blueswede wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote: He was held out for a reason. We don't see it with his on-air personality, but he must've pissed some people off royally to have been held out this long. Plus he had a sort of Art Monk career. Lots of stats, but nothing that amazing...

"but nothing that amazing..." automatically consigns your offering to the "file under idio-ostrich" heap.  the Monk analogy is inane beyond belief. your post is predictably borne of resentment, though probably more of OSU than Carter himself. 

Carter was nothing if not spectacular beyond belief. his game was about humbling DBs, who were seldom beaten by his speed, but routinely by his otherwise freakish athleticism. Carter was the anti-thesis of Jerry Rice, whose highlight reel is basically one play on a loop; the gathering in of the perfectly placed 8 yard slant followed by a straightline 50-yard-frightened-deer-gallop to the end zone, all of it untouched. Carter was soooooooo many things; while he was a schooled meticulous route runner, most of what he'll be remembered for is simply unteachable. it's god -given talent -- the impossibly graceful falling-out-of-bounds tippy-toes-sideline-catch with body control, leaping high with hapless DBs clinging to him, sustaining major contact and still spearing the ball one-handed. in a world that has become increasingly highlight driven, his reel is multifarious and unmatched, even though it began nearly 3 decades ago. THAT'S what makes his delay so absurd.

cylack wrote: And besides yourself most people think of Cris Carter as a spectacular player who made acrobatic catches. As Buddy Ryan said about him "all he does is score touchdowns".

When did Superbowl rings indicate how great a player is? I guess Gale Sayers wasn't hall worthy? It's a team sport; one player can't win it by himself. Another idiotic comment by you. Go back and troll the Alabama boards. Ohio State, 3rd most NFL hall of famers, spin away.

DeepSthBoy wrote:

blueswede wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote: He was held out for a reason. We don't see it with his on-air personality, but he must've pissed some people off royally to have been held out this long. Plus he had a sort of Art Monk career. Lots of stats, but nothing that amazing...

"but nothing that amazing..." automatically consigns your offering to the "file under idio-ostrich" heap.  the Monk analogy is inane beyond belief. your post is predictably borne of resentment, though probably more of OSU than Carter himself. 

Carter was nothing if not spectacular beyond belief. his game was about humbling DBs, who were seldom beaten by his speed, but routinely by his otherwise freakish athleticism. Carter was the anti-thesis of Jerry Rice, whose highlight reel is basically one play on a loop; the gathering in of the perfectly placed 8 yard slant followed by a straightline 50-yard-frightened-deer-gallop to the end zone, all of it untouched. Carter was soooooooo many things; while he was a schooled meticulous route runner, most of what he'll be remembered for is simply unteachable. it's god -given talent -- the impossibly graceful falling-out-of-bounds tippy-toes-sideline-catch with body control, leaping high with hapless DBs clinging to him, sustaining major contact and still spearing the ball one-handed. in a world that has become increasingly highlight driven, his reel is multifarious and unmatched, even though it began nearly 3 decades ago. THAT'S what makes his delay so absurd.

Monk:

13.5 Yds/reception
79 TDs
56.8 Yds/Games
3 Super Bowl Rings

Carter:

12.6 Yds/Reception
80 TDs
59.4 Yds/Game
ZERO Super Bowl rings

Carter -- no wonder it took him a while to get in. Most people think of Monk as a something of a pedestrian player. But at least he won SB rings. And his stats are right in the same area as Carter's.

cylack wrote: And besides yourself most people think of Cris Carter as a spectacular player who made acrobatic catches. As Buddy Ryan said about him "all he does is score touchdowns".

When did Superbowl rings indicate how great a player is? I guess Gale Sayers wasn't hall worthy? It's a team sport; one player can't win it by himself. Another idiotic comment by you. Go back and troll the Alabama boards. Ohio State, 3rd most NFL hall of famers, spin away.

Someone must be confusing Cris Carter with another player.  

Cris Carter scored 130 touchdowns, not 80.  He had over 50 more touchdowns in his career than did Art Monk.

Cris Carter has more catches, more yards, more touchdowns per game, and a far higher percentage of his catches for touchdowns than did Art Monk (scoring every 8-9x he made a catch versus every 11-12x).  He was a fantastic red zone threat, while Art Monk was not in his class.

After Buddy Ryan complained that all Carter does is score touchdowns, Carter went out and scored 111 more touchdowns.

Cris Carter made 8 pro bowls; Art Monk made 3 pro bowls.

Monk was a terrific receiver on really fine Redskin teams, but Cris Carter was a really special receiver, one who was in the top 5 all time in receptions, yards and top two in touchdowns when he retired. 

Congratulations Cris and Go Bucks!!

PS  It is crazy to argue that Super Bowl wins should be the criteria for selection to the Hall of Fame.  If this is the case, let's kick Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen and countless others out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and replace them with Steelers or 49ers backups, and while we are at it, let's kick Elgin Baylor out of the basketball hall of fame and install Bill Wennington and other Bulls, Celtics or Lakers backups.   

lostbuckfan wrote:

Someone must be confusing Cris Carter with another player.  

Cris Carter scored 130 touchdowns, not 80.  He had over 50 more touchdowns in his career than did Art Monk.

Cris Carter has more catches, more yards, more touchdowns per game, and a far higher percentage of his catches for touchdowns than did Art Monk (scoring every 8-9x he made a catch versus every 11-12x).  He was a fantastic red zone threat, while Art Monk was not in his class.

After Buddy Ryan complained that all Carter does is score touchdowns, Carter went out and scored 111 more touchdowns.

Cris Carter made 8 pro bowls; Art Monk made 3 pro bowls.

Monk was a terrific receiver on really fine Redskin teams, but Cris Carter was a really special receiver, one who was in the top 5 all time in receptions, yards and top two in touchdowns when he retired. 

Congratulations Cris and Go Bucks!!

PS  It is crazy to argue that Super Bowl wins should be the criteria for selection to the Hall of Fame.  If this is the case, let's kick Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Deacon Jones, Merlin Olsen and countless others out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and replace them with Steelers or 49ers backups, and while we are at it, let's kick Elgin Baylor out of the basketball hall of fame and install Bill Wennington and other Bulls, Celtics or Lakers backups.   

DeepSthBoy wrote: 
Monk:

13.5 Yds/reception
79 TDs
56.8 Yds/Games
3 Super Bowl Rings

Carter:

12.6 Yds/Reception
80 TDs
59.4 Yds/Game
ZERO Super Bowl rings

Carter -- no wonder it took him a while to get in. Most people think of Monk as a something of a pedestrian player. But at least he won SB rings. And his stats are right in the same area as Carter's.

DeepSthBoy wrote:

blueswede wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote: He was held out for a reason. We don't see it with his on-air personality, but he must've pissed some people off royally to have been held out this long. Plus he had a sort of Art Monk career. Lots of stats, but nothing that amazing...

"but nothing that amazing..." automatically consigns your offering to the "file under idio-ostrich" heap.  the Monk analogy is inane beyond belief. your post is predictably borne of resentment, though probably more of OSU than Carter himself. 

Carter was nothing if not spectacular beyond belief. his game was about humbling DBs, who were seldom beaten by his speed, but routinely by his otherwise freakish athleticism. Carter was the anti-thesis of Jerry Rice, whose highlight reel is basically one play on a loop; the gathering in of the perfectly placed 8 yard slant followed by a straightline 50-yard-frightened-deer-gallop to the end zone, all of it untouched. Carter was soooooooo many things; while he was a schooled meticulous route runner, most of what he'll be remembered for is simply unteachable. it's god -given talent -- the impossibly graceful falling-out-of-bounds tippy-toes-sideline-catch with body control, leaping high with hapless DBs clinging to him, sustaining major contact and still spearing the ball one-handed. in a world that has become increasingly highlight driven, his reel is multifarious and unmatched, even though it began nearly 3 decades ago. THAT'S what makes his delay so absurd.

Monk:

13.5 Yds/reception
79 TDs
56.8 Yds/Games
3 Super Bowl Rings

Carter:

12.6 Yds/Reception
80 TDs
59.4 Yds/Game
ZERO Super Bowl rings

Carter -- no wonder it took him a while to get in. Most people think of Monk as a something of a pedestrian player. But at least he won SB rings. And his stats are right in the same area as Carter's.

colloid wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote: He was held out for a reason. We don't see it with his on-air personality, but he must've pissed some people off royally to have been held out this long. Plus he had a sort of Art Monk career. Lots of stats, but nothing that amazing...

Monk:

13.5 Yds/reception
79 TDs
56.8 Yds/Games
3 Super Bowl Rings

Carter:

12.6 Yds/Reception
80 TDs
59.4 Yds/Game
ZERO Super Bowl rings

Carter -- no wonder it took him a while to get in. Most people think of Monk as a something of a pedestrian player. But at least he won SB rings. And his stats are right in the same area as Carter's.

You're looking under the wrong column.  Carter's career long reception is 80 yards.  He has 130 TDs.  Monk's career long reception is 79 yards.  He has 68 TDs.

DeepSthBoy wrote:

cylack wrote: And besides yourself most people think of Cris Carter as a spectacular player who made acrobatic catches. As Buddy Ryan said about him "all he does is score touchdowns".

When did Superbowl rings indicate how great a player is? I guess Gale Sayers wasn't hall worthy? It's a team sport; one player can't win it by himself. Another idiotic comment by you. Go back and troll the Alabama boards. Ohio State, 3rd most NFL hall of famers, spin away.

All I ever said was that there were reasons he had to wait. Never said he didn't belong. If "all he did was score TDs", then so did Monk, because Monks stats are almost identical.

As usual, OSU fans think their players are beyond reproach and the greatest ever. Clearly there are quite a lot of differing opinions out there. Imagine that.

cylack wrote: And besides yourself most people think of Cris Carter as a spectacular player who made acrobatic catches. As Buddy Ryan said about him "all he does is score touchdowns".

When did Superbowl rings indicate how great a player is? I guess Gale Sayers wasn't hall worthy? It's a team sport; one player can't win it by himself. Another idiotic comment by you. Go back and troll the Alabama boards. Ohio State, 3rd most NFL hall of famers, spin away.

colloid wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote:

Monk:

13.5 Yds/reception
79 TDs
56.8 Yds/Games
3 Super Bowl Rings

Carter:

12.6 Yds/Reception
80 TDs
59.4 Yds/Game
ZERO Super Bowl rings

Carter -- no wonder it took him a while to get in. Most people think of Monk as a something of a pedestrian player. But at least he won SB rings. And his stats are right in the same area as Carter's.

You're looking under the wrong column.  Carter's career long reception is 80 yards.  He has 130 TDs.  Monk's career long reception is 79 yards.  He has 68 TDs.

DeepSthBoy wrote:

blueswede wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote: He was held out for a reason. We don't see it with his on-air personality, but he must've pissed some people off royally to have been held out this long. Plus he had a sort of Art Monk career. Lots of stats, but nothing that amazing...

"but nothing that amazing..." automatically consigns your offering to the "file under idio-ostrich" heap.  the Monk analogy is inane beyond belief. your post is predictably borne of resentment, though probably more of OSU than Carter himself. 

Carter was nothing if not spectacular beyond belief. his game was about humbling DBs, who were seldom beaten by his speed, but routinely by his otherwise freakish athleticism. Carter was the anti-thesis of Jerry Rice, whose highlight reel is basically one play on a loop; the gathering in of the perfectly placed 8 yard slant followed by a straightline 50-yard-frightened-deer-gallop to the end zone, all of it untouched. Carter was soooooooo many things; while he was a schooled meticulous route runner, most of what he'll be remembered for is simply unteachable. it's god -given talent -- the impossibly graceful falling-out-of-bounds tippy-toes-sideline-catch with body control, leaping high with hapless DBs clinging to him, sustaining major contact and still spearing the ball one-handed. in a world that has become increasingly highlight driven, his reel is multifarious and unmatched, even though it began nearly 3 decades ago. THAT'S what makes his delay so absurd.

Monk:

13.5 Yds/reception
79 TDs
56.8 Yds/Games
3 Super Bowl Rings

Carter:

12.6 Yds/Reception
80 TDs
59.4 Yds/Game
ZERO Super Bowl rings

Carter -- no wonder it took him a while to get in. Most people think of Monk as a something of a pedestrian player. But at least he won SB rings. And his stats are right in the same area as Carter's.

bobdoleo wrote:

colloid wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote:

Monk:

13.5 Yds/reception
79 TDs
56.8 Yds/Games
3 Super Bowl Rings

Carter:

12.6 Yds/Reception
80 TDs
59.4 Yds/Game
ZERO Super Bowl rings

Carter -- no wonder it took him a while to get in. Most people think of Monk as a something of a pedestrian player. But at least he won SB rings. And his stats are right in the same area as Carter's.

You're looking under the wrong column.  Carter's career long reception is 80 yards.  He has 130 TDs.  Monk's career long reception is 79 yards.  He has 68 TDs.

DeepSthBoy - Maybe the reason stats are unimportant to you is that you don't know how to read them.

DeepSthBoy wrote:

blueswede wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote: He was held out for a reason. We don't see it with his on-air personality, but he must've pissed some people off royally to have been held out this long. Plus he had a sort of Art Monk career. Lots of stats, but nothing that amazing...

"but nothing that amazing..." automatically consigns your offering to the "file under idio-ostrich" heap.  the Monk analogy is inane beyond belief. your post is predictably borne of resentment, though probably more of OSU than Carter himself. 

Carter was nothing if not spectacular beyond belief. his game was about humbling DBs, who were seldom beaten by his speed, but routinely by his otherwise freakish athleticism. Carter was the anti-thesis of Jerry Rice, whose highlight reel is basically one play on a loop; the gathering in of the perfectly placed 8 yard slant followed by a straightline 50-yard-frightened-deer-gallop to the end zone, all of it untouched. Carter was soooooooo many things; while he was a schooled meticulous route runner, most of what he'll be remembered for is simply unteachable. it's god -given talent -- the impossibly graceful falling-out-of-bounds tippy-toes-sideline-catch with body control, leaping high with hapless DBs clinging to him, sustaining major contact and still spearing the ball one-handed. in a world that has become increasingly highlight driven, his reel is multifarious and unmatched, even though it began nearly 3 decades ago. THAT'S what makes his delay so absurd.

Monk:

13.5 Yds/reception
79 TDs
56.8 Yds/Games
3 Super Bowl Rings

Carter:

12.6 Yds/Reception
80 TDs
59.4 Yds/Game
ZERO Super Bowl rings

Carter -- no wonder it took him a while to get in. Most people think of Monk as a something of a pedestrian player. But at least he won SB rings. And his stats are right in the same area as Carter's.