, that that is what happens. But how to explain Kelly, who may have killed an ND student, or PSU and Miami that both deserve the death penalty? Urban Meyer is a legit legendary HC, so guys should want to come from all over to play for him. But Lane Kiffin? Seriouslly? Is there anybody who has ever worked with or played for Lane Kiffin that has anything nice to say about him? I hear even his mother thinks he's a total dick.

So, your defense of Lane Kiffin is that he lost one more game at USC than Urban Meyer did in his first two years at Bowling Green? With vastly superior talent, facilities, etc., your guy, Kiffin, still lost one more game than Urban Meyer did at Podunk U? And you think that is a defense of Lane Kiffin?
Wow, so Lane Kiffin took the Vols from 5-7 all the way up to 7-6. Let' see, one of those wins was against an FCS team, Western Kentucky, so he only beat 6 div 1 teams. He lost to UCLA, no wonder USC hired him, but managed to beat such powerhouses as Ohio, Memphis, Vanderbilt and Kentucky, in OT. 4 of his 6 Div 1 wins came against total crap teams. He had a close loss against Alabama, but got destroyed several times, 17-42 at Ole Miss and 14-37 vs VTech in the ChickfilA Bowl.
Larry Coker has done more than Lane Kiffin ever did. Kiffin is a shitty, mediocre coach, who got the ridiculous job of a lifetime not based on any apparent talent or ability. And is now recruiting like he actually knows what he is doing. Could almost any HC have gone 7-6 at Tennessee in 2009? Yeah. Could almost any HC had gone 10-2 last year at USC? Yeah. Can Lane Kiffin even hold Urban Meyer's jockstrap? No.
Kiffin is a punk, a no-talent scumbag and anyone who is just dying to play for Kiffin is either dirty like Reggie Bush, or just a ******* retard, like you are.
Do you feel pwned yet? Cuz it kinda feels like you're pwned.

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?


Everything I posted was factual - your post is all hate based opinion

Meyer turned around a crap Bowling Green team, then moved to Utah and built them up to an undefeated season and then went to win 2 NCs at Florida.
Kiffen was run out of Oakland, and when you're too much of a scumbag for Al Davis, you're an Olympian of D-baggery. He then goes 6-6 against division 1 teams one year at Tennessee, with one win being OT so he could easily have had a losing record, after embaassing himself and predicting huge things before starting the season. Yeah, 6-6. After that humiliating failure for those predicted big things, he jumps to USC where goes barely over .500 his first year with a still loaded team and manages to lose two games last season even with much more talent than every team he played.
Urban has moved up in the world, the difference is that BG, Utah and Florida would all love to have him back, and wanted him to stay. Nobody who ever worked with Kiffin wants to see him again. He has burned brigdes everywhere he has ever been, he has been a scumbag everywhere he's been. When I say that Kiffin never holds a job, I mean because he screws up so badly that he's leaving town a step ahead of the Sheriff. When Meyer leaves, everyone is begging him to stay. Both USC and OSU are top programs, but Meyer proved himself and earned the job. Kiffin has only proved himself to be a scrub with the Devil's luck.
You know what that feeling is? Yeah, pwnage.

WTF? Has Kiffin ever had a job longer than 3-4 years? Urban Meyers first two head coaching jobs were 2 years at each school - WTF?


nothing but a Hater .....how very sad

I think the name TROJANS has some protective elements that make it appealing for young men.