IlliBuck wrote: Not in 2014. That class will have very few OH kids. The rest will be from GA!

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--- jakied wrote:

I would put the top 10 Ohio recruits up against the top 10 fromanywhere, including Flor,Tex and Calif. From 11 to 50 top players,those three have the edge but 1 to 10, Ohio is as good as anywhere.IMO.

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Ga, Va. and TN

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--- wynnosu wrote:

anywhere"

I agree.  One of the main reasons I despise Meatchicken is the fact that they, a state-supported school, have to go outside their state and, primarily, into ours to be competitive.  It would therefore be hypocritical of me to say I'm OK with my alma mater gong to other states and recruiting THEIR players to play for us.  Ohio has a very rich tradition of great high school football which is why so many schools recruit here.

I have no problem with getting some kids from out of state, especially those who are Ohio State fans in the first place.  But I think we should always try to get the best from Ohio first and sprinkle in some blue-chippers from around the country as necessary.

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I don't understand that being a reason for your dislike of SCUM? Including ND and Bama 8 of the last 10 BCS NC game teams were not from a top 5 HS talent producing state. Meaning they go outside of home and probably into their rivals states to get talent.

Bama, ND, S Car, OU, LSU, Clem, SCUM and ORE you think those teams could be top 20 teams off of only in state talent? That's part of college football, if you don't have the in state talent you have to create ties with the closest state with big time HS talent. For SCUM and the rest of the Big 10 that happens to be our great state.

Should be able to have both.

Cooper probably went too much out of state. Tressel probably went too much in state.

Hopefully Meyer can achieve a balance by getting most of the elite players in Ohio who want to be Buckeyes, and fill in with out of state talent.

The key either way is that the players see getting to Ohio State as a start, and not a finish. Need players who want to work hard and have great OSU teams no matter where they are from.

What it gets down to is would you rather see a guy like Mitchel stay in Texas?

Univ of Texas is a perfect example of a program that focuses on in state talent, probably to a fault

I think Urban's staff goes after the best team he can get, I expect 40 To 50% of the kids to be in state


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--- LordBuckeye wrote:

most of the kids playing for us were from out of state? Especially given the fact that Ohio is one of the top states in the nation in producing talent? I looked at our 2013 recruiting class and by my count we have 9 guys from the home state and 12 from elsewhere. It's happened before that out of state kids outnumber Ohio kids in a class but it is rare. I personally feel alot of pride lookng at a roster dominated by kids from the Buckeye state. I hope this doesn't become the norm.

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--- jakied wrote:

I would put the top 10 Ohio recruits up against the top 10 fromanywhere, including Flor,Tex and Calif. From 11 to 50 top players,those three have the edge but 1 to 10, Ohio is as good as anywhere.IMO.

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That's ridiculous. I guarantee you if you compare the top 10 prospects from each state over the last decade, Texas,Cali, Fla, La and Ga have the edge in All Americans and NFL players. Guarantee it.

Let's be specific, whom from our of state should we not have taken and who should in ohio should we have taken instead.

Should we not have taken hankins, roby, howard, the Browns, Hyde etc..?

I'd like to see the majority of the Buckeyes being native Ohioans, and I do think that the history of the school's success and sitting in a pipeline state is one of the things that makes us that much more noteworthy as a program. I think Urban will keep the best kids in Ohio whenever possible, but the man is the consummate competitor and will do everything in his power to get the best available no matter where they are from. 

That being said, sometimes it doesn't matter who we 'take' (meaning the Buckeyes... obviously I'm not on staff at tOSU) but rather who the kid chooses to play for.

Guys like Ben Gedeon, Kyle Kalis and Dymonte Thomas all chose TSUN. They had offers (and Kalis de-committed, showing no faith in the program -- and I roll my eyes at the kid because it wasn't like tOSU wasn't going to fold up shop after Tress's departure). 

Something I think people on here seem to forget is the limit to a recruiter's power. Saban, Meyer, Kelly, Hoke... it doesn't matter who the greatest recruiter is when it still ultimately comes down to what the kid wants to do.

          I think a lot of it depends on the personal qualities of the recruit.   If they are thugs and prima donas, they think only of themselves and their own glory.   But look at some of the comments Roby just made about why he stayed.   He could have gone to the NFL, perhaps a late first - early second rounder with a huge pay day.   But even though he isn't "from Ohio", his comments exude loyalty to Buckeye Nation and his team.   That's the kind of player I want.   I don't need people from Cleveland, Cincy, or Youngstown simply because of where they were born / grew up.   Look at Aundrey Walker last year.   Good kid.   All the Ohio ties you could ask for.   He's out here with me in Los Angeles.  

          I feel confident that Urban will get the right players, from wherever they may be...

I don't really have a problem with the ratios.......however I think it needs to be a top priority to keep the elite ohio prospects as buckeyes

I don't believe we will ever have to worry about Ohio State having more players from elsewhere than Ohio. Ohio State just needs to recruit hard to make sure the top 15 players come to OSU EVERY year. The list of top ohio players the buckeyes have lost over the years read like a who's who list of elite players.

Taken from my response in the Mike Mitchell thread....

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The best of Ohio can compete with the best of ANYONE!!! We locked up Curtis Gran two years ago, but buckeye born and buckeye bred Justin Boren (a senior FB) was our integral LB as Grant rode the bench!

Pride for your state and university is something that can not be recruited!!! I hope all OOS recruits we bring in are dedicated, fine, hard working young men.... Because there are literally in state kids that would kill for their shot to put on the Scarlett and Gray!!!

You can time a 40, count a bench rep and measure a vertical... But there is still NO legitimate way to measure a players heart and determination!!!

I still think OSU should fill every class of ~20 kids with 70% Ohio kids (either raised here, born here, or family from here) and the rest OOS (~6 a year)!!!

A Michigan University football team with p*ssed off elite Ohio born talent is a scary thing to play against the 4th Saturday of November!!!! I FIRMLY believe that!!!

hard to argue with ay of that....I love the fact that we can go after some of the best players outside ohio with a real shot at them but before that, our top priority really needs to be locking up the best in ohio

buckEYEdr2B wrote: Taken from my response in the Mike Mitchell thread....

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The best of Ohio can compete with the best of ANYONE!!! We locked up Curtis Gran two years ago, but buckeye born and buckeye bred Justin Boren (a senior FB) was our integral LB as Grant rode the bench!

Pride for your state and university is something that can not be recruited!!! I hope all OOS recruits we bring in are dedicated, fine, hard working young men.... Because there are literally in state kids that would kill for their shot to put on the Scarlett and Gray!!!

You can time a 40, count a bench rep and measure a vertical... But there is still NO legitimate way to measure a players heart and determination!!!

I still think OSU should fill every class of ~20 kids with 70% Ohio kids (either raised here, born here, or family from here) and the rest OOS (~6 a year)!!!

A Michigan University football team with p*ssed off elite Ohio born talent is a scary thing to play against the 4th Saturday of November!!!! I FIRMLY believe that!!!

You probably didn't grow up in northwestern Ohio and have to listen to the Toledo stations and Blade leg-humping Meatchicken.   You may not be old enough to remember some of the Bo years when Meatchicken had something like 18 of their 22 starters from Ohio.  You may not have played against any Michigan high school teams either.

if you weren't there, you probably won't understand anything I wrote.

I want players that want to be here, I don't care if they're from Mars. Ohio State is more than just Ohio, it is a global institution.

But yes I DO want the Best in-State Talent also.

OSU does not lose a thing if the majority of players are from OOS and if you watched last nights Bama/ND game, it is the only way OSU will ever win a national title.

Ohio simply does not produce the lineman, both offensive and defensive, to compete at an elite level.

Bama absolutely manhandled ND up front last night.

There are currently 4 defensive lineman in the NFL who played at OSU. All 4 are from out of state.

On the offensive line, the last first round draft pick to play for OSU who was Ohio born and raised is Nick Mangold and that was a decade ago.

Ohio has too many traditionalists who cling to the past. Ohio is not the Ohio of 20 years ago and will never be again.

I've never really viewed this as an Ohio recruits vs. recruits from elsewhere situation. The moment a kid signs his letter of intent to be a Buckeye, that's good enough for me. The population is so mobile now a kid being from Ohio doesn't necessarily mean what it once did anyway. I always considered myself an Ohio kid, but my family moved out of Ohio when I was young.

It hurts when you see highly regarded recruits leave the state of Ohio, but you can't get them all and everyone's situation is not the same. The state of Ohio heavily supports the entire Big Ten and MAC when it comes to recruits, but guessing which two- and three-star recruits are going to become good contributors for other schools would largely be an exercise in futility. In the days of scholarship limitations you have to use your best judgment to try to get the best group of kids for your team, regardless of where they are from.

It would be nice to have 20-25 4- and 5-star prospects representing a diverse cross-section of positions in the state of Ohio every year, but there isn't. So I am perfectly fine going to other areas of the country and creating converted Buckeyes for the future.

You are wrong.

Notre Dame's line was dominated because of scheme more so than talent discrepancy! A Freshman QB sitting in the pocket throwing the ball around, even though that's the weakest part of his game right now... Rarely running the ball except in obvious situations and formations.

Did Florida dominate Louisville's line? No, Louisville has a QB that demands respect, creative zone and man coverages and prevents a DC from releasing the hounds... ND does not have that.

On defense, ND's DLine struggled to stop one of the best down hill running teams in the nation... No one can deny that.

Ohio produces plenty of lineman, if anything that's one of Ohio's strengths (IMO)... And now we have the OL coach to produce results!

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OSU does not lose a thing if the majority of players are from OOS and if you watched last nights Bama/ND game, it is the only way OSU will ever win a national title.

Ohio simply does not produce the lineman, both offensive and defensive, to compete at an elite level.

Bama absolutely manhandled ND up front last night.

There are currently 4 defensive lineman in the NFL who played at OSU. All 4 are from out of state.

On the offensive line, the last first round draft pick to play for OSU who was Ohio born and raised is Nick Mangold and that was a decade ago.

Ohio has too many traditionalists who cling to the past. Ohio is not the Ohio of 20 years ago and will never be again.

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I'll answer it this way. Now that we are close to the finish of the class and people were complaining about letting Ohio kids go to Michigan, would you rather finish with Bell, Gibson, Worley, and someone else like Elder or an OL or would you rather finish with Butt, Charlton, McCray, and Jaron Dukes?

LordBuckeye wrote: most of the kids playing for us were from out of state? Especially given the fact that Ohio is one of the top states in the nation in producing talent? I looked at our 2013 recruiting class and by my count we have 9 guys from the home state and 12 from elsewhere. It's happened before that out of state kids outnumber Ohio kids in a class but it is rare. I personally feel alot of pride lookng at a roster dominated by kids from the Buckeye state. I hope this doesn't become the norm.

I live in Cleveland and i couldnt care less where the Browns players are from as long as they win. I feel the same about my college squad. If UFM feels an oos kid is better than the Ohio kid at the same position you get the better player. That's how you win championships