I'm not here to debate. You said Alex Boone was a terrible tackle at Ohio State and that was flat-out assinine wrong. So Alex has done well at guard in San Francisco. That's terrific. That doesn't change history of many good college tackles that move inside in the NFL. Including Boone.

Delreek wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

Delreek wrote:

Thenationalchampions wrote: It made me sick seeing this.  This guy could have been so much better at tOSU.

He was out of position in college, he is a good guard and terrible tackle.  He is a mauler at run blacking and complete lioability against edge rushers in the pass game.  He would have domionated at osu at guard.

He wasnt out of position. He was our best left tackle, the most important spot on the offensive line. You're a clown. The Buckeyes were better with him at that spot because no one did it better. Many, many NFL guards were tackles in college who werent good enough to man that position in the NFL. Dan Dierdorf, a hall of fame guard, was a left tackle at Michigan.

At Ohio State, Alex Boone was all Big Ten (first or second team) three times. He wasn't a terrible tackle. But you are a terrible poster.

Wow, you are one great debater.  Of course, common wisdom says that he was too tall to play guard and you see how much harbaugh cares about that wisdom.  no matter how many all big ten boone made at osu his weakness was blocking outside pass rushers.  Playing guard he does not have that problem and he can do what he does best and that is drive block the man in front of him into the ground. 

I am not a johnny come lately to this discussion this is what I said when he was at osu. Carry on with your intelligent descriptions of the great poster you believe me to be.

truebuckeye99 wrote: I'm not here to debate. You said Alex Boone was a terrible tackle at Ohio State and that was flat-out assinine wrong. So Alex has done well at guard in San Francisco. That's terrific. That doesn't change history of many good college tackles that move inside in the NFL. Including Boone.

Delreek wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

Delreek wrote:

Thenationalchampions wrote: It made me sick seeing this.  This guy could have been so much better at tOSU.

He was out of position in college, he is a good guard and terrible tackle.  He is a mauler at run blacking and complete lioability against edge rushers in the pass game.  He would have domionated at osu at guard.

He wasnt out of position. He was our best left tackle, the most important spot on the offensive line. You're a clown. The Buckeyes were better with him at that spot because no one did it better. Many, many NFL guards were tackles in college who werent good enough to man that position in the NFL. Dan Dierdorf, a hall of fame guard, was a left tackle at Michigan.

At Ohio State, Alex Boone was all Big Ten (first or second team) three times. He wasn't a terrible tackle. But you are a terrible poster.

Wow, you are one great debater.  Of course, common wisdom says that he was too tall to play guard and you see how much harbaugh cares about that wisdom.  no matter how many all big ten boone made at osu his weakness was blocking outside pass rushers.  Playing guard he does not have that problem and he can do what he does best and that is drive block the man in front of him into the ground. 

I am not a johnny come lately to this discussion this is what I said when he was at osu. Carry on with your intelligent descriptions of the great poster you believe me to be.

You may want to look up the word debate and find out what you aren't doing.  You are right I should not have said he is a terrible tackle I should have said he was terrible at pass blocking outside pass rushers and that is why he should have moved to guard.  As I said I have been saying that since he was at osu like I said.

Continue not debating the issue and coming up with those unique descriptive names you keep using.

In Boone's defense, if we moved every tackle that was bad at pass blocking in the Tressel years to guard then we would of had no one to play tackle.

narfa wrote: In Boone's defense, if we moved every tackle that was bad at pass blocking in the Tressel years to guard then we would of had no one to play tackle.

It would not work with every tackle only with Boone, as his skillset if better suited for guard although his size is ideal for tackle and that is why people assume he would be a good or even great tackle. 

You can't be a great tackles if you aren't quick enough to handle outside pass rushers and it doesn't matter how tall you are.

The guy started for the buckeyes, its not like he was laying in the gutter. I will say that 99.9% of college students could not drink and perform like he did. I know you have kids in college now, but don't fool yourself, they get blacked out drunk too.
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95% of college kids are drunks or have a serious drinking problem that interferes with their ability to function?

BuckeyesNation12 wrote: As are 95% of college kids. I have hung out with him and yes, the dude can pound some brew(drank straight from the pitcher) but he got his act together and will make enough money to support a family for life off of less than a decade of work. So kudos to him, I never saw him get violent when drinking or anything destructive like many that age do. But he was a god awful karaoke singer. Wish him all the success in the world

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He was a horrible drunk at Ohio State. Unfortunately, there was no one to push him for playing time.

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this is just plane nuts

at the same time that Boone who was 6'8" and 325 was playing LT and Steve Rehring at 6'8" and 315 was playing left guard

they played where they played because they were the best we had at that time for those positions according to that staff

about the only position that coaches "sometime" put limits on size for is center as they typically dont want them 6'8" as it becomes harder for snapping, ie bending over and to give the QB a bit more vision in the center of the field with a 6'5" guy rather than 6'8"

Boone was a solid LT in college, in fact more than solid, as noted he was All Big ten several times

did he live up to the Orlando Pace hype he got coming out of HS? no

but how often does that happen

also OSU had several OL guys of vary size

guys like Kirk Barton at 6-6,

bryant browning who had to play RT because we had no one else

or Jim Cordle who played all across the line

i dont know how good or bad an OL coach Bollman was, i would say the results were often less than desired

but we also know that with the new SC coach we saw a huge improvement in conditioning, so my guess is part of the past balme for failures lies there, as well as Bollman

but in the end it may have been lousy OL recruiting and misjudging talent at the HS level>>>>

Gadhafi wrote: OSU old coaches like many try to put a size limit on positions in my mind. He was too big to play guard or something.

As I said Boones weakness was his feet were not quick enough to handle fast outside pass rushers.  Anybody that understands football knows that.

sanitarian2 wrote: 95% of college kids are drunks or have a serious drinking problem that interferes with their ability to function?

BuckeyesNation12 wrote: As are 95% of college kids. I have hung out with him and yes, the dude can pound some brew(drank straight from the pitcher) but he got his act together and will make enough money to support a family for life off of less than a decade of work. So kudos to him, I never saw him get violent when drinking or anything destructive like many that age do. But he was a god awful karaoke singer. Wish him all the success in the world

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He was a horrible drunk at Ohio State. Unfortunately, there was no one to push him for playing time.

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Boone was a big time drinker in high school too.

Alex Boone rated out this year according to Profootball Focus as the 3rd rated guard.  Hes not going to play Tackle with SF with Staley and A. Davis in place but another team would definitely give him a shot at RT or possibly even LT similar to Andrew Whitworth.
Boone was talented enough in college to be out of shape and still be a top lineman.  But the deficiencies killed OSU in the Natonal Title game.  I am sure Alex himself  would tell you if he had the same work ethic as a pro as he had in college: he would have been more than able to handle the Florida DEs.   The problem in college was conditioning not the position he played.

davidmac wrote: Alex Boone rated out this year according to Profootball Focus as the 3rd rated guard.  Hes not going to play Tackle with SF with Staley and A. Davis in place but another team would definitely give him a shot at RT or possibly even LT similar to Andrew Whitworth.
Boone was talented enough in college to be out of shape and still be a top lineman.  But the deficiencies killed OSU in the Natonal Title game.  I am sure Alex himself  would tell you if he had the same work ethic as a pro as he had in college: he would have been more than able to handle the Florida DEs.   The problem in college was conditioning not the position he played.

Those deficences are the reason he is, and has been better suited to be a guard even at the college level.  His deficencies at tackle are not there at guard. 

Again he weakness is his feet are too slow to handle fast pass rushers, that was the case at osu and in the pros.  He didn't have problems with conditioning when it came to run blocking he did that fine all the time.  His pass blocking was the problem.

And then you made a huge leap in logic to proclaim he was a "terrible" tackle, despite twice winning all-conference honors. You still haven't identified who would've been better in Boone's slot.

Anybody that understands football knows that guys switch positions in the pros for a myriad of reasons.

Delreek wrote: As I said Boones weakness was his feet were not quick enough to handle fast outside pass rushers.  Anybody that understands football knows that.

No one could of played better than Boone, which says more about the recruiting and coaching than it does against Boone. The guy obviously had problems that detracted away from his potential and to think the coaching staff didn't know about it is unbelievable. However, what could they do? He was still the best player to play at the position. So you stick a dude out there who is out of shape and out of position because you don't have any other options.

Just file it under the rest of the offensive line miscues that we had to deal with in the 00s. Our pass blocking as a whole was always poor and we never had good tackle play. It is what it is, which is over.

TheStoicPaisano wrote: And then you made a huge leap in logic to proclaim he was a "terrible" tackle, despite twice winning all-conference honors. You still haven't identified who would've been better in Boone's slot.

Anybody that understands football knows that guys switch positions in the pros for a myriad of reasons.

Delreek wrote: As I said Boones weakness was his feet were not quick enough to handle fast outside pass rushers.  Anybody that understands football knows that.

I beleive I clarified myself in a previous email as I didn't mean he was a terrible tackle but that he was terrible at blockingn outside pass rushers that would have made him more suited to play guard.

The reasons he switched to guard was because his game is more suited to be a guard because he doesn't have to deal with outside speed rushers.  If he had to do that he would be out of the nfl.

narfa wrote: No one could of played better than Boone, which says more about the recruiting and coaching than it does against Boone. The guy obviously had problems that detracted away from his potential and to think the coaching staff didn't know about it is unbelievable. However, what could they do? He was still the best player to play at the position. So you stick a dude out there who is out of shape and out of position because you don't have any other options.

Just file it under the rest of the offensive line miscues that we had to deal with in the 00s. Our pass blocking as a whole was always poor and we never had good tackle play. It is what it is, which is over.

He was not a problem in the run game that is where he excelled.  In pass blocking he was a liability becuase os his inability to block speed rusher on the outside.  If you have games on tape go back and watch and tell me I am wrong.