Why in the damn hell should Ohio State fans care about how the rest of the conference does vs the SEC? You should only care about what OSU does.

Hey guys, this may be a silly question, but the quote at the top stated that the SEC recruits 'differently' and that the Big 10 needs to learn to recruit like them.  I've heard all of the rumors around the shady dealings etc, but from a legitimate recruiting perspective, what does the SEC do different?

RipAndRattle wrote: Why in the damn hell should Ohio State fans care about how the rest of the conference does vs the SEC? You should only care about what OSU does.

because if Ohio State plays in a bad conference then it could hypothetically kill them at the end of a season if there were multiple unbeaten teams. The media would drill OSU because they play in a weak conference and the 4th best team in the SEC would go undefeated in the weak 10, yada yada yada

Bullshit. Look at Boise.

Im so freaking tired of this argument. Its entirely bullshit, when you have a media rockband coach like Urban that crap wont matter. Go undefeated and everything falls into place

Besides, look at OSU's OOC scheduling in the future, big wins there and B1G titles will be enough.

Maker84 wrote:

RipAndRattle wrote: Why in the damn hell should Ohio State fans care about how the rest of the conference does vs the SEC? You should only care about what OSU does.

because if Ohio State plays in a bad conference then it could hypothetically kill them at the end of a season if there were multiple unbeaten teams. The media would drill OSU because they play in a weak conference and the 4th best team in the SEC would go undefeated in the weak 10, yada yada yada

GoldenStateBuckeye wrote: Hey guys, this may be a silly question, but the quote at the top stated that the SEC recruits 'differently' and that the Big 10 needs to learn to recruit like them.  I've heard all of the rumors around the shady dealings etc, but from a legitimate recruiting perspective, what does the SEC do different?

They allow schools to aggressively recruit players that they don't have room for, so that they can nudge "underperforming disappointments" out the door, taking 1 or 2 years of their eligibility and gift-wrapping them for FCS programs.  It's stacking the deck on an annual basis.  It's an unethical practice that the SEC refuses to police, even though some of their programs refuse to do it.  Then there's Auburn, and the miraculous (shady) way they are able to secure commitments.  Cam Newton is exhibit 1A.

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MrBuckeye2004 wrote:

bamabrutus wrote: I could care less where the kid goes but if its a blow to Michigan I will take it by all means.

I am a Buckeye fan and really don't care how anyone in the B10 recruits or plays...MSU is about the only exception because their success means Michigan failure plus I like Dantonio.

With the 4 team playoff coming I could care less. We take care of our business and we will get our shot to prove we belong.

I agree with you, bama. I hope that Poggi goes to Alabama and Michigan's class falls apart. I hate Michigan. It is my hope that our Buckeyes annihilate them every year. I can assure you that no Michigan fan is rooting for Urban Meyer to land a solid class.

As long as the Buckeyes take care of business, there is no need to worry about the rest of the conference. THEY DON'T WORRY ABOUT OSU. Most of them(especially Michigan, PSU, and Wisconsin) were wishing for the NCAA to place OSU on probation.

You hit the nail on the head! Nobody else is hoping we succeed in any way, shape, or form so it only comes with the territory to root against them the way they all root against us. Those were the main teams praying for our demise...including Michigan State

Exactly. I've always thought the people wanting scUM to improve are idiots. What OSU fan ever wants scUM to prosper? We don't need scUM in any way, shape or form. We can be, and have been, an elite program regardless of them. They are irrelevant to us other than one game a year. I want them to be as pathetic as they have been over the last decade. Here's to hoping they lose as many good recruits as possible.

If scUM and MSU are better, its beneficial for us in rankings and in voter's eyes when we smash their turd asses into the ground.  We don't want them to do well for them, we want them to do well cause its beneficial to us.  I want Poggi to stay with Michigan so they can be relevant, it doesn't change the fact that I want to stomp them to the curb every year.  If we beat a crappy Michigan, no one cares, if we beat a relevant Michigan we get lots of credit.

This philosophy is pure nonsense. It has been proven wrong numerous times through the examples of Miami winning the national title despite playing in the Big East, Texas winning a national title with the only challenges coming from Ohio State and Oklahoma, and USC capturing the crown despite playing in a weak Pac 10.   

Concerning a weak Michigan being on the schedule, Ohio State has proven it can make it to a BCS game and win against a SEC team. They did it against Arkansas a few years ago. Where was Michigan? A 6-6 team. Did it Michigan's mediocrity diminish the Buckeyes sterling performance that season? NO!!! 

Go undefeated and you obviously get into the NC game.  But, what if you have one loss? That's where strength of conference comes into play.  At this point, the SEC would probably get two 1 loss teams into a 4 team playoff before the Big 10 gets one. How would you feel if OSU had 1 loss and were left out of the playoffs because Georgia and Arkansas had 1 loss teams who got in instead?

RipAndRattle wrote: Bullshit. Look at Boise.

Im so freaking tired of this argument. Its entirely bullshit, when you have a media rockband coach like Urban that crap wont matter. Go undefeated and everything falls into place

Besides, look at OSU's OOC scheduling in the future, big wins there and B1G titles will be enough.

Maker84 wrote:

RipAndRattle wrote: Why in the damn hell should Ohio State fans care about how the rest of the conference does vs the SEC? You should only care about what OSU does.

because if Ohio State plays in a bad conference then it could hypothetically kill them at the end of a season if there were multiple unbeaten teams. The media would drill OSU because they play in a weak conference and the 4th best team in the SEC would go undefeated in the weak 10, yada yada yada

IMO, only an undefeated OSU team deserves to go through

4ti2de wrote: Go undefeated and you obviously get into the NC game.  But, what if you have one loss? That's where strength of conference comes into play.  At this point, the SEC would probably get two 1 loss teams into a 4 team playoff before the Big 10 gets one. How would you feel if OSU had 1 loss and were left out of the playoffs because Georgia and Arkansas had 1 loss teams who got in instead?

RipAndRattle wrote: Bullshit. Look at Boise.

Im so freaking tired of this argument. Its entirely bullshit, when you have a media rockband coach like Urban that crap wont matter. Go undefeated and everything falls into place

Besides, look at OSU's OOC scheduling in the future, big wins there and B1G titles will be enough.

Maker84 wrote:

RipAndRattle wrote: Why in the damn hell should Ohio State fans care about how the rest of the conference does vs the SEC? You should only care about what OSU does.

because if Ohio State plays in a bad conference then it could hypothetically kill them at the end of a season if there were multiple unbeaten teams. The media would drill OSU because they play in a weak conference and the 4th best team in the SEC would go undefeated in the weak 10, yada yada yada

When you can sign your name with an X .

BuckinDayton wrote: I'd be interested to know what "recruit like the SEC" means.

It's a heck of a lot easier to recruit the SEC, when you're smack dab in the most fertile recruiting ground in the country.

Michigan should not have allowed Shane Morris to put his lack of talent on display.  This is the guy that's been running his mouth as though he's the leader of their recruiting class for the past year, and he's not even MAC-caliber.  Can't blame Poggi for looking around if he wants to win at the next level, after that sorry display.  A skills competition that made Morris cry months ago should've been all the evidence they needed.

rayb678 wrote: Michigan should not have allowed Shane Morris to put his lack of talent on display.  This is the guy that's been running his mouth as though he's the leader of this recruiting class for the past year, and he's not even MAC-caliber.  Can't blame Poggi for looking around if he wants to win at the next level, after that sorry display.  A skills competition that made him cry months ago should've been all the evidence they needed.

Here's an example of a Michigan fan's hopes for OSU recruiting.

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Posted: 1/24/2013 12:16 AM Ezekiel Elliot Visiting Missouri soon. Will he flip? I sure hope so!

DaveyBoy wrote: I disagree

The BigTen will NEVER be as good as the SEC due simply to demographics, academics, recruiting practices. Never.

So I'm of the belief that recruits will flock to OSU to play for rock star Meyer and to run up gawdy stats all season long destroying the old powers of the North.....then facing the top 3 in a 4 team playoff.

Anyone who wants to see Michigan strong is not thinking.   Michigan wanted to see OSU crumble.  They still think they're superior to OSU.  They still think that their program is more relevant than OSU.  And this is after 1 victory in 11 seasons vs OSU.  Just imagine if they win 2 games every 10 seasons.

F Michigan
F The BigTen...except for OSU

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RipAndRattle wrote: Lmao at OSU fans still hoping for the B1G and scUM to be good.

During sanctions/NCAA/Media persecution none of those bitches wanted Ohio State to be good again, why the hell should we want them going higher? Let Urban dominate scUM and the entire league for years.

Go undefeated, and everything will fall into place. OSU (especially with a rock star media head coach with Urban) will be ranked top 4 no matter what, for the playoffs thats the only thing that matters.

Boise ruined their opportunity to go to the NC playing in that weakass conference and still got all the way to #2 in the BCS before. Now Urban and OSU have the advantage to stroll through a season and beat up on bad teams and get a top 4 ranking.

That is much better than having to lose to an improved top 15 team like MSU on the road than killing our playoff chances and having to settle on the rose bowl.

The fans wanting a strong B1G will bitch and moan when OSU gets upset by a shitty B1G team. We'll see where those that wanted a certain 4-5 star recruit who made a game winning play vs the Buckeyes will feel knowing they could have been in another conference and not ruining a season...

You have the mentality of a loser.......and unfortunately that same mentality is prevalent in the Big Ten conference.  A strong Big Ten is in the best interest of Ohio State. Playing in a strong conference attracts elite players who want to play against other elite players. In addition, playing tough, intense regular season games prepares a team to win national championships. We all saw OSU breeze through conference play in 2006 and 007 only to be humiliated in the national championship game.

Playing in a tough conference doesn't prevent you from winning it all, it helps you win it all. Just look at the SEC.

Exactly right. Wisky,scUM,Purdue,Illinois,etc. are not going to turn into recruiting juggernauts like the SEC schools for the simple reason that there aren't the same volume of recruits in B-10 states. Some mouthbreathers will never understand that and will continue to rant/fantasize/stupidly wonder why Bama,LSU,Florida,Ole Miss,etc. outrecruit B-10 schools. tOSUneeds to keep on keeping on on the recruiting trail under UM, and things will eventually fall into place. tOSU is he only B-10 team recruiting on a NC caliber level-why would anyone want another B-10 school to rock the boat to impress a computer or some hosebag newspaper writer in Durham or Birmingham?

4ti2de wrote: Go undefeated and you obviously get into the NC game.  But, what if you have one loss? That's where strength of conference comes into play.  At this point, the SEC would probably get two 1 loss teams into a 4 team playoff before the Big 10 gets one. How would you feel if OSU had 1 loss and were left out of the playoffs because Georgia and Arkansas had 1 loss teams who got in instead?

RipAndRattle wrote: Bullshit. Look at Boise.

Im so freaking tired of this argument. Its entirely bullshit, when you have a media rockband coach like Urban that crap wont matter. Go undefeated and everything falls into place

Besides, look at OSU's OOC scheduling in the future, big wins there and B1G titles will be enough.

Maker84 wrote:

RipAndRattle wrote: Why in the damn hell should Ohio State fans care about how the rest of the conference does vs the SEC? You should only care about what OSU does.

because if Ohio State plays in a bad conference then it could hypothetically kill them at the end of a season if there were multiple unbeaten teams. The media would drill OSU because they play in a weak conference and the 4th best team in the SEC would go undefeated in the weak 10, yada yada yada

this. people can say OSU didnt deserve to go having 1 loss but if those were the circumstances they would feel differently

now if Sugar would only lose his 5th * like he deserves

MrBuckeye2004 wrote:

rayb678 wrote: Michigan should not have allowed Shane Morris to put his lack of talent on display.  This is the guy that's been running his mouth as though he's the leader of this recruiting class for the past year, and he's not even MAC-caliber.  Can't blame Poggi for looking around if he wants to win at the next level, after that sorry display.  A skills competition that made him cry months ago should've been all the evidence they needed.

Here's an example of a Michigan fan's hopes for OSU recruiting.

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Posted: 1/24/2013 12:16 AM Ezekiel Elliot Visiting Missouri soon. Will he flip? I sure hope so!

That's funny .  Imagine being Michigan, with their offseason... watching Clowney annihilate their RB hundreds of times on season highlights, Shane Morris embarrass himself in front of the country's top prospects, and now Poggi ripping on them and ready to pull the plug.  Treadwell was considered a huge Michigan lean a few months ago.  I bet tossing the football around with Morris is what changed his mind (picture Morris throwing the ball over Treadwell's head and into traffic about a dozen times). 

Florida didn't.
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That poster is a buffoon.
And UofM's last 5 star offensive recruits like McGuffie, Mallett, Henne, Manningham (was a high 4, close to 5 star), RB Grady and all those 4/5 star OL Carr got did what to Tressel and OSU in his run?  Nothing, but lose.
Meyer is bringing in better talent than Tressel, as far as quick twitch, fast and explosive, SEC like.
Nothing about Michigan football under Hoke should scare you, he is a barely above .500 coach, and they are reverting back to a slow plodding I style Carr style of roster and football that lost about 3 games a year, quicker OSU teams owned, and teams with speed like Oregon, USC in a few bowls and others OOC beat them like a drum.

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Praise be to allah, or jesus, perhaps buddah? I can always count on this board for a chuckle.

So many delusional fans on this board who expect mythman to waltz into a national title this year. Dont see how that happens after meeeechigan curb stomps them at least once this year.

Bucks better hope they dont make it to the big10 title game, otherwise hoke goes 2-0 vs osu in 13'. Simply put , 1337 OL+RB ftw every time, twice on a fall Saturday.

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A mouth breather like you wouldn't recognize delusion if it bit you in the a$$. Absolutely no one outside mychicken fans believes the opposite won't be true. Maybe you will cross the 50 in both halves but I doubt it. When do the smart trolls get here?

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Yeah too bad in that game Mattison was Meyer's d-coordinator. When you put 35 points up you should win.

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Florida didn't.
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--- brutus79 wrote:

That poster is a buffoon.
And UofM's last 5 star offensive recruits like McGuffie, Mallett, Henne, Manningham (was a high 4, close to 5 star), RB Grady and all those 4/5 star OL Carr got did what to Tressel and OSU in his run?  Nothing, but lose.
Meyer is bringing in better talent than Tressel, as far as quick twitch, fast and explosive, SEC like.
Nothing about Michigan football under Hoke should scare you, he is a barely above .500 coach, and they are reverting back to a slow plodding I style Carr style of roster and football that lost about 3 games a year, quicker OSU teams owned, and teams with speed like Oregon, USC in a few bowls and others OOC beat them like a drum.

OriginalDCBuck wrote:

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--- JonCJG wrote:

Praise be to allah, or jesus, perhaps buddah? I can always count on this board for a chuckle.

So many delusional fans on this board who expect mythman to waltz into a national title this year. Dont see how that happens after meeeechigan curb stomps them at least once this year.

Bucks better hope they dont make it to the big10 title game, otherwise hoke goes 2-0 vs osu in 13'. Simply put , 1337 OL+RB ftw every time, twice on a fall Saturday.

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A mouth breather like you wouldn't recognize delusion if it bit you in the a$$. Absolutely no one outside mychicken fans believes the opposite won't be true. Maybe you will cross the 50 in both halves but I doubt it. When do the smart trolls get here?

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Co DC actually. Wonder how Fickle would of done.
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--- JohnCarrollBuckeye wrote:

Yeah too bad in that game Mattison was Meyer's d-coordinator. When you put 35 points up you should win.

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Florida didn't.
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--- brutus79 wrote:

That poster is a buffoon.
And UofM's last 5 star offensive recruits like McGuffie, Mallett, Henne, Manningham (was a high 4, close to 5 star), RB Grady and all those 4/5 star OL Carr got did what to Tressel and OSU in his run?  Nothing, but lose.
Meyer is bringing in better talent than Tressel, as far as quick twitch, fast and explosive, SEC like.
Nothing about Michigan football under Hoke should scare you, he is a barely above .500 coach, and they are reverting back to a slow plodding I style Carr style of roster and football that lost about 3 games a year, quicker OSU teams owned, and teams with speed like Oregon, USC in a few bowls and others OOC beat them like a drum.

OriginalDCBuck wrote:

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--- JonCJG wrote:

Praise be to allah, or jesus, perhaps buddah? I can always count on this board for a chuckle.

So many delusional fans on this board who expect mythman to waltz into a national title this year. Dont see how that happens after meeeechigan curb stomps them at least once this year.

Bucks better hope they dont make it to the big10 title game, otherwise hoke goes 2-0 vs osu in 13'. Simply put , 1337 OL+RB ftw every time, twice on a fall Saturday.

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A mouth breather like you wouldn't recognize delusion if it bit you in the a$$. Absolutely no one outside mychicken fans believes the opposite won't be true. Maybe you will cross the 50 in both halves but I doubt it. When do the smart trolls get here?

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How Fickell would have done as Co DC? I can tell you. He held them to 3 points in Ann Arbor.

nailman83 wrote:
Co DC actually. Wonder how Fickle would of done.
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--- JohnCarrollBuckeye wrote:

Yeah too bad in that game Mattison was Meyer's d-coordinator. When you put 35 points up you should win.

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Florida didn't.
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--- brutus79 wrote:

That poster is a buffoon.
And UofM's last 5 star offensive recruits like McGuffie, Mallett, Henne, Manningham (was a high 4, close to 5 star), RB Grady and all those 4/5 star OL Carr got did what to Tressel and OSU in his run?  Nothing, but lose.
Meyer is bringing in better talent than Tressel, as far as quick twitch, fast and explosive, SEC like.
Nothing about Michigan football under Hoke should scare you, he is a barely above .500 coach, and they are reverting back to a slow plodding I style Carr style of roster and football that lost about 3 games a year, quicker OSU teams owned, and teams with speed like Oregon, USC in a few bowls and others OOC beat them like a drum.

OriginalDCBuck wrote:

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--- JonCJG wrote:

Praise be to allah, or jesus, perhaps buddah? I can always count on this board for a chuckle.

So many delusional fans on this board who expect mythman to waltz into a national title this year. Dont see how that happens after meeeechigan curb stomps them at least once this year.

Bucks better hope they dont make it to the big10 title game, otherwise hoke goes 2-0 vs osu in 13'. Simply put , 1337 OL+RB ftw every time, twice on a fall Saturday.

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A mouth breather like you wouldn't recognize delusion if it bit you in the a$$. Absolutely no one outside mychicken fans believes the opposite won't be true. Maybe you will cross the 50 in both halves but I doubt it. When do the smart trolls get here?

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Too funny. Scum fans claim Mattison got Meyer 2 national championships because he was D-coordinator and his recruiting. But now he was co-coordinator. By the way Fickle as a co-coordinator held scum to 3 points in Ann Arbor in scum's previous game. Please try again.

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Co DC actually. Wonder how Fickle would of done.
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--- JohnCarrollBuckeye wrote:

Yeah too bad in that game Mattison was Meyer's d-coordinator. When you put 35 points up you should win.

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Florida didn't.
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--- brutus79 wrote:

That poster is a buffoon.
And UofM's last 5 star offensive recruits like McGuffie, Mallett, Henne, Manningham (was a high 4, close to 5 star), RB Grady and all those 4/5 star OL Carr got did what to Tressel and OSU in his run?  Nothing, but lose.
Meyer is bringing in better talent than Tressel, as far as quick twitch, fast and explosive, SEC like.
Nothing about Michigan football under Hoke should scare you, he is a barely above .500 coach, and they are reverting back to a slow plodding I style Carr style of roster and football that lost about 3 games a year, quicker OSU teams owned, and teams with speed like Oregon, USC in a few bowls and others OOC beat them like a drum.

OriginalDCBuck wrote:

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--- JonCJG wrote:

Praise be to allah, or jesus, perhaps buddah? I can always count on this board for a chuckle.

So many delusional fans on this board who expect mythman to waltz into a national title this year. Dont see how that happens after meeeechigan curb stomps them at least once this year.

Bucks better hope they dont make it to the big10 title game, otherwise hoke goes 2-0 vs osu in 13'. Simply put , 1337 OL+RB ftw every time, twice on a fall Saturday.

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A mouth breather like you wouldn't recognize delusion if it bit you in the a$$. Absolutely no one outside mychicken fans believes the opposite won't be true. Maybe you will cross the 50 in both halves but I doubt it. When do the smart trolls get here?

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