OhiozFinezt wrote:

mongoose wrote: 
Yeah Bosa is one of those guys that will be interesting to follow and see what position ideally ends up suiting him/team best in college. I suppose I could just go look at your guys class, but I'd rather talk to fans and see what they think. So who all do you guys got coming in that will be playing DE?

Noah Spence is gonna take over Simon's spot even though he's only a sophomore. Who's on the other side will be a mystery. Could be Michael Bennett but i'm not sure. SeVon Pittman should hopefully make the progress and get on the field sometime this year on DE

What about that Washington kid who took Lewan's lunch on that one play? Is he going to be rotating with Spence, man you guys are loaded on Dline.

mongoose wrote:

BuckMike wrote: Scout has OSU & Mich's classes ranked #1 & #2.  Here are the position rankings (top 15):

QB:  OSU - NR  Mich - #11
RB:  OSU - #6  Mich - #2 
WR/TE:  OSU - #6  Mich - #12
OL:  OSU - NR  Mich - #1
DL:  OSU - #2  Mich - #12
LB:  OSU - #7  Mich - NR
DB:  OSU - #1  Mich - #3

Future matchups with OSU's DL vs Mich's OL should be some very good wars in the trenches !

What would you guys rather have if you were a head football coach and in control. An elite Oline and an average Dline or an Elite Dline and an average Oline? What do you think helps win more football games and why? Or do you think they are equally important?

And yes the trenches battle will be awesome to watch moving forward. I love the trenches and I love a good solid defensive team. Not really a fan of Oregon's style of play. Don't like that 3-3-5 defense they play, though this year they had Dion Jordan as a Joker/Nickle so it was more of an honest front rather then what Michigan tried to do it defensively with Rich Rod.

Defense. All day, every day IMO.

mongoose wrote:

BuckMike wrote: Scout has OSU & Mich's classes ranked #1 & #2.  Here are the position rankings (top 15):

QB:  OSU - NR  Mich - #11
RB:  OSU - #6  Mich - #2 
WR/TE:  OSU - #6  Mich - #12
OL:  OSU - NR  Mich - #1
DL:  OSU - #2  Mich - #12
LB:  OSU - #7  Mich - NR
DB:  OSU - #1  Mich - #3

Future matchups with OSU's DL vs Mich's OL should be some very good wars in the trenches !

What would you guys rather have if you were a head football coach and in control. An elite Oline and an average Dline or an Elite Dline and an average Oline? What do you think helps win more football games and why? Or do you think they are equally important?

And yes the trenches battle will be awesome to watch moving forward. I love the trenches and I love a good solid defensive team. Not really a fan of Oregon's style of play. Don't like that 3-3-5 defense they play, though this year they had Dion Jordan as a Joker/Nickle so it was more of an honest front rather then what Michigan tried to do it defensively with Rich Rod.

IMO an Elite D-line is the most important, I think OL is important too, but some deficiencies can be hidden with scheme. With dlines they are either good or not, and scheming to make up for them requires tying up linebackers.

mongoose wrote:

OhiozFinezt wrote:

mongoose wrote: 
Yeah Bosa is one of those guys that will be interesting to follow and see what position ideally ends up suiting him/team best in college. I suppose I could just go look at your guys class, but I'd rather talk to fans and see what they think. So who all do you guys got coming in that will be playing DE?

Noah Spence is gonna take over Simon's spot even though he's only a sophomore. Who's on the other side will be a mystery. Could be Michael Bennett but i'm not sure. SeVon Pittman should hopefully make the progress and get on the field sometime this year on DE

What about that Washington kid who took Lewan's lunch on that one play? Is he going to be rotating with Spence, man you guys are loaded on Dline.

Washington was going as DT for a bit last year, I think he might move back outside. Schutt (freshman) played DT a decent amount last year. Bennet is a stud and could play DT or SSDE but was injured most of the year last year.

Also as an above poster said, I expect Pittman to get good minutes this year at one of the spots.

mongoose wrote:

OhiozFinezt wrote:

mongoose wrote: 
Yeah Bosa is one of those guys that will be interesting to follow and see what position ideally ends up suiting him/team best in college. I suppose I could just go look at your guys class, but I'd rather talk to fans and see what they think. So who all do you guys got coming in that will be playing DE?

Noah Spence is gonna take over Simon's spot even though he's only a sophomore. Who's on the other side will be a mystery. Could be Michael Bennett but i'm not sure. SeVon Pittman should hopefully make the progress and get on the field sometime this year on DE

What about that Washington kid who took Lewan's lunch on that one play? Is he going to be rotating with Spence, man you guys are loaded on Dline.

Our DL will probably be Washington at SSDE, Spence at WDE, and a combination of Tommy Schutt, Michael Bennett, and Joel Hale at the 2 DTs 

Steve Miller, Sevon Pittman, Bosa, and some others should get in the rotation fairly regularly too.

mongoose wrote: 
What about that Washington kid who took Lewan's lunch on that one play? Is he going to be rotating with Spence, man you guys are loaded on Dline.

Washington will take the lead that Hankins had at DT. Washington and Spence will definitely be starters because they were 2 5* recruits that played alot as freshman. Now who mainly plays the other DT position next to him, I'm not sure about who will get the starting nod because we just lost a few players that started on the D-Line so whoever the coaches like in spring will likely get the nod. Schutt would be a good guess though. Who's gonna be your' starting O-Line? I know Lewan for sure

otterbeinbuckeye wrote: 
Our DL will probably be Washington at SSDE, Spence at WDE, and a combination of Tommy Schutt, Michael Bennett, and Joel Hale at the 2 DTs 

Steve Miller, Sevon Pittman, Bosa, and some others should get in the rotation fairly regularly too.

I personally like Washington at DT. He put some major size on him from when he first got into camp. He's wide and has good speed and I think that could cause havoc on the interior of lines. I'd rather have Pittman start opposite of Spence. Spence, Washington, Schutt, and Pittman/Bennett...I'd like that lineup

otterbeinbuckeye wrote:

mongoose wrote:

BuckMike wrote: Scout has OSU & Mich's classes ranked #1 & #2.  Here are the position rankings (top 15):

QB:  OSU - NR  Mich - #11
RB:  OSU - #6  Mich - #2 
WR/TE:  OSU - #6  Mich - #12
OL:  OSU - NR  Mich - #1
DL:  OSU - #2  Mich - #12
LB:  OSU - #7  Mich - NR
DB:  OSU - #1  Mich - #3

Future matchups with OSU's DL vs Mich's OL should be some very good wars in the trenches !

What would you guys rather have if you were a head football coach and in control. An elite Oline and an average Dline or an Elite Dline and an average Oline? What do you think helps win more football games and why? Or do you think they are equally important?

And yes the trenches battle will be awesome to watch moving forward. I love the trenches and I love a good solid defensive team. Not really a fan of Oregon's style of play. Don't like that 3-3-5 defense they play, though this year they had Dion Jordan as a Joker/Nickle so it was more of an honest front rather then what Michigan tried to do it defensively with Rich Rod.

IMO an Elite D-line is the most important, I think OL is important too, but some deficiencies can be hidden with scheme. With dlines they are either good or not, and scheming to make up for them requires tying up linebackers.

Yeah you definitely want your LBs in space making plays. I'm really looking forward to watching tape on Shazier next year. That kid stood out so much for a Sophomore(I believe he is a Soph) and out of all the college ball I watched so far this year he is easily one of the top 3 hardest hitting players out there, super explosive for a LB in space too.

Overall even though I love Mich's Oline class that they have coming in, I love power downhill football. I'm still a huge believer in Defense, especially Dline. I'm hoping Mich can recruit the Dline next year like OSU has been the last 2 years. So yeah the fact that you can scheme weaknesses so much easier on the Oline than you can on the Dline I would agree. Defense is where it is at.

Hoping to see some very hard hitting one possession games for the next 10 years. Nothing like some smash mouth football going back in forth imo.

OhiozFinezt wrote:

otterbeinbuckeye wrote: 
Our DL will probably be Washington at SSDE, Spence at WDE, and a combination of Tommy Schutt, Michael Bennett, and Joel Hale at the 2 DTs 

Steve Miller, Sevon Pittman, Bosa, and some others should get in the rotation fairly regularly too.

I personally like Washington at DT. He put some major size on him from when he first got into camp. He's wide and has good speed and I think that could cause havoc on the interior of lines. I'd rather have Pittman start opposite of Spence. Spence, Washington, Schutt, and Pittman...I'd like that lineup

I don't. I think his best position and his NFL position is DE. He disappeared for a while in the middle of the season last year when they moved him to DT, but by the end of the year he was moved back to DE.

I think at DE he has a combination of elite size strength and athleticism. At DT he has the same elite athleticism, but his size and strength advantages are taken away. Any freshman that can abuse Taylor Lewan like that should never be moved unless there is no other choice. Also needing Pittman to start may be too much, I dont think he even played last year.

mongoose wrote: 

Yeah you definitely want your LBs in space making plays. I'm really looking forward to watching tape on Shazier next year. That kid stood out so much for a Sophomore(I believe he is a Soph) and out of all the college ball I watched so far this year he is easily one of the top 3 hardest hitting players out there, super explosive for a LB in space too.

Overall even though I love Mich's Oline class that they have coming in, I love power downhill football. I'm still a huge believer in Defense, especially Dline. I'm hoping Mich can recruit the Dline next year like OSU has been the last 2 years. So yeah the fact that you can scheme weaknesses so much easier on the Oline than you can on the Dline I would agree. Defense is where it is at.

Hoping to see some very hard hitting one possession games for the next 10 years. Nothing like some smash mouth football going back in forth imo.

Shazier should've been starting from Day 1 as a freshman. Started off having a tough start but came on really strong at the end. That Poggi kid you guys got is a real nice player. I watched him play on one of the all-star teams on tv and he was making plays. He's definitely a good pickup

otterbeinbuckeye wrote:

OhiozFinezt wrote:

otterbeinbuckeye wrote: 
Our DL will probably be Washington at SSDE, Spence at WDE, and a combination of Tommy Schutt, Michael Bennett, and Joel Hale at the 2 DTs 

Steve Miller, Sevon Pittman, Bosa, and some others should get in the rotation fairly regularly too.

I personally like Washington at DT. He put some major size on him from when he first got into camp. He's wide and has good speed and I think that could cause havoc on the interior of lines. I'd rather have Pittman start opposite of Spence. Spence, Washington, Schutt, and Pittman...I'd like that lineup

I don't. I think his best position and his NFL position is DE. He disappeared for a while in the middle of the season last year when they moved him to DT, but by the end of the year he was moved back to DE.

I think at DE he has a combination of elite size strength and athleticism. At DT he has the same elite athleticism, but his size and strength advantages are taken away. Any freshman that can abuse Taylor Lewan like that should never be moved unless there is no other choice. Also needing Pittman to start may be too much, I dont think he even played last year.

Guess i'll have to see how he progresses this year. Probably the time you say he disappeared is when the whole defense was having serious trouble...and I don't wanna remember anything about that haha

OhiozFinezt wrote:

mongoose wrote: 
What about that Washington kid who took Lewan's lunch on that one play? Is he going to be rotating with Spence, man you guys are loaded on Dline.

Washington will take the lead that Hankins had at DT. Washington and Spence will definitely be starters because they were 2 5* recruits that played alot as freshman. Now who mainly plays the other DT position next to him, I'm not sure about who will get the starting nod because we just lost a few players that started on the D-Line so whoever the coaches like in spring will likely get the nod. Schutt would be a good guess though. Who's gonna be your' starting O-Line? I know Lewan for sure

Lewan at LT, Kalis at LG, and Schofield at RT. C and RG are up in the air as far as I know, and will be a question mark initially. Some one else maybe able to answer that better then I could for prospective starter at C and RG. Would be nice if the center whoever it is can step in and make the proper line calls next year. I don't want the LT to have to make the Line calls again next year like Lewan did a bunch last year. You just can't see the defensive set nearly as well from the left side as you can from the interior.

Man you guys have some awesome young depth at Dline moving forward as does Michigan on the Oline.