That is fair. I should have wrote has shown flashes to be an all conference player. 

unizan wrote:
I think he has talent but I do not think he has showed himself to be all conference worthy as of yet
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--- MichiganNumber1 wrote:

Yes, I believe so, but you have the right to your opinion. The talent is there and he will continue to improve over the next three years. 

unizan wrote:
Funchess has shown he is a future all conference player? He had 5 td four came aginst Air force, Illinois, Iowa and northwestern so how did he prove anything
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I agree with buckeyemark. The offense was all Denard the past three years and it is difficult to convince recruits that the offense will be different moving forward. Denard was a poor passer and terrible decision maker. Our WR could get separation this year, but Denard could not deliver the ball (or made the wrong read). 

The concern about WR is overblown. Darboh (from the 2012 class) will push for a spot in 2013. Funchess has already shown that he is a future all conference player and is more of a TE/WR hybrid. Gallon can run and really took off with Devin under center and should put together a solid senior campaign. 

buckeyemark wrote: Probably because their offense the past 3 years has been Denard Robinson.

Not really sure what the offense will look like now.

BucksandReds wrote:

• They have a great OL class but the 247 Composite (All 4 big ranking sites combined) have their 5 lowest ranked commits after long snapper being mid to low 3 star recruits at WR or TE.  They will have a sick OL be decent on d but they can't get anyone at WR other than when they fight Akron, Bowling Green and Marshall for them.
• michigan.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football /Commits

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The last two 5* pocket passers to attend and play for scUM are 0-5* against OSU.

Chad Henne (lol) & Ryan Mallet (who gets the * loss for assisting in a loss for scUM in 2007 & "not winning" against OSU in the Sugar Bowl with Arkansas)

The UM wide receivers were lacking this year... will be worse without Roundtree... I guess the B1G should all be fearing Jereme Gallon ?? LOL OH NOES.

Michigan's Pro-Style attack will be feared again once they have an NFL caliber running back and Edwards/Avant/Breaston caliber receivers again.... until then.. ZzzZzzzzz

5 star non nimble footed Henne was 3-9 against OSU, Notre Dame and bowls, and they got crushed in AA against a top 15 Oregon team, so make that 3-10.
That team was loaded with 4/5 star slow midwest OL, lots of 4 star WR's and RB's, and what got them beat in those games.
Lack of elite speed, lack of defensive play makers minus a Brandon Graham type, and teams with just better speed/explosion athletes exposing that during games.
Yes, Gallon and Dabroh are going to give sleepless nights to MAC coordinators, no one else.
Where was Funchess against OSU with athletic freaks like Shazier running stride for stride with him in many passing situations?
You will see the same against South Carolina, better and faster explosive athletes going against lesser athletes.
These debates are comical, Meyer is loading up with SEC type players and 2014 is a class for the ages as he will raid Georgia, Florida, a kid or two out of Texas and the mid atlantic, and no one in the Big Ten will get those kind of kids on those numbers.
Remember how those two great OL's and offenses of OSU and Michigan in 2006 got destroyed against Florida and USC in bowl games? OSU got danced around, and USC had a sack party against Henne and that big time OL with Long and his buddies, while Hart got shut down with ease. Better explosive defensive front seven players both teams did not see all year, could not simulate in practice, and both got shut down with easily.  The same will apply with the athletes Meyer is going to get, that the rest of the Big Ten will not, not even close.
Noah Spence and Washington got sacks and continued penetration easily against Lewan a few weeks ago, he had not seen athletes that fast or explosive since Bama, and those two freshman had a field day.

strandedbuck wrote: The last two 5* pocket passers to attend and play for scUM are 0-5* against OSU.

Chad Henne (lol) & Ryan Mallet (who gets the * loss for assisting in a loss for scUM in 2007 & "not winning" against OSU in the Sugar Bowl with Arkansas)

The UM wide receivers were lacking this year... will be worse without Roundtree... I guess the B1G should all be fearing Jereme Gallon ?? LOL OH NOES.

Michigan's Pro-Style attack will be feared again once they have an NFL caliber running back and Edwards/Avant/Breaston caliber receivers again.... until then.. ZzzZzzzzz

That's fair

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--- MichiganNumber1 wrote:

That is fair. I should have wrote has shown flashes to be an all conference player. 

unizan wrote:
I think he has talent but I do not think he has showed himself to be all conference worthy as of yet
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--- MichiganNumber1 wrote:

Yes, I believe so, but you have the right to your opinion. The talent is there and he will continue to improve over the next three years. 

unizan wrote:
Funchess has shown he is a future all conference player? He had 5 td four came aginst Air force, Illinois, Iowa and northwestern so how did he prove anything
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--- MichiganNumber1 wrote:

I agree with buckeyemark. The offense was all Denard the past three years and it is difficult to convince recruits that the offense will be different moving forward. Denard was a poor passer and terrible decision maker. Our WR could get separation this year, but Denard could not deliver the ball (or made the wrong read). 

The concern about WR is overblown. Darboh (from the 2012 class) will push for a spot in 2013. Funchess has already shown that he is a future all conference player and is more of a TE/WR hybrid. Gallon can run and really took off with Devin under center and should put together a solid senior campaign. 

buckeyemark wrote: Probably because their offense the past 3 years has been Denard Robinson.

Not really sure what the offense will look like now.

BucksandReds wrote:

• They have a great OL class but the 247 Composite (All 4 big ranking sites combined) have their 5 lowest ranked commits after long snapper being mid to low 3 star recruits at WR or TE.  They will have a sick OL be decent on d but they can't get anyone at WR other than when they fight Akron, Bowling Green and Marshall for them.
• michigan.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football /Commits

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--- strandedbuck wrote:

The last two 5* pocket passers to attend and play for scUM are 0-5* against OSU.

Chad Henne (lol) & Ryan Mallet (who gets the * loss for assisting in a loss for scUM in 2007 & "not winning" against OSU in the Sugar Bowl with Arkansas)

The UM wide receivers were lacking this year... will be worse without Roundtree... I guess the B1G should all be fearing Jereme Gallon ?? LOL OH NOES.

Michigan's Pro-Style attack will be feared again once they have an NFL caliber running back and Edwards/Avant/Breaston caliber receivers again.... until then.. ZzzZzzzzz

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I don't know about nfl caliber, but I think smith will be very good for them (better than green).

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brutus79 wrote: Why, because I presented real facts?  Those are hard facts on Morris, you called out ignorance.  Really, those were his junior year numbers and in the typical UofM fan delusional spin to make up fantasia excuses, you did not even know that kids junior numbers.  Try doing some homework.
You said Elliott burst out of the camps and jumped into the spotlight?  Wrong, his elite offers before he picked OSU over Notre Dame early on pretty much validates major BCS schools already knew about him when recruiting bases on these sites were behind.
I will take schools like OSU, Notre Dame, Georgia, K State, Wisconsin, UCLA, Nebraska and others from the SEC, Big Ten and Pac 12 offering Elliott early on over your amatuer opinion.
You started the mud slinging stating ignorance, I took it a tad higher.  You cannot take what you start, go run back to GBW and their world of make believe about UofM football.
The rest of college football and its fans are like me, Michigan is irrelevant.
I gave facts, real facts to back that up as well like: 1. no Big Ten titles since 2003 in a crap conference.  2.  embarrassing losses at home to App State, Oregon in a blow out and a 2 win Toledo.  3.  Having losing records the last 5 years to Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa besides OSU.  4.  Meyer has two national titles and many conferences titles vs. 0 in all for Hoke.  5.  I could go on, and will not.
You bring up Elliott's competition, so what.   Elliott puts up huge huge numbers against that competition and got his team to the state title game this year.  Morris plays against mediocre competition in large part, and he does not dominate it, and he has mediocre numbers.  That is where your argument never got out of the starter blocks and was a fail from the get go. 
Just the facts, something you do not bring to any conversation, all hypothetical dreams of what might be.

MWolverines15 wrote: I enjoy have a good OSU/UM debate but fans like brutus79 just ruin it. I wouldn't claim him as one of my own if i was a Buckeye fan.

DAMN, brutus laid it down!!! All i know is Michigan fans better pray that Shane Morris is all they built him up to be because they're putting all their' eggs in one carton with him in claiming he's the savior. Morris isn't helping himself at all by already putting a huge bullseye on his back and not doing anything to warrant his trash talk on the field according to his mediocre stats. I actually think Chad Henne will end up having the better college career than Morris will when it's all said and done. I just can't wait for those games to start and he better pray he doesn't Mike Hart it up

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Didn't Henne start his freshman year? It's not hard to imagine a 4 year starter at QB will have a better career than Morris. Henne had a pretty successful career besides against OSU.

i think its a little bit of bad luck

Must be nice to just make up stats. Spence and Washington got sacks against Lewan? Washington got 1(don't know if it was against Lewan) and that was his only play of the game. Spence did not record a stat. The only time his name was mentioned was a roughing the QB. If only he had the speed to get there earlier. Not sure how 1 play= "Noah Spence and Washington got sacks and continued penetration easily against Lewan".

This actual stat came from OSU's official athletic site

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--- brutus79 wrote:

5 star non nimble footed Henne was 3-9 against OSU, Notre Dame and bowls, and they got crushed in AA against a top 15 Oregon team, so make that 3-10.
That team was loaded with 4/5 star slow midwest OL, lots of 4 star WR's and RB's, and what got them beat in those games.
Lack of elite speed, lack of defensive play makers minus a Brandon Graham type, and teams with just better speed/explosion athletes exposing that during games.
Yes, Gallon and Dabroh are going to give sleepless nights to MAC coordinators, no one else.
Where was Funchess against OSU with athletic freaks like Shazier running stride for stride with him in many passing situations?
You will see the same against South Carolina, better and faster explosive athletes going against lesser athletes.
These debates are comical, Meyer is loading up with SEC type players and 2014 is a class for the ages as he will raid Georgia, Florida, a kid or two out of Texas and the mid atlantic, and no one in the Big Ten will get those kind of kids on those numbers.
Remember how those two great OL's and offenses of OSU and Michigan in 2006 got destroyed against Florida and USC in bowl games? OSU got danced around, and USC had a sack party against Henne and that big time OL with Long and his buddies, while Hart got shut down with ease. Better explosive defensive front seven players both teams did not see all year, could not simulate in practice, and both got shut down with easily.  The same will apply with the athletes Meyer is going to get, that the rest of the Big Ten will not, not even close.
Noah Spence and Washington got sacks and continued penetration easily against Lewan a few weeks ago, he had not seen athletes that fast or explosive since Bama, and those two freshman had a field day.

strandedbuck wrote: The last two 5* pocket passers to attend and play for scUM are 0-5* against OSU.

Chad Henne (lol) & Ryan Mallet (who gets the * loss for assisting in a loss for scUM in 2007 & "not winning" against OSU in the Sugar Bowl with Arkansas)

The UM wide receivers were lacking this year... will be worse without Roundtree... I guess the B1G should all be fearing Jereme Gallon ?? LOL OH NOES.

Michigan's Pro-Style attack will be feared again once they have an NFL caliber running back and Edwards/Avant/Breaston caliber receivers again.... until then.. ZzzZzzzzz

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Swagner7793 wrote: i think its a little bit of bad luck

Yea it's called Rich Rod. That tard really pushed Mich back. It will take 3 recruiting classes from Hoke to get back to Mich status.

Washington blew by Lewan in the 1st quarter and caused a fumble recovered by Boren.  That was the only sack I think Lewan gave up, however he struggled with Washington all game and Spence a couple times.  Both beat him on speed moves and caused Gardner to get rid of the ball quickly.  Stats do not always tell the whole story.

nailman83 wrote: Must be nice to just make up stats. Spence and Washington got sacks against Lewan? Washington got 1(don't know if it was against Lewan) and that was his only play of the game. Spence did not record a stat. The only time his name was mentioned was a roughing the QB. If only he had the speed to get there earlier. Not sure how 1 play= "Noah Spence and Washington got sacks and continued penetration easily against Lewan".

This actual stat came from OSU's official athletic site



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Probably because they will be asked to block in Michigan's pro style set.....

Michigan is losing 4 starting OL...the starting Center and the back-up Center IIRC.  They are also losing the only offensive threat they have in Denard.  Is Touisaint gonna come back 100%?  Even if he does he's not that great anyways. Michigan sucked at running the ball outside of Denard...then add the fact they are losing their entire line.  Gardner will be running for his life and throwing arm punts all season. Good Luck with that ladies.

Defensively I see trouble as well. The secondary has some serious losses and once again...who says Countess will come back 100%?

At first blush Michigans schedule looks easy but IMO when looking at it again its not so easy.

ND will not be an easy game. IMO it's a loss.

@ UConn with an entirely new OL and no skill players I see a toss game. If it was at the Out House they would stand a better chance.

Minny and Indiana both will be better. Minny gave Michigan a solid game until the 4th. Indiana will score points. Both games could be interesting.

OSU, Neb, NW, and MSU will be losses.

Iowa will be a toss up.

I see a team with an easier schedule but no less than 5-6 losses.  Gardner goes down and you miss a bowl for sure. Depth on offense will be huge.

I actually like Funchess. IMO he is the best offensive weapo0n you guys have next year. He goes down and its huge. Funchess and Gardner are irreplaceable.

Enjoy mediocrity!!!

I am still waiting for that blood to be spilled on the OSU field....

     I expect "the spillage" to occur once Joey Bosa takes the field...

buckeyeinlakeland wrote: I am still waiting for that blood to be spilled on the OSU field....

I am in the camp believing scUM will struggle next year due to a very average Defense and significant loss on OL. Breaking in a new QB in 2014 could be tough also. But I can't ignore the quality of the OL he is bringing In and now it looks like the #1 ranked RB is favoring them. (Green). Also hard to believe a defense with Pipkins, Poggi, and Ohio products consisting of Wormley, Strobel, McCray, Thomas, Taco, Bolden won't be tough as nails. The good news is Brady Joke will still be the coach and we will have Urban.

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I am in the camp believing scUM will struggle next year due to a very average Defense and significant loss on OL. Breaking in a new QB in 2014 could be tough also. But I can't ignore the quality of the OL he is bringing In and now it looks like the #1 ranked RB is favoring them. (Green). Also hard to believe a defense with Pipkins, Poggi, and Ohio products consisting of Wormley, Strobel, McCray, Thomas, Taco, Bolden won't be tough as nails. The good news is Brady Joke will still be the coach and we will have Urban.

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Meh. OL is terribly hard to predict.

They have 0 explosive players for the foreseeable future.

Their d-line recruits are solid at best. Their DB recruits are the same.