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Posted: 12/20/2012 3:21 PM
RE: Why is scUM struggling so much with WR recruiting
So wr prospects didn't know that mich was going to a pro-style for 2 years now?
Really?
90% of mich fans are completely delusional. Darboh will push for a spot in 2013? Ya think? Who else is there? The constant discounting of Mich's CLEAR lack of impact wr's is hilarious (and rb's for that matter)
Oh, and EVERY wr recruit over the past 2 years has known the system change and has also known who the 2013 qb is. But STILL little interest has been generated.
What does that tell you?
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Posted: 12/20/2012 3:27 PM
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Oh, and to the person making the horrible comparison of Elliot vs. Morris.
Elite prospects smoke bad competition. See Elliot
Morris.......um yeah.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 4:27 PM
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Funchess has shown he is a future all conference player? He had 5 td four came aginst Air force, Illinois, Iowa and northwestern so how did he prove anything --------------------------------------------- --- MichiganNumber1 wrote: I agree with buckeyemark. The offense was all Denard the past three years and it is difficult to convince recruits that the offense will be different moving forward. Denard was a poor passer and terrible decision maker. Our WR could get separation this year, but Denard could not deliver the ball (or made the wrong read). The concern about WR is overblown. Darboh (from the 2012 class) will push for a spot in 2013. Funchess has already shown that he is a future all conference player and is more of a TE/WR hybrid. Gallon can run and really took off with Devin under center and should put together a solid senior campaign. buckeyemark wrote: Probably because their offense the past 3 years has been Denard Robinson.
Not really sure what the offense will look like now.
BucksandReds wrote:- They have a great OL class but the 247 Composite (All 4 big ranking sites combined) have their 5 lowest ranked commits after long snapper being mid to low 3 star recruits at WR or TE. They will have a sick OL be decent on d but they can't get anyone at WR other than when they fight Akron, Bowling Green and Marshall for them.
- michigan.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football /Commits
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Posted: 12/20/2012 6:07 PM
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Yes, I believe so, but you have the right to your opinion. The talent is there and he will continue to improve over the next three years. unizan wrote:
Funchess has shown he is a future all conference player? He had 5 td four came aginst Air force, Illinois, Iowa and northwestern so how did he prove anything
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I agree with buckeyemark. The offense was all Denard the past three years and it is difficult to convince recruits that the offense will be different moving forward. Denard was a poor passer and terrible decision maker. Our WR could get separation this year, but Denard could not deliver the ball (or made the wrong read).
The concern about WR is overblown. Darboh (from the 2012 class) will push for a spot in 2013. Funchess has already shown that he is a future all conference player and is more of a TE/WR hybrid. Gallon can run and really took off with Devin under center and should put together a solid senior campaign.
buckeyemark wrote: Probably because their offense the past 3 years has been Denard Robinson.
Not really sure what the offense will look like now.
BucksandReds wrote:- They have a great OL class but the 247 Composite (All 4 big ranking sites combined) have their 5 lowest ranked commits after long snapper being mid to low 3 star recruits at WR or TE. They will have a sick OL be decent on d but they can't get anyone at WR other than when they fight Akron, Bowling Green and Marshall for them.
- michigan.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football /Commits
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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:56 PM
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buckeyemark wrote: Probably because their offense the past 3 years has been Denard Robinson.
Not really sure what the offense will look like now.
BucksandReds wrote:- They have a great OL class but the 247 Composite (All 4 big ranking sites combined) have their 5 lowest ranked commits after long snapper being mid to low 3 star recruits at WR or TE. They will have a sick OL be decent on d but they can't get anyone at WR other than when they fight Akron, Bowling Green and Marshall for them.
- http://michigan.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football /Commits
Yep, easy answer. Top WR's want to actually see a QB who can get them the ball. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:01 PM
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I am no flaming when I say this, but there are so many Michigan fans who claim Morris and the second coming and he just tore up the camp circuit. So my question is why are the elite receivers flocking to him now? Did they see something in him at the camps that they did not like? goblue2000 wrote:
Yep, easy answer. Top WR's want to actually see a QB who can get them the ball. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:02 PM
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Braxton Miller had no talent around him at all, and carried his team on his back his senior year to the D1 HS final against St. Ed's upsetting Ohio elite powers along they way, they almost beat St. Ed's late all due to Miller. Come on...I've seen Wayne play; they always have talent. Not a knock on Miller but nobody carries a team to the Ohio DI championship with no help. |
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:08 PM
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Fair comment...those are fans being fans. Too early to tell how Morris really will be; I honestly think he could be good but is anything but a can't-miss. The last Michigan QB I thought was as close to a can't-miss as you can get was Drew Henson, and Morris isn't in the same zip code. Michigan really has to bring in a top QB next season. IMO there are too many question marks for these top receivers - they haven't seen where the Michigan offense will actually be, and just seeing Morris at camps isn't enough; he hasn't put the numbers up on the field...just as many here have pointed out. JohnCarrollBuckeye wrote: I am no flaming when I say this, but there are so many Michigan fans who claim Morris and the second coming and he just tore up the camp circuit. So my question is why are the elite receivers flocking to him now? Did they see something in him at the camps that they did not like?
goblue2000 wrote:
Yep, easy answer. Top WR's want to actually see a QB who can get them the ball.
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Posted: 12/20/2012 9:25 PM
RE: Why is scUM struggling so much with WR recruiting
Michigan's issue is the running game. as the osu game showed when mich cannot run, gardner was not an effective passer. he may improve, but, like osu they better hope the WR's develop in a big hurry
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:13 AM
RE: Why is scUM struggling so much with WR recruiting
I enjoy have a good OSU/UM debate but fans like brutus79 just ruin it. I wouldn't claim him as one of my own if i was a Buckeye fan.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:27 AM
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Why, because I presented real facts? Those are hard facts on Morris, you called out ignorance. Really, those were his junior year numbers and in the typical UofM fan delusional spin to make up fantasia excuses, you did not even know that kids junior numbers. Try doing some homework. You said Elliott burst out of the camps and jumped into the spotlight? Wrong, his elite offers before he picked OSU over Notre Dame early on pretty much validates major BCS schools already knew about him when recruiting bases on these sites were behind. I will take schools like OSU, Notre Dame, Georgia, K State, Wisconsin, UCLA, Nebraska and others from the SEC, Big Ten and Pac 12 offering Elliott early on over your amatuer opinion. You started the mud slinging stating ignorance, I took it a tad higher. You cannot take what you start, go run back to GBW and their world of make believe about UofM football. The rest of college football and its fans are like me, Michigan is irrelevant. I gave facts, real facts to back that up as well like: 1. no Big Ten titles since 2003 in a crap conference. 2. embarrassing losses at home to App State, Oregon in a blow out and a 2 win Toledo. 3. Having losing records the last 5 years to Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa besides OSU. 4. Meyer has two national titles and many conferences titles vs. 0 in all for Hoke. 5. I could go on, and will not. You bring up Elliott's competition, so what. Elliott puts up huge huge numbers against that competition and got his team to the state title game this year. Morris plays against mediocre competition in large part, and he does not dominate it, and he has mediocre numbers. That is where your argument never got out of the starter blocks and was a fail from the get go. Just the facts, something you do not bring to any conversation, all hypothetical dreams of what might be. MWolverines15 wrote: I enjoy have a good OSU/UM debate but fans like brutus79 just ruin it. I wouldn't claim him as one of my own if i was a Buckeye fan. Install BS deflectors for GBW posters.
Last edited 12/21/2012 9:46 AM by brutus79
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:52 AM
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Michigan has had (2) 10 win seasons since 2006 with some very bad season since then as well. How is Michigan gonna be better next year? They lose the AF,NW, and MSU games this year without Denard. Next year they lose Denard, 4 starting OL, Roundtree, and others. Michigans OL could not run block to save their lives. Hell they were - yards rushing against us if you take Denards numbers away. Next question to Michigan fans is this...how many points do you score with Denard against us this year? 7 at most... Michigan better pray Morris is a stud because if he is not 2013, 2014, and 2015 are gonna be rough season. brutus79 wrote: Why, because I presented real facts? Those are hard facts on Morris, you called out ignorance. Really, those were his junior year numbers and in the typical UofM fan delusional spin to make up fantasia excuses, you did not even know that kids junior numbers. Try doing some homework.
You said Elliott burst out of the camps and jumped into the spotlight? Wrong, his elite offers before he picked OSU over Notre Dame early on pretty much validates major BCS schools already knew about him when recruiting bases on these sites were behind.
I will take schools like OSU, Notre Dame, Georgia, K State, Wisconsin, UCLA, Nebraska and others from the SEC, Big Ten and Pac 12 offering Elliott early on over your amatuer opinion.
You started the mud slinging stating ignorance, I took it a tad higher. You cannot take what you start, go run back to GBW and their world of make believe about UofM football.
The rest of college football and its fans are like me, Michigan is irrelevant.
I gave facts, real facts to back that up as well like: 1. no Big Ten titles since 2003 in a crap conference. 2. embarrassing losses at home to App State, Oregon in a blow out and a 2 win Toledo. 3. Having losing records the last 5 years to Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa besides OSU. 4. Meyer has two national titles and many conferences titles vs. 0 in all for Hoke. 5. I could go on, and will not.
You bring up Elliott's competition, so what. Elliott puts up huge huge numbers against that competition and got his team to the state title game this year. Morris plays against mediocre competition in large part, and he does not dominate it, and he has mediocre numbers. That is where your argument never got out of the starter blocks and was a fail from the get go.
Just the facts, something you do not bring to any conversation, all hypothetical dreams of what might be.
MWolverines15 wrote: I enjoy have a good OSU/UM debate but fans like brutus79 just ruin it. I wouldn't claim him as one of my own if i was a Buckeye fan. |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:28 AM
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MWolverines15 wrote: I enjoy have a good OSU/UM debate but fans like brutus79 just ruin it. I wouldn't claim him as one of my own if i was a Buckeye fan. IF you don't like the FACTS, then GET-LOST Mich Troll and go back to a delusional Mich board. It's funny watching Mich Trolls read the FACTS........AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND, the mich-trolls are receiving a dose of "electro-shock-therapy" and being forced to deal with REALITY  |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:51 AM
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brutus79 wrote: Why, because I presented real facts? Those are hard facts on Morris, you called out ignorance. Really, those were his junior year numbers and in the typical UofM fan delusional spin to make up fantasia excuses, you did not even know that kids junior numbers. Try doing some homework.
You said Elliott burst out of the camps and jumped into the spotlight? Wrong, his elite offers before he picked OSU over Notre Dame early on pretty much validates major BCS schools already knew about him when recruiting bases on these sites were behind.
I will take schools like OSU, Notre Dame, Georgia, K State, Wisconsin, UCLA, Nebraska and others from the SEC, Big Ten and Pac 12 offering Elliott early on over your amatuer opinion.
You started the mud slinging stating ignorance, I took it a tad higher. You cannot take what you start, go run back to GBW and their world of make believe about UofM football.
The rest of college football and its fans are like me, Michigan is irrelevant.
I gave facts, real facts to back that up as well like: 1. no Big Ten titles since 2003 in a crap conference. 2. embarrassing losses at home to App State, Oregon in a blow out and a 2 win Toledo. 3. Having losing records the last 5 years to Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa besides OSU. 4. Meyer has two national titles and many conferences titles vs. 0 in all for Hoke. 5. I could go on, and will not.
You bring up Elliott's competition, so what. Elliott puts up huge huge numbers against that competition and got his team to the state title game this year. Morris plays against mediocre competition in large part, and he does not dominate it, and he has mediocre numbers. That is where your argument never got out of the starter blocks and was a fail from the get go.
Just the facts, something you do not bring to any conversation, all hypothetical dreams of what might be.
MWolverines15 wrote: I enjoy have a good OSU/UM debate but fans like brutus79 just ruin it. I wouldn't claim him as one of my own if i was a Buckeye fan. DAMN, brutus laid it down!!! All i know is Michigan fans better pray that Shane Morris is all they built him up to be because they're putting all their' eggs in one carton with him in claiming he's the savior. Morris isn't helping himself at all by already putting a huge bullseye on his back and not doing anything to warrant his trash talk on the field according to his mediocre stats. I actually think Chad Henne will end up having the better college career than Morris will when it's all said and done. I just can't wait for those games to start and he better pray he doesn't Mike Hart it up |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:58 AM
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Your obession with Shane Morris is kind of creepy. brutus79 wrote: Why, because I presented real facts? Those are hard facts on Morris, you called out ignorance. Really, those were his junior year numbers and in the typical UofM fan delusional spin to make up fantasia excuses, you did not even know that kids junior numbers. Try doing some homework.
You said Elliott burst out of the camps and jumped into the spotlight? Wrong, his elite offers before he picked OSU over Notre Dame early on pretty much validates major BCS schools already knew about him when recruiting bases on these sites were behind.
I will take schools like OSU, Notre Dame, Georgia, K State, Wisconsin, UCLA, Nebraska and others from the SEC, Big Ten and Pac 12 offering Elliott early on over your amatuer opinion.
You started the mud slinging stating ignorance, I took it a tad higher. You cannot take what you start, go run back to GBW and their world of make believe about UofM football.
The rest of college football and its fans are like me, Michigan is irrelevant.
I gave facts, real facts to back that up as well like: 1. no Big Ten titles since 2003 in a crap conference. 2. embarrassing losses at home to App State, Oregon in a blow out and a 2 win Toledo. 3. Having losing records the last 5 years to Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa besides OSU. 4. Meyer has two national titles and many conferences titles vs. 0 in all for Hoke. 5. I could go on, and will not.
You bring up Elliott's competition, so what. Elliott puts up huge huge numbers against that competition and got his team to the state title game this year. Morris plays against mediocre competition in large part, and he does not dominate it, and he has mediocre numbers. That is where your argument never got out of the starter blocks and was a fail from the get go.
Just the facts, something you do not bring to any conversation, all hypothetical dreams of what might be.
MWolverines15 wrote: I enjoy have a good OSU/UM debate but fans like brutus79 just ruin it. I wouldn't claim him as one of my own if i was a Buckeye fan. |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:04 PM
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No, the facts about his performance against mediocre competition is easy to find and see. It is pretty simple to google kids stats or get on these websites and find them. Your continual obession with coming to an OSU board is creepy, but fans from a fan base that has not won a Big Ten title since 2003, has a .5 a national title in close to 70 years, and reside in a state in downturn and despair, your presence here is given a pass. Why do you keep coming here? Myself and many others do not visit your website, I do not want to shower and delouse post a GBW visit. You keep coming here seeking validation or something, well it ain't happening. We do acknowledge your irrelevance though. The understanding of rooting for a team that is not elite and probably residing in a state of decay earns you a pass, we symphathize with your plight. Still, UofM fans are easily a culture coma delusional fan base clinging to hope vs. reality, we understand that as well. UofM is etched in the historical annals with App State and a two win Toledo team, and for that all of us will be greatly appreciative, those were great memories. You keep coming here over and over why? You want validation? The truth hurts sometimes, that is okay as well. MichiganNumber1 wrote: Your obession with Shane Morris is kind of creepy.
brutus79 wrote: Why, because I presented real facts? Those are hard facts on Morris, you called out ignorance. Really, those were his junior year numbers and in the typical UofM fan delusional spin to make up fantasia excuses, you did not even know that kids junior numbers. Try doing some homework.
You said Elliott burst out of the camps and jumped into the spotlight? Wrong, his elite offers before he picked OSU over Notre Dame early on pretty much validates major BCS schools already knew about him when recruiting bases on these sites were behind.
I will take schools like OSU, Notre Dame, Georgia, K State, Wisconsin, UCLA, Nebraska and others from the SEC, Big Ten and Pac 12 offering Elliott early on over your amatuer opinion.
You started the mud slinging stating ignorance, I took it a tad higher. You cannot take what you start, go run back to GBW and their world of make believe about UofM football.
The rest of college football and its fans are like me, Michigan is irrelevant.
I gave facts, real facts to back that up as well like: 1. no Big Ten titles since 2003 in a crap conference. 2. embarrassing losses at home to App State, Oregon in a blow out and a 2 win Toledo. 3. Having losing records the last 5 years to Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa besides OSU. 4. Meyer has two national titles and many conferences titles vs. 0 in all for Hoke. 5. I could go on, and will not.
You bring up Elliott's competition, so what. Elliott puts up huge huge numbers against that competition and got his team to the state title game this year. Morris plays against mediocre competition in large part, and he does not dominate it, and he has mediocre numbers. That is where your argument never got out of the starter blocks and was a fail from the get go.
Just the facts, something you do not bring to any conversation, all hypothetical dreams of what might be.
MWolverines15 wrote: I enjoy have a good OSU/UM debate but fans like brutus79 just ruin it. I wouldn't claim him as one of my own if i was a Buckeye fan. Install BS deflectors for GBW posters.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:16 PM
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I don't think anyone is proclaiming Morris the second coming, but it is always exciting for a program to land a 5 star talent. With that comes expectations, more so when it involves QB prospect. Shane still needs a lot of work before he ever sees the field at Michigan. Luckily, DG will have maybe two more years at QB. As for WR recuiting, the are a number of things that I could point to. First, being the offense under Denard. The second is that out O-coordinator needs to do a better job recruiting. Finally, lack of WR talent in Michgan and the midwest in general. Michigan put most of its eggs in landing Treadwell and that looks like a bust. This staff continues to put the emphasis in the trenches. I expect M to add 6 and maybe 7 OL to the class. Yes, we need lineman that badly. JohnCarrollBuckeye wrote: I am no flaming when I say this, but there are so many Michigan fans who claim Morris and the second coming and he just tore up the camp circuit. So my question is why are the elite receivers flocking to him now? Did they see something in him at the camps that they did not like?
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:20 PM
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MichiganNumber1 wrote: I don't think anyone is proclaiming Morris the second coming, but it is always exciting for a program to land a 5 star talent. With that comes expectations, more so when it involves QB prospect. Shane still needs a lot of work before he ever sees the field at Michigan. Luckily, DG will have maybe two more years at QB. As for WR recuiting, the are a number of things that I could point to. First, being the offense under Denard. The second is that out O-coordinator needs to do a better job recruiting. Finally, lack of WR talent in Michgan and the midwest in general. Michigan put most of its eggs in landing Treadwell and that looks like a bust. This staff continues to put the emphasis in the trenches. I expect M to add 6 and maybe 7 OL to the class. Yes, we need lineman that badly.
JohnCarrollBuckeye wrote: I am no flaming when I say this, but there are so many Michigan fans who claim Morris and the second coming and he just tore up the camp circuit. So my question is why are the elite receivers flocking to him now? Did they see something in him at the camps that they did not like?
goblue2000 wrote:
Yep, easy answer. Top WR's want to actually see a QB who can get them the ball. With not getting Treadwell, you guy's really gotta get a power back in the class in Green behind the OL recruits. I'm not sure he'll end up at Michigan because he seems to like to go back and forth with who he says is his favorite but who knows |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:32 PM
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Yeah, Green would be a welcomed addition, but I think D. Smith is going to be really good behind this line. Michigan has a good as shot with Green as anyone and helped by Auburn and Tennessee being a mess. OhiozFinezt wrote:
MichiganNumber1 wrote: I don't think anyone is proclaiming Morris the second coming, but it is always exciting for a program to land a 5 star talent. With that comes expectations, more so when it involves QB prospect. Shane still needs a lot of work before he ever sees the field at Michigan. Luckily, DG will have maybe two more years at QB. As for WR recuiting, the are a number of things that I could point to. First, being the offense under Denard. The second is that out O-coordinator needs to do a better job recruiting. Finally, lack of WR talent in Michgan and the midwest in general. Michigan put most of its eggs in landing Treadwell and that looks like a bust. This staff continues to put the emphasis in the trenches. I expect M to add 6 and maybe 7 OL to the class. Yes, we need lineman that badly.
JohnCarrollBuckeye wrote: I am no flaming when I say this, but there are so many Michigan fans who claim Morris and the second coming and he just tore up the camp circuit. So my question is why are the elite receivers flocking to him now? Did they see something in him at the camps that they did not like?
goblue2000 wrote:
Yep, easy answer. Top WR's want to actually see a QB who can get them the ball. With not getting Treadwell, you guy's really gotta get a power back in the class in Green behind the OL recruits. I'm not sure he'll end up at Michigan because he seems to like to go back and forth with who he says is his favorite but who knows |
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Posted: 12/21/2012 1:10 PM
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I think he has talent but I do not think he has showed himself to be all conference worthy as of yet --------------------------------------------- --- MichiganNumber1 wrote: Yes, I believe so, but you have the right to your opinion. The talent is there and he will continue to improve over the next three years. unizan wrote:
Funchess has shown he is a future all conference player? He had 5 td four came aginst Air force, Illinois, Iowa and northwestern so how did he prove anything
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I agree with buckeyemark. The offense was all Denard the past three years and it is difficult to convince recruits that the offense will be different moving forward. Denard was a poor passer and terrible decision maker. Our WR could get separation this year, but Denard could not deliver the ball (or made the wrong read).
The concern about WR is overblown. Darboh (from the 2012 class) will push for a spot in 2013. Funchess has already shown that he is a future all conference player and is more of a TE/WR hybrid. Gallon can run and really took off with Devin under center and should put together a solid senior campaign.
buckeyemark wrote: Probably because their offense the past 3 years has been Denard Robinson.
Not really sure what the offense will look like now.
BucksandReds wrote:- They have a great OL class but the 247 Composite (All 4 big ranking sites combined) have their 5 lowest ranked commits after long snapper being mid to low 3 star recruits at WR or TE. They will have a sick OL be decent on d but they can't get anyone at WR other than when they fight Akron, Bowling Green and Marshall for them.
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