macdadbama wrote: Let's see, based on your vitriol, one or more of the following must be true:

1. You are a barn fan
2. A Bama guy must have taken your lunch money
3. You'll believe anything

Why the hate bro, it's very unbecoming of a gentleman. If anybody believes ground up deer antler in a spray enhances performance in any way, please hook up with a responsible adult who can help you with your money and your life's decisions. Only a damn fool would truly believe this.

The Irony is Priceless!

I give the bama players a pass here. Over the last thirty some years I've seen many drug free lifters look to supplements for a legal edge. I know this stuff is banned and I believe the reason is on case it works , but since it's useless I'm kind of , meh.
It's a good lesson. Optimize legal means. Rest , recuperative methods , food, sleep and you can make incredible gains . My son is decently strong and has deadlifted triple bodyweight . He is long armed so his bp is average and his squat is average or better. ( he has done ones meet so I mean below parallel btw, maybe double bw or so).
He was doing a Josh Bryant ( a great online coach btw) Deadlift workout . Some other guys came and were working in with him. They were big, 225 plus and he believed obvious steroid users.
The guys couldn't keep up with him. He was 150 lbs and out pulling them . When they asked him how he did it, he told them it's hard work.
Now jr has a secret that I do, large hands. My hands at 5'6-7" are six footer size hands. My dad who is shorter than me has the same size hands. My son is growing yet and has hands my size yet. Big hands equal a firm grip on the bar and more weight lifted all other factors equal.

If they are or were doing it, they were foolish as well.

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--- Stratbuck wrote:

macdadbama wrote: Let's see, based on your vitriol, one or more of the following must be true:

1. You are a barn fan
2. A Bama guy must have taken your lunch money
3. You'll believe anything

Why the hate bro, it's very unbecoming of a gentleman. If anybody believes ground up deer antler in a spray enhances performance in any way, please hook up with a responsible adult who can help you with your money and your life's decisions. Only a damn fool would truly believe this.



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--- buckwild23 wrote:

Yeah let's blame it on the con artist guys.....not the cheaters on Alabama looking for a competitive edge on the field like thier POS head coach Nick Saban oversiging off the field.

PEDS + Oversiging ===== Alabama.

30 for 30 - JUICED! (How Nick Saban ruled college football)

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Again, go tell your uneducated players.  They are the ones snorting the stuff.

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irondoc wrote: I give the bama players a pass here. Over the last thirty some years I've seen many drug free lifters look to supplements for a legal edge. I know this stuff is banned and I believe the reason is on case it works , but since it's useless I'm kind of , meh.
It's a good lesson. Optimize legal means. Rest , recuperative methods , food, sleep and you can make incredible gains . My son is decently strong and has deadlifted triple bodyweight . He is long armed so his bp is average and his squat is average or better. ( he has done ones meet so I mean below parallel btw, maybe double bw or so).
He was doing a Josh Bryant ( a great online coach btw) Deadlift workout . Some other guys came and were working in with him. They were big, 225 plus and he believed obvious steroid users.
The guys couldn't keep up with him. He was 150 lbs and out pulling them . When they asked him how he did it, he told them it's hard work.
Now jr has a secret that I do, large hands. My hands at 5'6-7" are six footer size hands. My dad who is shorter than me has the same size hands. My son is growing yet and has hands my size yet. Big hands equal a firm grip on the bar and more weight lifted all other factors equal.

   Yea, this stuff is junk. A ? asked is why would the NFL,NCAA ban this product ICF I oral spray, well if they made it legal then when a player did pop postive for ICF I they would just say they are taking deer antler spray because it has ICF I in it and since the ncaa/nfl have make it legal they would try to get out it. So i fully understand why the NCAA/NFL will not make any changes to their banned substance list. Plus, that is why you have to fail a test to get in any trouble with the ncaa or nfl. So, I don't really agree the ncaa/nfl banned it because it might work, I think they know it does not work and but players would claim thru their union that they used Deer antler spray and  that is why they poped positive on a PED test.
   I also say this story kind of  proves that PEDs are not everywhere in college football, I mean you have a con artist trying to pass off deer antler spray to a bunch of players and those players actually listened to him, if real peds were rampet in college football these players would have known better. Plus, I have watched the video's they are kind of funny and what ped dealer would put it on video for everyone to see. It is just to funny.

You're exactly right. They're banning the excuses. I swerved to miss a deer. The dog ate my homework . I used dragon penis unicorn ear wax extract. I thought it was natural and so on.

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--- Jetmanlee wrote:

irondoc wrote: I give the bama players a pass here. Over the last thirty some years I've seen many drug free lifters look to supplements for a legal edge. I know this stuff is banned and I believe the reason is on case it works , but since it's useless I'm kind of , meh.
It's a good lesson. Optimize legal means. Rest , recuperative methods , food, sleep and you can make incredible gains . My son is decently strong and has deadlifted triple bodyweight . He is long armed so his bp is average and his squat is average or better. ( he has done ones meet so I mean below parallel btw, maybe double bw or so).
He was doing a Josh Bryant ( a great online coach btw) Deadlift workout . Some other guys came and were working in with him. They were big, 225 plus and he believed obvious steroid users.
The guys couldn't keep up with him. He was 150 lbs and out pulling them . When they asked him how he did it, he told them it's hard work.
Now jr has a secret that I do, large hands. My hands at 5'6-7" are six footer size hands. My dad who is shorter than me has the same size hands. My son is growing yet and has hands my size yet. Big hands equal a firm grip on the bar and more weight lifted all other factors equal.

   Yea, this stuff is junk. A ? asked is why would the NFL,NCAA ban this product ICF I oral spray, well if they made it legal then when a player did pop postive for ICF I they would just say they are taking deer antler spray because it has ICF I in it and since the ncaa/nfl have make it legal they would try to get out it. So i fully understand why the NCAA/NFL will not make any changes to their banned substance list. Plus, that is why you have to fail a test to get in any trouble with the ncaa or nfl. So, I don't really agree the ncaa/nfl banned it because it might work, I think they know it does not work and but players would claim thru their union that they used Deer antler spray and  that is why they poped positive on a PED test.
   I also say this story kind of  proves that PEDs are not everywhere in college football, I mean you have a con artist trying to pass off deer antler spray to a bunch of players and those players actually listened to him, if real peds were rampet in college football these players would have known better. Plus, I have watched the video's they are kind of funny and what ped dealer would put it on video for everyone to see. It is just to funny.

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After what we've seen in baseball I am surprised at some of the comments. Not from Alabama fans, obviously. Nothing they say ever surprises me.

We went through about 20 years willingly forcing ourselves to believe the things we saw came natural despite all common sense. Then you have announcers and analysts go on TV and go "Wow! Look at those Alabama players! 320 pound linemen that run like linebackers! 250 linebackers that run like cornerbackers! They look like an NFL team".

I'm not saying they do or don't, neither would shock me. I just find it funny how we, as sports fans, go through this time and time again.

That is a better way to put it, banning the excuses.. 

irondoc wrote: You're exactly right. They're banning the excuses. I swerved to miss a deer. The dog ate my homework . I used dragon penis unicorn ear wax extract. I thought it was natural and so on.

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--- Jetmanlee wrote:

irondoc wrote: I give the bama players a pass here. Over the last thirty some years I've seen many drug free lifters look to supplements for a legal edge. I know this stuff is banned and I believe the reason is on case it works , but since it's useless I'm kind of , meh.
It's a good lesson. Optimize legal means. Rest , recuperative methods , food, sleep and you can make incredible gains . My son is decently strong and has deadlifted triple bodyweight . He is long armed so his bp is average and his squat is average or better. ( he has done ones meet so I mean below parallel btw, maybe double bw or so).
He was doing a Josh Bryant ( a great online coach btw) Deadlift workout . Some other guys came and were working in with him. They were big, 225 plus and he believed obvious steroid users.
The guys couldn't keep up with him. He was 150 lbs and out pulling them . When they asked him how he did it, he told them it's hard work.
Now jr has a secret that I do, large hands. My hands at 5'6-7" are six footer size hands. My dad who is shorter than me has the same size hands. My son is growing yet and has hands my size yet. Big hands equal a firm grip on the bar and more weight lifted all other factors equal.

   Yea, this stuff is junk. A ? asked is why would the NFL,NCAA ban this product ICF I oral spray, well if they made it legal then when a player did pop postive for ICF I they would just say they are taking deer antler spray because it has ICF I in it and since the ncaa/nfl have make it legal they would try to get out it. So i fully understand why the NCAA/NFL will not make any changes to their banned substance list. Plus, that is why you have to fail a test to get in any trouble with the ncaa or nfl. So, I don't really agree the ncaa/nfl banned it because it might work, I think they know it does not work and but players would claim thru their union that they used Deer antler spray and  that is why they poped positive on a PED test.
   I also say this story kind of  proves that PEDs are not everywhere in college football, I mean you have a con artist trying to pass off deer antler spray to a bunch of players and those players actually listened to him, if real peds were rampet in college football these players would have known better. Plus, I have watched the video's they are kind of funny and what ped dealer would put it on video for everyone to see. It is just to funny.

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