Again, I agree.  I apparnetly didn't come off complimentary enough of Jalin, he looks like a great recruit.  Harvin was pretty unique...

strandedbuck wrote: Marshall runs more like Braxton Miller, imo.

The most "dynamic" athlete Urban has ever coached according to him. so I'll take it. 

I would obviously take a Percy Harvin talent over all, but there isn't even one of those guys nationally every year. Just like people act like Ted Ginns come around often... they just aren't in the crop of HS talent every year.

1984gator wrote: Marshall may develop into a good player but he has nothing remotely resembling Harvins speed and elusiveness.  They aren't built similarly and they do not perform alike.  Harvin stepped on the field as a true Freshman with his abilituies.  In fact, it was the combo of Harvin AND rtebow that made Tebow so successful.  When harvin left a year early for the pros, the team with all the other NFL players returning on both sides of the ball delivered 20 PPG less  and won games close before the Bama SEC title game.  This also coincides with Meyer's meltdown.  Bottom line is Florida had a lot of great players but Harvin was the spark that made them unstoppable.  Marshall isn't showing that type of ability...

Thenationalchampions wrote: After comparing Marshall's highlight vids to James Quick, Marshall has a much higher ceiling imo.  He's more elusive, and he's more physical.  The only unknown is whether he can be consistent enough at a new position, whereas Quick plays WR, -but I have a feeling Marshall is that rare type that will make it a smooth transition. 

If we get Quick, great, but I think it's much more important that we get an OL, a S, and another LB (or two.)

I think we are set at skill guys on the offensive side.  I'm still excited to see what Warren Ball can do -i think he has the highest ceiling at RB.  I'd toy w/the idea of making Elliot a WR -he looks like another who could change positions.

strandedbuck wrote: Marshall runs more like Braxton Miller, imo.

The most "dynamic" athlete Urban has ever coached according to him. so I'll take it. 

I would obviously take a Percy Harvin talent over all, but there isn't even one of those guys nationally every year. Just like people act like Ted Ginns come around often... they just aren't in the crop of HS talent every year.

1984gator wrote: Marshall may develop into a good player but he has nothing remotely resembling Harvins speed and elusiveness.  They aren't built similarly and they do not perform alike.  Harvin stepped on the field as a true Freshman with his abilituies.  In fact, it was the combo of Harvin AND rtebow that made Tebow so successful.  When harvin left a year early for the pros, the team with all the other NFL players returning on both sides of the ball delivered 20 PPG less  and won games close before the Bama SEC title game.  This also coincides with Meyer's meltdown.  Bottom line is Florida had a lot of great players but Harvin was the spark that made them unstoppable.  Marshall isn't showing that type of ability...

Thenationalchampions wrote: After comparing Marshall's highlight vids to James Quick, Marshall has a much higher ceiling imo.  He's more elusive, and he's more physical.  The only unknown is whether he can be consistent enough at a new position, whereas Quick plays WR, -but I have a feeling Marshall is that rare type that will make it a smooth transition. 

If we get Quick, great, but I think it's much more important that we get an OL, a S, and another LB (or two.)

I think we are set at skill guys on the offensive side.  I'm still excited to see what Warren Ball can do -i think he has the highest ceiling at RB.  I'd toy w/the idea of making Elliot a WR -he looks like another who could change positions.

Meyer later corrected himself and said most dynamic QB he's ever coached.

Meyer makes these comments far to often as you will find out

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strandedbuck wrote: Marshall runs more like Braxton Miller, imo.

The most "dynamic" athlete Urban has ever coached according to him. so I'll take it. 

I would obviously take a Percy Harvin talent over all, but there isn't even one of those guys nationally every year. Just like people act like Ted Ginns come around often... they just aren't in the crop of HS talent every year.

1984gator wrote: Marshall may develop into a good player but he has nothing remotely resembling Harvins speed and elusiveness.  They aren't built similarly and they do not perform alike.  Harvin stepped on the field as a true Freshman with his abilituies.  In fact, it was the combo of Harvin AND rtebow that made Tebow so successful.  When harvin left a year early for the pros, the team with all the other NFL players returning on both sides of the ball delivered 20 PPG less  and won games close before the Bama SEC title game.  This also coincides with Meyer's meltdown.  Bottom line is Florida had a lot of great players but Harvin was the spark that made them unstoppable.  Marshall isn't showing that type of ability...

Thenationalchampions wrote: After comparing Marshall's highlight vids to James Quick, Marshall has a much higher ceiling imo.  He's more elusive, and he's more physical.  The only unknown is whether he can be consistent enough at a new position, whereas Quick plays WR, -but I have a feeling Marshall is that rare type that will make it a smooth transition. 

If we get Quick, great, but I think it's much more important that we get an OL, a S, and another LB (or two.)

I think we are set at skill guys on the offensive side.  I'm still excited to see what Warren Ball can do -i think he has the highest ceiling at RB.  I'd toy w/the idea of making Elliot a WR -he looks like another who could change positions.

Meyer later corrected himself and said most dynamic QB he's ever coached.

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From all the talk about Jalin Marshall's ability and elusiveness and lack of elite speed he sounds to me like he may be a Peter Warrick type of player. That would be awesome as well.

cbreeze wrote: From all the talk about Jalin Marshall's ability and elusiveness and lack of elite speed he sounds to me like he may be a Peter Warrick type of player. That would be awesome as well.

Much better comparision IMHO.  Harvin ran something like 10.46 100m in high school.  Warrick didn't and Marshall doesn't possess that top end speed, but both had/have that explosive first step, the ability to cut on a dime and juke you out of your socks like Harvin IMO.

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cbreeze wrote: From all the talk about Jalin Marshall's ability and elusiveness and lack of elite speed he sounds to me like he may be a Peter Warrick type of player. That would be awesome as well.

Much better comparision IMHO.  Harvin ran something like 10.46 100m in high school.  Warrick didn't and Marshall doesn't possess that top end speed, but both had/have that explosive first step, the ability to cut on a dime and juke you out of your socks like Harvin IMO.

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I would value a Ted Ginn recruit as mucn as a Harvin type.  Ginn was the most explosive buckeye I seen with my eyes.

Harvin's early resume suggests he's not easy to replace, in 2001 national midget 4x100 relay champion, 2000 national pop warner championship, 4 state records 5 medals in track in finals meet or something his junior year, won in Long Jump (Jalin did also) but also 100 meter dash.

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--- Delreek wrote:

I would value a Ted Ginn recruit as mucn as a Harvin type.  Ginn was the most explosive buckeye I seen with my eyes.

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I was just about to say this

You don't remember Maurice Clarrett?

Maker84 wrote:

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--- Delreek wrote:

I would value a Ted Ginn recruit as mucn as a Harvin type.  Ginn was the most explosive buckeye I seen with my eyes.

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I was just about to say this

ryecatcher773 wrote: You don't remember Maurice Clarrett?

Maker84 wrote:

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--- Delreek wrote:

I would value a Ted Ginn recruit as mucn as a Harvin type.  Ginn was the most explosive buckeye I seen with my eyes.

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I was just about to say this

I don't think explosive means what you think it means.

IMHO Joey Galloway > Ginn Jr.   But Ginn Jr, sure was fun to watch and one certainly couldn't dispute the above comment about Ginn.   Well within reason.

I think what made Ginn so memorable, and perhaps even moreso than Galloway, was that you could tell when he was going to score even if it was 70 yards from the endzone.   He would get that "lean forward" to him and when you saw that you knew he saw it and he just put it into 9th gear and it was over.

3IDBUCK wrote:

cbreeze wrote: From all the talk about Jalin Marshall's ability and elusiveness and lack of elite speed he sounds to me like he may be a Peter Warrick type of player. That would be awesome as well.

Much better comparision IMHO.  Harvin ran something like 10.46 100m in high school.  Warrick didn't and Marshall doesn't possess that top end speed, but both had/have that explosive first step, the ability to cut on a dime and juke you out of your socks like Harvin IMO.

Warrick is probably a fair comparison. Marshall's best 200M is 23.07, his best long jump 23f, and his best high jump 6'8. I don't think we have to worry about LBs constantly catching him from behind.......

I agree wholeheartedly about the peter warrick comparison. Marshalls elusiveness and strength is unmatched!

Jalin's solid, but the expectations are a bit too high. Warrick's style is different as well, he's more rambly.

NiTrane wrote:

ryecatcher773 wrote: You don't remember Maurice Clarrett?

Maker84 wrote:

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I would value a Ted Ginn recruit as mucn as a Harvin type.  Ginn was the most explosive buckeye I seen with my eyes.

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I was just about to say this

I don't think explosive means what you think it means.

IMHO Joey Galloway > Ginn Jr.   But Ginn Jr, sure was fun to watch and one certainly couldn't dispute the above comment about Ginn.   Well within reason.

I think what made Ginn so memorable, and perhaps even moreso than Galloway, was that you could tell when he was going to score even if it was 70 yards from the endzone.   He would get that "lean forward" to him and when you saw that you knew he saw it and he just put it into 9th gear and it was over.

You are probably right about galloway being more explosive than ginn but ginn demanded more of a double team and still couldn't be covered.  As far as pure explosiveness galloway looked like ben johnson running the hundred.

Someone mentioned (clarett one of my favorites) but he was not explosive in a way of galloway or ginn but he was one of the most complete players to come in to osu. Man, what could have been.

When people say that Jalin Marshall is Meyer's Ohio State version of Percy Harvin, they don't mean that Marshall is Harvin. What they mean is that Marshall fits the role of the playmaker hybrid flex position that Harvin popularized.

For some reason this always flies over people's heads and this turns into a pissing contest, which completely misses the point.

I would like to see Meyer continue to tailor the scheme to personnel, I hope Carlos Hyde proved to Meyer that power running is a nice thing also. We don't have to be an imitation of Florida, we can be what works given our talent. Florida does provide a nice framework though.

SurfOhio wrote: I would like to see Meyer continue to tailor the scheme to personnel, I hope Carlos Hyde proved to Meyer that power running is a nice thing also. We don't have to be an imitation of Florida, we can be what works given our talent. Florida does provide a nice framework though.

He has put a pretty high value on power running seeing the use of Hyde and the recruitment of Dunn. He and Herman have also discussed using the power running game several times as well.

1926Buckeyes wrote:

SurfOhio wrote: I would like to see Meyer continue to tailor the scheme to personnel, I hope Carlos Hyde proved to Meyer that power running is a nice thing also. We don't have to be an imitation of Florida, we can be what works given our talent. Florida does provide a nice framework though.

He has put a pretty high value on power running seeing the use of Hyde and the recruitment of Dunn. He and Herman have also discussed using the power running game several times as well.

 he trusted Hyde in the Mich game.

Narfa is spot on

Its just a role 

Jalin fits the profile well