HAWAIIANBUCKEYE wrote: I call em how I see em buddy.  You can be pissed at me I don't care because it's my opinion.  Not a fact.  Yeah, every fan base has their malcontents but the buckeyes version is the worst we've both seen.  That's our take.  

I don't have a "blind" loyalty to Te'o.  I have a lot of more understanding of the situation that nobody who hasn't grown up in that environment of his or around it can understand.  I sat back and waited until he spoke and then until after Ronaiah spoke.  In the beginning things didn't look good for Te'o and I admitted that, but kept saying...I will wait for more information.  Not like the blood thirsty public so quick to crucify someone who they just can't seem to fathom being able to be so trusting and so naive in today's world.  The majority of the public doesn't want to believe that a person like Manit exists because we as a society have fallen so far from our core values and ideals that we can't or don't want to believe that someone could still hold on to those values so much.  Anyway I will digress from this point of yours.

You don't have to like what I say and that's fine.  Again, I don't care.  Not gonna hurt my feelings any.  I'm not going to get pissed off over it.  

You don't have to care for me.  I don't even know who you are and don't care to.  My opinion on the Zanesville thing?  Yeah I wished it turned out better and yes, if you're shooting animals still in cages (that's what you just said) then that's total crap.  The ones out on the loose, yeah I get it but I still don't like it.  And as previously stated I don't care what you think and quite frankly you shouldn't care what I think.  Does it affect the way you eat, sleep, crap, or whatever?  No!  We all have opinions just like we all have aholes right?  So....carry on and feel free to put me on ignore!

 

theshoe75 wrote: Scott, I think you are way off on calling the buckeye faithfull terrible. Thats not your exact words but thats how you feel and I have seen the way you talk about the fans for years now on the forums. Most buckeye fans are great and thats saying something because we are the biggest fan base in the nation. With being the biggest fan base, sure your going to have a portion of the fans who are irresponsible and dont know what the heck they are talking about. So for you and your little buddy jay to sit there and make an assumption as ridiculous as that just pisses me off. You are so annoying and always have something demeaning to say. We dont care that you were just a punter here, we dont care about your "famous" friends, and we are tired of hearing about the stupid hawaian culture. If you dont want to be a buckeye fan nobody is forcing you too.

Your blind loyalty to Manti because he played at your high school is so obvious. He clearly embellished the story and him and his dad got caught saying in multiple interviews how they met in person. I think he did get hoaxed but also was loving the attention from the media with the whole situation.

By the way Scott, another reason i dont care for you is how you confidently said that during the zanesville animal fiasco that the redneck sheriffs were shooting everything for fun even if they were in their cages. Its bullcrap like that through the years that you spew, even if you had no idea what happened. And like i told you I have family and friends that were involved with those shootings and its the worst thing they have been through and nobody enjoyed it, they even went through counseling. So scott, shut the hell up and idc if i get banned its a stupid message board.

C'mon, man.  He perpetuted a lie that could do nothing but bring him sympathy, AFTER he knew it to be a lie and WHILE he was up for major awards in college football.  In what culture is that honorable?  Notre Dame really failed him with an education and learning to become a man, if what you believe is true.  Training camp is going to be hell for this kid.  The NFL veterans are going to have a field day with him.  They'll call him "Catfish" his whole career.  He'll never live it down, and it's going to impact his draft position (he looked out of his element playing in the CG which didn't help, either).  I think 'ol Catfish Teo slips to the mid-to-late 2nd round.

Back to Shazier... A great season, and looking forward to watching him perform at a high level this year.

We gathered three things from the manti teo saga.

1) Manti is gay. This is fact. His partner ronniah who he had a romantic relationship with for 3 years is a gay man. Enough said.

2) Manti exploited this situation to get attention and awards. He is one of the worst Pieces of sh** and pathological liars we have ever seen.This is fact. We already know manti found out about the "hoax" prior to winning all of his awards, yet when asked about his girlfriend afterwards manti didnt deny it and kept rolling with the ridiculous lies.

3) Manti Teo is beyond stupid. This is fAct. How the story played out speaks for itself.

why didnt you all just revive the Teo thread? or even better just read the frickin thing. I guarantee nothing any of you has said wasnt already said there.

no one can compare Shazier to a former linebacker? For me I am reminded of some of the harder hitting DBs weve seen play at tOSU but I want someone's opinion on a good linebacker comparison.

HAWAIIANBUCKEYE wrote:

ohio4president wrote: hawaiin i feel ya dawg.

And maybe you have insider knowledge.

But to an outside observer there is only 3 options:

1. Manti is gay, and this whole thing blew up in his face.
2. He lied about the girl to get publicity.
3. He is a moron.



That's just the way the nation is going to view him. Esp after how he endorsed this being such an inspiration, and had no business being the most decorated LB of all time awards wise.


Gotta understand the bitterness from Buckeye fans when you compare the numbers.

Not gonna even reply to one of the village idiots know as RipRattle.

But for you.

He's NOT gay.  That's a fact.

He didn't lie about the girl until he got a call on Dec 6th when he was told she was still alive.  His whole world went into a tailspin and didn't know what to do.  Was she alive?  Dead? What?  He didn't even tell his parents until Christmas Eve along with a close family friend who he refers to as Uncle Keith.  I know Keith personally FWIW.  So, he just carried on after Dec 6th as if nothing happened because he himself had no idea what to believe.  That in hindsight was the best thing anyways.  Everything to him was real.  He wasn't responsible for the sensationalism of the story.  That's the media.  It's not always about stats as everyone knows.  

He's not a moron.  Many people like Te'o have been duped in life.  Whether it's in this fashion or some business or investment deal etc.  People get taken all the time on scams.  Smart people are victims too.  He lived a different life than most and was sheltered a lot growing up.  Couple that with his culture and religion which was part of this sheltered life and you have a recipe for being very trustworthy and naive.  So, I get tired of people (you didn't say this) saying he's dumb or stupid.  As a matter of fact Te'o went to a school where 90% of the people who apply get rejected.  I'm not talking about Notre Dame either.  I'm talking about Punahou School.  For a kid like Te'o to do what he did at Punahou is incredible.  He lived on the North Shore and had to be on the road by 5:00am to get to school at 7:30am EVERYDAY!  Through all that he carried a 3.2 GPA and scored a whopping 1540 on his SAT.  

It's times like watching this saga unfold and reading ignorant and stupid posts that make me embarrassed to be associated with all the FANATICAL Buckeye fans.  I even had this conversation with my ESPN friend Jay Crawford (HUGE Buckeye but BGSU alum) and we agreed that in general a good portion of Buckeye fans are the most self righteous fans out there but at the same time the worst losers in the country.

The SAT is out of 2400 points now, so a 1540 isn't all that great of a score.  I would assume it's pretty good for a linebacker but overall it is probably in the 50-60% on the test.

hidownthai95 wrote: why didnt you all just revive the Teo thread? or even better just read the frickin thing. I guarantee nothing any of you has said wasnt already said there.

no one can compare Shazier to a former linebacker? For me I am reminded of some of the harder hitting DBs weve seen play at tOSU but I want someone's opinion on a good linebacker comparison.

I think Buckeye fans (and everyone outside of ND, really) take great pride in the fact that our LBs aren't catfishing for gay men in their spare time, or lying to reporters to gain sympathy prior to awards voting. 

Shazier has gathered attention by playing hard, being a leader, and doing things the right way.  This is in stark contrast to 'Catfish' Teo.  The sky is the limit for Shazier.

I was referring to the near 45 page thread about teo. we dont need a second thread about him. especially a thread that costs discussion about one of our own. 

rayb678 wrote:

hidownthai95 wrote: why didnt you all just revive the Teo thread? or even better just read the frickin thing. I guarantee nothing any of you has said wasnt already said there.

no one can compare Shazier to a former linebacker? For me I am reminded of some of the harder hitting DBs weve seen play at tOSU but I want someone's opinion on a good linebacker comparison.

I think Buckeye fans (and everyone outside of ND, really) take great pride in the fact that our LBs aren't catfishing for gay men in their spare time, or lying to reporters to gain sympathy prior to awards voting. 

Shazier has gathered attention by playing hard, being a leader, and doing things the right way.  This is in stark contrast to 'Catfish' Teo.  The sky is the limit for Shazier.

Would be more than happy to discuss sometime.  He answered the questions.  Hindsight is 20/20 and it's easy for us after the fact to take the easy way out.  When you're actually LIVING what he was it's not so easy to see "red flags".  You want everything to be so perfect you want to see nothing but the best in that other person.  This is the type of person Manti is.  People here for the most part will never get it.  To them it's not possible for someone to be that trusting and naive in this day and age.  I'm guessing you didn't read the entire Schaap transcript, watched the Couric interview and also the Tuiasosopo interview among other things.  Most people are just reading others interpretations most of which were already formed by the horrible Deadspin article that had minimal information compared to what we have now. Again, would be happy to discuss sometime.

BuckinDayton wrote: Did T'eo ever answer why he didn't go see this supposed girl....

1. When she was supposedly in a serious car wreck?

2. When she was then told that she had Leukemia?

3. When she was then on her death bed?

I've heard the story about her telling him to play a football game as opposed to going to the funeral. But wouldn't you look up the obit' or go visit the grave site after the fact? She died in early September, and he never followed up on her supposed death until getting a phone call in December? 

I can buy that he was initially duped. What I have a hard time wrapping my head around, is why he never visited her when all of these tragedies happened. Or at the very least, tried to find out some details.

rayb678 wrote: 
C'mon, man.  He perpetuted a lie that could do nothing but bring him sympathy, AFTER he knew it to be a lie and WHILE he was up for major awards in college football.  In what culture is that honorable?  Notre Dame really failed him with an education and learning to become a man, if what you believe is true.  Training camp is going to be hell for this kid.  The NFL veterans are going to have a field day with him.  They'll call him "Catfish" his whole career.  He'll never live it down, and it's going to impact his draft position (he looked out of his element playing in the CG which didn't help, either).  I think 'ol Catfish Teo slips to the mid-to-late 2nd round.

Back to Shazier... A great season, and looking forward to watching him perform at a high level this year.

Totally false!  He got the call on Dec 6th saying she was still "alive".  This is a fact you and just about everyone is not realizing.  You can't or refuse to put yourselves in his shoes.  His entire world was turned upside down...she's alive?  NO, she's dead.  She "died".  He was confused and didn't know what to do.  He didn't perpetuate any lie to gain votes for awards.  He already won the awards he did and the votes for the Heisman were due on Dec 3rd at 5pm.  He didn't even tell his parents about the call until Dec 24th he was so confused and torn while trying to get a recent photo to prove that she was alive.  Which he got on Dec 21st which confused him even more.  If anyone is guilty of campaigning for him it's the media and that's it.  Te'o will be fine in whatever he does.  Not worried.

anbosu wrote:

The SAT is out of 2400 points now, so a 1540 isn't all that great of a score.  I would assume it's pretty good for a linebacker but overall it is probably in the 50-60% on the test.

I had no idea about the change in scale so that's my bad. Makes even more sense then right?  You're saying he's not so bright so well he wasn't bright enough to figure out he was being hoaxed correct?  Your correction only makes his non-involvement in this more plausible in my opinion.

hidownthai95 wrote: why didnt you all just revive the Teo thread? or even better just read the frickin thing. I guarantee nothing any of you has said wasnt already said there.

no one can compare Shazier to a former linebacker? For me I am reminded of some of the harder hitting DBs weve seen play at tOSU but I want someone's opinion on a good linebacker comparison.

He does play like a hard hitting DB yes.  I can't think of any LB in the past.  Which for him is a good thing in making his own way or name in Buckeye lore.  Would like to see him put on another 15 lbs however.  245 would be more ideal I'd think.

I appreciate your response Hawaiian!

Shazier has two more seasons (maybe) to dish some punishment against tOSU's opponents. I agree at some point he will probably add some playing weight but Im not sure he will do it while at tOSU. I think in college he can play at ~230 and use his speed to his advantage. In the NFL however I would guess he may need the added strength to pull down some of the beasts he will face.

HAWAIIANBUCKEYE wrote:

hidownthai95 wrote: why didnt you all just revive the Teo thread? or even better just read the frickin thing. I guarantee nothing any of you has said wasnt already said there.

no one can compare Shazier to a former linebacker? For me I am reminded of some of the harder hitting DBs weve seen play at tOSU but I want someone's opinion on a good linebacker comparison.

He does play like a hard hitting DB yes.  I can't think of any LB in the past.  Which for him is a good thing in making his own way or name in Buckeye lore.  Would like to see him put on another 15 lbs however.  245 would be more ideal I'd think.

He should be the best LB next season in all of CFB. Just hope he doesnt leave to the NFL early

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anbosu wrote:

The SAT is out of 2400 points now, so a 1540 isn't all that great of a score.  I would assume it's pretty good for a linebacker but overall it is probably in the 50-60% on the test.

I had no idea about the change in scale so that's my bad. Makes even more sense then right?  You're saying he's not so bright so well he wasn't bright enough to figure out he was being hoaxed correct?  Your correction only makes his non-involvement in this more plausible in my opinion.

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I'm not arguing it either way. Just figured I'd let you know about the testing change.

He is incredibly naive if he had no idea but its definitely possible.

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hidownthai95 wrote: why didnt you all just revive the Teo thread? or even better just read the frickin thing. I guarantee nothing any of you has said wasnt already said there.

no one can compare Shazier to a former linebacker? For me I am reminded of some of the harder hitting DBs weve seen play at tOSU but I want someone's opinion on a good linebacker comparison.

He does play like a hard hitting DB yes.  I can't think of any LB in the past.  Which for him is a good thing in making his own way or name in Buckeye lore.  Would like to see him put on another 15 lbs however.  245 would be more ideal I'd think.

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I don't remember a lb at osu ever playing this fast. If he is really 230 he doesn't need to change a thing.

BuckinDayton wrote:
I can buy that he was initially duped. What I have a hard time wrapping my head around, is why he never visited her when all of these tragedies happened. Or at the very least, tried to find out some details.

The way I see it, he either hyped up the seriousness of the relationship for attention or he's an incredibly callous sack of crap.

BuckinDayton wrote: 
I can buy that he was initially duped. What I have a hard time wrapping my head around, is why he never visited her when all of these tragedies happened. Or at the very least, tried to find out some details.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around why anyone cares.

Whether or not he lied or misled people doesn't change anything. It doesn't change the fact that any captain on an undefeated ND team is going to win a lot of awards. It doesn't change the fact that Notre Dame got curb stomped in the NC game. It doesn't change the fact that Gene Smith decided to take a bowl ban this year rather than before last year when players actually involved in the incident that got us the ban in the first place were still on the team. The only thing that changes is the public perception of Te'o. Why do Ohio State fans care so much about the public perception of an ND player? It's not like he did something illegal like consume alcohol under the age of 21 or anything.

Celebrities lie to the public all the time, granted it's to keep their private life private most of the time, but I don't understand where people get off believing they deserve to know everything about a person's life just because he's famous. He's not a public servant. He's not endorsing any products or services. He's just some college kid. It's none of your business if he lied about a girlfriend or not. The only reason this is a news story is because it's unusual gossip. If he had cheated on a real girlfriend, no one would care because people do that all the time, even though that's worse than lying about a fake girlfriend.

HAWAIIANBUCKEYE wrote:

rayb678 wrote: 
C'mon, man.  He perpetuted a lie that could do nothing but bring him sympathy, AFTER he knew it to be a lie and WHILE he was up for major awards in college football.  In what culture is that honorable?  Notre Dame really failed him with an education and learning to become a man, if what you believe is true.  Training camp is going to be hell for this kid.  The NFL veterans are going to have a field day with him.  They'll call him "Catfish" his whole career.  He'll never live it down, and it's going to impact his draft position (he looked out of his element playing in the CG which didn't help, either).  I think 'ol Catfish Teo slips to the mid-to-late 2nd round.

Back to Shazier... A great season, and looking forward to watching him perform at a high level this year.

Totally false!  He got the call on Dec 6th saying she was still "alive".  This is a fact you and just about everyone is not realizing.  You can't or refuse to put yourselves in his shoes.  His entire world was turned upside down...she's alive?  NO, she's dead.  She "died".  He was confused and didn't know what to do.  He didn't perpetuate any lie to gain votes for awards.  He already won the awards he did and the votes for the Heisman were due on Dec 3rd at 5pm.  He didn't even tell his parents about the call until Dec 24th he was so confused and torn while trying to get a recent photo to prove that she was alive.  Which he got on Dec 21st which confused him even more.  If anyone is guilty of campaigning for him it's the media and that's it.  Te'o will be fine in whatever he does.  Not worried.

  Hopefully he has the help and support he needs moving forward.

HAWAIIANBUCKEYE wrote:

theFootballBeast wrote: Shazier would have won the Butkus award and been 1st team All american if he had a fake girlfriend that died and he exploited it for votes.

 Dude will be fine, except his trust in people took a major hit.

for good reason. do not trust people on the internet. 

What is even scarier about Shaziers stats from this year is he missed a great deal of tackles because he was flying all over the place and not breaking down. He got much better at breaking down as the season drew to an end but i remember the penn state, nebraska, and purdue games he missed quite a few tackles (especially for loss). And btw our whole team missed alot of tackles and im not picking on ryan its just this is his thread obviously

Snazier was a beast last year. As under rated nation wide as Teo was over rated.

Stop sullying Shazier's name by bringing up Teo. Teo was a pile jumper of a middle linebacker irrespective of his panache for pathological lying.