After Mich lastest commit - RB Green - theses are the lastest rankings
Remember The OSU has only 22 vs. Michs oversigning now at 27

ESPN  http://insider.espn.go.com/col...3&date=null
1. Fl
2. Bama
3. ND
4. THE OSU
5. Tx A & M

Rivals
1. Fl
2. ND
3. Bama
4. THE OSU
5. LSU

Scout: using ave-star-rating: to offset schools that OVERSIGN:
1. USC
2. THE OSU
3. Tx
4. ND

247 Composite
1. Bama
2. Fl
3. THE OSU

crazy to think usc is so high with 14 commits. and ave star rating makes them number 1 here on scout. got some gooood talent going out west

People need to keep in mind that scout only takes into account the top 25 players in a class. So Michigan doesnt get extra points for recruit 26 and 27.

Osu could have had a full class if not for sanctions.

i think youre wrong. maybe i am but with green commited your total points went above 5000. is that what you are saying or am i missing this completely?

Using the average star ranking for the scout rankings is a joke. Michigan is #1 on Scout, and OSU is #3. Nothing to be so defensive about. Both teams have excellent classes, which is better will be determined over the next 3-4 years.


With that said, OSU is set-up to be clearly the better team over the next couple of years on the field. Two more seasons of Braxton with improving skill talent around him and a defense which is stockpiling talent and athleticism is bad news for the rest of the B1G, including Michigan.

What happens is that they take the top 25 player in every class.

So they dropped a 3 star and added green in their formula. Hence more points and a higher star per recruit average.
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i think youre wrong. maybe i am but with green commited your total points went above 5000. is that what you are saying or am i missing this completely?

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JonCJG wrote: People need to keep in mind that scout only takes into account the top 25 players in a class. So Michigan doesnt get extra points for recruit 26 and 27.

Osu could have had a full class if not for sanctions.

the whole ranking classes thing needs to be taken lightly as teams recruit for their system and also,  so many players fail to meet expectations, while others are overlooked.

i think some years there's a clear number 1 such as Bama in the past. but this year the top 5 are interchangeable.

Hate to agree with a buckeye but I couldn't have put it any better. Agree completely.

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JonCJG wrote: People need to keep in mind that scout only takes into account the top 25 players in a class. So Michigan doesnt get extra points for recruit 26 and 27.

Osu could have had a full class if not for sanctions.

the whole ranking classes thing needs to be taken lightly as teams recruit for their system and also,  so many players fail to meet expectations, while others are overlooked.

i think some years there's a clear number 1 such as Bama in the past. but this year the top 5 are interchangeable.

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As a Mich fan I agree with all of this. I would add I beleive Gardner with his full season to get ready at QB will be 66% passer and 2 more years left at Mich I like were we stand also. Mich and OSU are getting younger and better. I look forward to upcoming years. Only thing I dislike about sites ave ranking is teams get punished for kickers Long snappers. The average auto goes down Mich has a LS 2 star OSU Kicker 3 star even though hes the best. It might not be the sexiest pick ups but a huge need

RodionRaskolnikov wrote: Using the average star ranking for the scout rankings is a joke. Michigan is #1 on Scout, and OSU is #3. Nothing to be so defensive about. Both teams have excellent classes, which is better will be determined over the next 3-4 years.


With that said, OSU is set-up to be clearly the better team over the next couple of years on the field. Two more seasons of Braxton with improving skill talent around him and a defense which is stockpiling talent and athleticism is bad news for the rest of the B1G, including Michigan.

I believe you are either half-retarded, or just post this type of stuff to make Michigan fans look like morons.

baseball712 wrote: As a Mich fan I agree with all of this. I would add I beleive Gardner with his full season to get ready at QB will be 66% passer and 2 more years left at Mich I like were we stand also. Mich and OSU are getting younger and better. I look forward to upcoming years. Only thing I dislike about sites ave ranking is teams get punished for kickers Long snappers. The average auto goes down Mich has a LS 2 star OSU Kicker 3 star even though hes the best. It might not be the sexiest pick ups but a huge need

RodionRaskolnikov wrote: Using the average star ranking for the scout rankings is a joke. Michigan is #1 on Scout, and OSU is #3. Nothing to be so defensive about. Both teams have excellent classes, which is better will be determined over the next 3-4 years.


With that said, OSU is set-up to be clearly the better team over the next couple of years on the field. Two more seasons of Braxton with improving skill talent around him and a defense which is stockpiling talent and athleticism is bad news for the rest of the B1G, including Michigan.

Let me start by saying rankings are a gauge and a lot of times are off. 

Shane Morris is the most overrated player in HSFB...The kid is a 3 star.

If Derrick Green is the #1 RB in the country I am the Easter Bunny.

OSU has better skill position players by a country mile. I have watched the all-star games last year and this year.  OSU had multiple players shine both years.

Michigan doesn't have dynamic offensive players. Devin Gardner didn't do crap against OSU this year.  Losing Denard, 3 starting OL, and Roundtree will hurt drastically.

I didn't know Gardner was given a 6th year...he doesn't deserve it. Michigan is a serious injury to Gardner away from missing a bowl game.

OSU is a very young team. Michigan is not beating us/competing with us till 2016.  I hope Michigan enjoys the next 3 losses to OSU...

scarlet71 wrote: After Mich lastest commit - RB Green - theses are the lastest rankings
Remember The OSU has only 22 vs. Michs oversigning now at 27

ESPN  http://insider.espn.go.com/col...3&date=null
1. Fl
2. Bama
3. ND
4. THE OSU
5. Tx A & M

Rivals
1. Fl
2. ND
3. Bama
4. THE OSU
5. LSU

Scout: using ave-star-rating: to offset schools that OVERSIGN:
1. USC
2. THE OSU
3. Tx
4. ND

247 Composite
1. Bama
2. Fl
3. THE OSU

Gardner will be no different than Henne, Mallett, Forcier for Heisman and DRob, put up big numbers against tomato can OOC teams and second tier Big Ten teams, and put up average to mediocre numbers and lose to good teams and elite teams with defensive athletes.
No shocker Gardner was 0-2 against OSU and SC, and looked all world in UofM fans eyes vs. hapless Iowa and Minnesota.   That is the same thing their previous 5 QB's did.
For all the records they talk about with the great 5 star Henne, he was 3-11 against OSU, Notre Dame, bowl games and a top 10 Oregon that hammered them in AA.
Not half retarded, fully retarded.
I stated it best, you need bullshit deflectors for Michigan fans and GBW fans, they talked this crap every year, and they have no won a Big Ten title since 2003, have a .5 a national title in close to 70 years, and Tressel beat them like a rented mule.

BuckinDayton wrote: I believe you are either half-retarded, or just post this type of stuff to make Michigan fans look like morons.

baseball712 wrote: As a Mich fan I agree with all of this. I would add I beleive Gardner with his full season to get ready at QB will be 66% passer and 2 more years left at Mich I like were we stand also. Mich and OSU are getting younger and better. I look forward to upcoming years. Only thing I dislike about sites ave ranking is teams get punished for kickers Long snappers. The average auto goes down Mich has a LS 2 star OSU Kicker 3 star even though hes the best. It might not be the sexiest pick ups but a huge need

RodionRaskolnikov wrote: Using the average star ranking for the scout rankings is a joke. Michigan is #1 on Scout, and OSU is #3. Nothing to be so defensive about. Both teams have excellent classes, which is better will be determined over the next 3-4 years.


With that said, OSU is set-up to be clearly the better team over the next couple of years on the field. Two more seasons of Braxton with improving skill talent around him and a defense which is stockpiling talent and athleticism is bad news for the rest of the B1G, including Michigan.

Hey douche...they also drop the 2 lowest rated players of the 27 and that gives you a higher star rating than you really have

JonCJG wrote: People need to keep in mind that scout only takes into account the top 25 players in a class. So Michigan doesnt get extra points for recruit 26 and 27.

Osu could have had a full class if not for sanctions.

Sure the bucks have a nice recruiting class on paper, but there is only one football to go around.  Why Meyer is focusing so much on skill positions and not the trenches is mind boggling. I know it's hard for him to get top lineman that weren't born and raised buckeye fans because of the system he runs but damn.  2 OL this year?  4 left from last year, 2 of which have very weak offer lists.  It puts so much pressure on the few offensive lineman he did recruit.  They HAVE to pan out AND stay healthy otherwise the bucks have problems. He needs to do a better job of evaluating talent and offering earlier.  Because offering a prospect right after Michigan does is not going to cut it.

JonCJG wrote: Sure the bucks have a nice recruiting class on paper, but there is only one football to go around.  Why Meyer is focusing so much on skill positions and not the trenches is mind boggling. I know it's hard for him to get top lineman that weren't born and raised buckeye fans because of the system he runs but damn.  2 OL this year?  4 left from last year, 2 of which have very weak offer lists.  It puts so much pressure on the few offensive lineman he did recruit.  They HAVE to pan out AND stay healthy otherwise the bucks have problems. He needs to do a better job of evaluating talent and offering earlier.  Because offering a prospect right after Michigan does is not going to cut it.

Your fixation on OL recruits is kind of creepy. 

We just to have to settle for having the better team, coach, and program.

bamabrutus wrote: Hey douche...they also drop the 2 lowest rated players of the 27 and that gives you a higher star rating than you really have

Don't often quote the plebs but this one made me crack a smile.  

You want scout.com to count a LS as well as as a 3 star wr in Michigan's class so that UM's star rating will drop? Michigan's average star ratings hurt your feelings so much that you actually took the time to post this thought and included not one, but two rolling eyes emoticons? 

You're funny guy, in a sad kinda way haha.

BTW I know they only count the top 25 recruits..... I mentioned it in this thread.

JonCJG wrote: Sure the bucks have a nice recruiting class on paper, but there is only one football to go around.  Why Meyer is focusing so much on skill positions and not the trenches is mind boggling. I know it's hard for him to get top lineman that weren't born and raised buckeye fans because of the system he runs but damn.  2 OL this year?  4 left from last year, 2 of which have very weak offer lists.  It puts so much pressure on the few offensive lineman he did recruit.  They HAVE to pan out AND stay healthy otherwise the bucks have problems. He needs to do a better job of evaluating talent and offering earlier.  Because offering a prospect right after Michigan does is not going to cut it.

OSU oline recruiting isn't where it should be but certainly not terrible either. Dline recruiting is off the charts however. I certainly trust that Urban knows what he needs on the Oline. It's very likely one or two of dlineman will play on oline. (From what I read anyways)

Hallelujah!  You are the one we've waited for Neo.  The one that can sanely and rationally tell us the truth. Oh, gracious and kind--please continue to inform, enlighten, bring us from the darkness of ignorance to the light of your truth. Before your presence here, we won, but clearly did not do it the right way, or with the right players, or with the a proper offensive set.  Before your apotheosis, and your mercy in deigning to share your wisdom with this scarlet and gray enclave of benighted Yahoos, we had high recruiting classes, but never realized they were really nothing more than paper tiger recruits and limp-wristed hermaphrodites masquerading as Buckeyes. Yes, we've beaten Michigan with the regularity of chickens shitting, but thanks to you we now know that it was merely the result of magic tattoos and the selfless generosity of Wolverine nation, who allowed us those victories as a kind of benevolent welfare, in the hopes that we would turn our lives around and climb out of the chasm of self-delusion and do obesiance before the maize and blue altar of truth.  We know now...we know...and give thanks. Praise be to thee, oh mighty Forcier, God of masculinity, and you His son, oh prescient Jon CJG, purveyor of truth, dispenser of wisdom, and enlightener of all that is dark and dim.  

JonCJG wrote: Sure the bucks have a nice recruiting class on paper, but there is only one football to go around.  Why Meyer is focusing so much on skill positions and not the trenches is mind boggling. I know it's hard for him to get top lineman that weren't born and raised buckeye fans because of the system he runs but damn.  2 OL this year?  4 left from last year, 2 of which have very weak offer lists.  It puts so much pressure on the few offensive lineman he did recruit.  They HAVE to pan out AND stay healthy otherwise the bucks have problems. He needs to do a better job of evaluating talent and offering earlier.  Because offering a prospect right after Michigan does is not going to cut it.

jdukep wrote: Hallelujah!  You are the one we've waited for Neo.  The one that can sanely and rationally tell us the truth. Oh, gracious and kind--please continue to inform, enlighten, bring us from the darkness of ignorance to the light of your truth. Before your presence here, we won, but clearly did not do it the right way, or with the right players, or with the a proper offensive set.  Before your apotheosis, and your mercy in deigning to share your wisdom with this scarlet and gray enclave of benighted Yahoos, we had high recruiting classes, but never realized they were really nothing more than paper tiger recruits and limp-wristed hermaphrodites masquerading as Buckeyes. Yes, we've beaten Michigan with the regularity of chickens shitting, but thanks to you we now know that it was merely the result of magic tattoos and the selfless generosity of Wolverine nation, who allowed us those victories as a kind of benevolent welfare, in the hopes that we would turn our lives around and climb out of the chasm of self-delusion and do obesiance before the maize and blue altar of truth.  We know now...we know...and give thanks. Praise be to thee, oh mighty Forcier, God of masculinity, and you His son, oh prescient Jon CJG, purveyor of truth, dispenser of wisdom, and enlightener of all that is dark and dim. 

I see we have an english minor on the board with a flare for the dramatic.

You're attempted humor aside, you do have a lot of what I have been saying encapsulated in your fairy dust covered paragraph (NCAA laying down the law to level playing field, average OL recruiting holding osu back).

But please, next time bullet points please! Or perhaps some paragraph breaks? I got sleepy as soon as I got to benevolent welfare.  Seriously nothing worse reading something that's supposed to be funny, that is not.  Especially when the writer thinks he is coming off as hilariously sarcastic.

JonCJG wrote: Sure the bucks have a nice recruiting class on paper, but there is only one football to go around.  Why Meyer is focusing so much on skill positions and not the trenches is mind boggling. I know it's hard for him to get top lineman that weren't born and raised buckeye fans because of the system he runs but damn.  2 OL this year?  4 left from last year, 2 of which have very weak offer lists.  It puts so much pressure on the few offensive lineman he did recruit.  They HAVE to pan out AND stay healthy otherwise the bucks have problems. He needs to do a better job of evaluating talent and offering earlier.  Because offering a prospect right after Michigan does is not going to cut it.

This one highlighted sentence tells me everything I need to know about your understanding of our team roster/recruits. Basically, you're speaking out of your ass. You don't know, and neither do we, the status of our OL, at this point.