PapaJoesBucket wrote:

irondoc wrote: It makes no difference. Guys aren't that much bigger and faster now than fifty years ago in relation to your Brian's vulnerability. 240 lb linemen and 215 lb linebackers running .1-.2 secs slower in the forty hit hard enough to cause brain trauma .
Especially with repetition . They now have MRIs, SPECT scans, PET scans and other things that weren't available in 1960. And steroids were available in the 1960s.
It is true that weight training is now almost a guarantee for everyone and guys are faster and stronger. But they were strong enough to cause brain injury back then .
It's like deer hunting . A .243 is fine on whitetail . As is a .308. As is a 30 06. All which are more powerful than than the prior listed caliber. And each hit hard enough to kill instantly in a vital area.

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irondoc wrote: Steroids don't protect your brain. It's always been vulnerable , it's just that it's studied better now. They know more.

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at this point it is really hard to believe any professional athlete in just about any sport doesn't use some banned substance(s) - there is just too much money and fame involved to think those dum dums wouldn't do everything they possibly can to make the million dollar paycheck

the NFL is full of manufactured goons who think they are above the law and could care less about a rulebook - that mindset began in college...

probably most college football players who actually play do some sort of chicanery - every single former d1 football player I know has all kinds of stories about what really goes on

it's kinda funny they are all blaming the helmets and the rules for their misery

no mention of the toxins they gulped down or the  injections or the size/speed differential between now and lets say 30 years ago

let's go ahead and illiminate kick-off to make the game 'safer' *rolls eyes*

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a helmet is not going to protect your brain from a manufactured human disguised as a mack truck either

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fair enough

but I can't be the only one to think there might be a link between PED usage and injuries

and that the size/speed differental over my lifetime is pretty dramatic

RJSimmons wrote:

Jetmanlee wrote:

cd2007 wrote: The spray contains a banned substance and Bama players used that.

The Bama team is dirty.

Well the substance that is in ?, also in milk,fish,and Steak. Also all bama players are tested before and after the game for ban substance's and not one bama failed the test, how could they the same stuff is in steak and Milk and Fish, so crazy. Oh yea, Swats guys cut bama off this year and helped out UGA,Ole Miss, and LSU so  they would beat bama, no ****, They sold deer antler spray to UGA,Ole Miss, and LSU this year to beat bama, but the secrect weapon was Mt. Dew, the boys were still jacked up on Mt. Dew, kick'in a** and taking antler's.

NCAA doesn't test for HGH. And judging by the rides that guys like Trent Richardson rode around in, it's clear they could afford it.

irondoc wrote: It makes no difference. Guys aren't that much bigger and faster now than fifty years ago in relation to your Brian's vulnerability. 240 lb linemen and 215 lb linebackers running .1-.2 secs slower in the forty hit hard enough to cause brain trauma .
Especially with repetition . They now have MRIs, SPECT scans, PET scans and other things that weren't available in 1960. And steroids were available in the 1960s.
It is true that weight training is now almost a guarantee for everyone and guys are faster and stronger. But they were strong enough to cause brain injury back then .
It's like deer hunting . A .243 is fine on whitetail . As is a .308. As is a 30 06. All which are more powerful than than the prior listed caliber. And each hit hard enough to kill instantly in a vital area.

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--- PapaJoesBucket wrote:

irondoc wrote: Steroids don't protect your brain. It's always been vulnerable , it's just that it's studied better now. They know more.

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--- PapaJoesBucket wrote:

at this point it is really hard to believe any professional athlete in just about any sport doesn't use some banned substance(s) - there is just too much money and fame involved to think those dum dums wouldn't do everything they possibly can to make the million dollar paycheck

the NFL is full of manufactured goons who think they are above the law and could care less about a rulebook - that mindset began in college...

probably most college football players who actually play do some sort of chicanery - every single former d1 football player I know has all kinds of stories about what really goes on

it's kinda funny they are all blaming the helmets and the rules for their misery

no mention of the toxins they gulped down or the  injections or the size/speed differential between now and lets say 30 years ago

let's go ahead and illiminate kick-off to make the game 'safer' *rolls eyes*

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a helmet is not going to protect your brain from a manufactured human disguised as a mack truck either

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Chiefloincloth wrote:

RJSimmons wrote:

Jetmanlee wrote:

cd2007 wrote: The spray contains a banned substance and Bama players used that.

The Bama team is dirty.

Well the substance that is in ?, also in milk,fish,and Steak. Also all bama players are tested before and after the game for ban substance's and not one bama failed the test, how could they the same stuff is in steak and Milk and Fish, so crazy. Oh yea, Swats guys cut bama off this year and helped out UGA,Ole Miss, and LSU so  they would beat bama, no ****, They sold deer antler spray to UGA,Ole Miss, and LSU this year to beat bama, but the secrect weapon was Mt. Dew, the boys were still jacked up on Mt. Dew, kick'in a** and taking antler's.

NCAA doesn't test for HGH. And judging by the rides that guys like Trent Richardson rode around in, it's clear they could afford it.

Yeah, and it sux that Pryor had to walk around campus

intheclutch12 wrote: d-a-s?the real secret down here is pronabol 5

rbltc27 wrote: Gotta be honest, I have a few buddies on it and it works wonders. They started doing it after they looked it up when the Raiders HC got caught marketing it.

Not trying to blast Bama (lots of players on lots of teams are doing it), but if you think it doesn't have a big effect, you either are uneducated on the substance, or your defending your team.

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I'm not surprised we have football players that are dumb enough to believe that trailer-made deer spray is actually going to work. Or that it can stop cell phone waves, lol.

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rbltc27 wrote: Again, false. Bro

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It's garbage. Did you ever hear of a placebo affect? Or the new sneaker affect. 7 year old gets new sneakers and he runs " faster ".
I've been around top strength athletes for a long time . Louie Simmons and his crowd. Dave Tate. World record setters. I know what works . This stuff is silly. As is crossfit .
Test , dianabol , anadrol 50, winstrol deca are huge in lifting. I've seen hundreds of guys use it. Sorry, forgot to say dude there.

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False. Seen it work first hand. Huge for Cross Fit
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--- JPdub wrote:

No offense, but you and your buddies are probably the type that wear those metal bracelets because you think it helps balance your ions or whatever  

From the ESPN article:

However, a professor at Johns Hopkins University told the Baltimore Sun that, despite SWATS' claims, there isn't an acceptable scientific way that IGF-1 can be effectively delivered orally. 

"If there were, a lot of people would be happy that they don't need to get shots anymore," Dr. Roberto Salvatori told the newspaper. "It's just simply not possible for it to come from a spray."


You guys need to get a refund, and stay away from the snake oil salesmen.

rbltc27 wrote: Gotta be honest, I have a few buddies on it and it works wonders. They started doing it after they looked it up when the Raiders HC got caught marketing it.

Not trying to blast Bama (lots of players on lots of teams are doing it), but if you think it doesn't have a big effect, you either are uneducated on the substance, or your defending your team.

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--- JPdub wrote:

I'm not surprised we have football players that are dumb enough to believe that trailer-made deer spray is actually going to work. Or that it can stop cell phone waves, lol.

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Dog during deer antler eating program.



Same dog 90 days later. Results show a COMPLETELY different dog. It works, this is proof beyond doubt.
 

34011 wrote:

rbltc27 wrote: Again, false. Bro

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--- irondoc wrote:

It's garbage. Did you ever hear of a placebo affect? Or the new sneaker affect. 7 year old gets new sneakers and he runs " faster ".
I've been around top strength athletes for a long time . Louie Simmons and his crowd. Dave Tate. World record setters. I know what works . This stuff is silly. As is crossfit .
Test , dianabol , anadrol 50, winstrol deca are huge in lifting. I've seen hundreds of guys use it. Sorry, forgot to say dude there.

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False. Seen it work first hand. Huge for Cross Fit
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--- JPdub wrote:

No offense, but you and your buddies are probably the type that wear those metal bracelets because you think it helps balance your ions or whatever  

From the ESPN article:

However, a professor at Johns Hopkins University told the Baltimore Sun that, despite SWATS' claims, there isn't an acceptable scientific way that IGF-1 can be effectively delivered orally. 

"If there were, a lot of people would be happy that they don't need to get shots anymore," Dr. Roberto Salvatori told the newspaper. "It's just simply not possible for it to come from a spray."


You guys need to get a refund, and stay away from the snake oil salesmen.

rbltc27 wrote: Gotta be honest, I have a few buddies on it and it works wonders. They started doing it after they looked it up when the Raiders HC got caught marketing it.

Not trying to blast Bama (lots of players on lots of teams are doing it), but if you think it doesn't have a big effect, you either are uneducated on the substance, or your defending your team.

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--- JPdub wrote:

I'm not surprised we have football players that are dumb enough to believe that trailer-made deer spray is actually going to work. Or that it can stop cell phone waves, lol.

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Dog during deer antler eating program.



Same dog 90 days later. Results show a COMPLETELY different dog. It works, this is proof beyond doubt.
 

Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

rbltc27 wrote: Again, false. Bro

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--- irondoc wrote:

It's garbage. Did you ever hear of a placebo affect? Or the new sneaker affect. 7 year old gets new sneakers and he runs " faster ".
I've been around top strength athletes for a long time . Louie Simmons and his crowd. Dave Tate. World record setters. I know what works . This stuff is silly. As is crossfit .
Test , dianabol , anadrol 50, winstrol deca are huge in lifting. I've seen hundreds of guys use it. Sorry, forgot to say dude there.

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--- rbltc27 wrote:


False. Seen it work first hand. Huge for Cross Fit
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--- JPdub wrote:

No offense, but you and your buddies are probably the type that wear those metal bracelets because you think it helps balance your ions or whatever  

From the ESPN article:

However, a professor at Johns Hopkins University told the Baltimore Sun that, despite SWATS' claims, there isn't an acceptable scientific way that IGF-1 can be effectively delivered orally. 

"If there were, a lot of people would be happy that they don't need to get shots anymore," Dr. Roberto Salvatori told the newspaper. "It's just simply not possible for it to come from a spray."


You guys need to get a refund, and stay away from the snake oil salesmen.

rbltc27 wrote: Gotta be honest, I have a few buddies on it and it works wonders. They started doing it after they looked it up when the Raiders HC got caught marketing it.

Not trying to blast Bama (lots of players on lots of teams are doing it), but if you think it doesn't have a big effect, you either are uneducated on the substance, or your defending your team.

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--- JPdub wrote:

I'm not surprised we have football players that are dumb enough to believe that trailer-made deer spray is actually going to work. Or that it can stop cell phone waves, lol.

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Dog during deer antler eating program.



Same dog 90 days later. Results show a COMPLETELY different dog. It works, this is proof beyond doubt.
 

It must suck being a fan of a team who needs "energy" from a banned substance to win games.

Stratbuck wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/889 7280/deer-antler-salesman-saw-alabama-players-use- product

"They want to win," he said. "After the games they said they couldn't believe how they weren't tired and how much energy they had."

Alias1 wrote: Why are you even here? Feeling a little guilty there Scooter?

Jetmanlee wrote: HGH and test are not the same. HGH cannot be deliver to the body thru a oral spray, if it could it would be worth billions of dollars. Facts have never been your strong point. But bama was cut off by the deer antler guys this year and we won anyways and blew the domers out.... Matter of fact, UGA,LSU,and ole miss had the antler guys on their side and we still beat them, with our Mt. Dew S/C program. ALso would not agree the ban substance in the deer antler velvet is not in milk,steak, and fish, you cannot be this void of facts. Remember creatine, they tried to ban it but they could not becuause the body produced three grams of creatine a day and they had to lift the ban.

cd2007 wrote:

Jetmanlee wrote:

cd2007 wrote: The spray contains a banned substance and Bama players used that.

The Bama team is dirty.

Well the substance that is in ?, also in milk,fish,and Steak. Also all bama players are tested before and after the game for ban substance's and not one bama failed the test, how could they the same stuff is in steak and Milk and Fish, so crazy. Oh yea, Swats guys cut bama off this year and helped out UGA,Ole Miss, and LSU so  they would beat bama, no ****, They sold deer antler spray to UGA,Ole Miss, and LSU this year to beat bama, but the secrect weapon was Mt. Dew, the boys were still jacked up on Mt. Dew, kick'in a** and taking antler's.

That is a dumb argument, your body produces testosterone so taking exogenous testosterone is okay?

There is no test to detect that substance.

Next!

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/889 7280/deer-antler-salesman-saw-alabama-players-use- product

"They want to win," he said. "After the games they said they couldn't believe how they weren't tired and how much energy they had."

Well, name the players then, that is what I thought, you cannot name them. They had a Deer Antler spray seller on and he said this was the busiest order week he has ever had, you must be on the phone right now since you are a true believer in Deer antler spray. You did see the dog on the deer antler eating program, you seemed to believe that.

rbltc27 wrote: Gotta be honest, I have a few buddies on it and it works wonders. They started doing it after they looked it up when the Raiders HC got caught marketing it.

Not trying to blast Bama (lots of players on lots of teams are doing it), but if you think it doesn't have a big effect, you either are uneducated on the substance, or your defending your team.

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--- JPdub wrote:

I'm not surprised we have football players that are dumb enough to believe that trailer-made deer spray is actually going to work. Or that it can stop cell phone waves, lol.

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Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/889 7280/deer-antler-salesman-saw-alabama-players-use- product

"They want to win," he said. "After the games they said they couldn't believe how they weren't tired and how much energy they had."

Well, name the players then, that is what I thought, you cannot name them. They had a Deer Antler spray seller on and he said this was the busiest order week he has ever had, you must be on the phone right now since you are a true believer in Deer antler spray. You did see the dog on the deer antler eating program, you seemed to believe that.

Does this silly post make you feel better?  You take the bait every time.  The seller said it was 20 different players.  Not me.

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/889 7280/deer-antler-salesman-saw-alabama-players-use- product

"They want to win," he said. "After the games they said they couldn't believe how they weren't tired and how much energy they had."

Well, name the players then, that is what I thought, you cannot name them. They had a Deer Antler spray seller on and he said this was the busiest order week he has ever had, you must be on the phone right now since you are a true believer in Deer antler spray. You did see the dog on the deer antler eating program, you seemed to believe that.

Does this silly post make you feel better?  You take the bait every time.  The seller said it was 20 different players.  Not me.

Yes, the silly post makes me feel better, I would not post something that would make me feel bad. See, you have taken the bait not me, you believe deer antler velvet made bama football players bigger,stronger, and faster, you are the bait taker not me. You are the true believer in deer antler velvet, not me. Again it seems you guys want the ncaa drop in and punish schools over deer antler velvet, when the stuff does not work, because their is no medical way for ICF I can be accepted by the body by a oral spray.

See look you ramble like an idiot.  Keep your head up your ass it seems to do you well.

Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/889 7280/deer-antler-salesman-saw-alabama-players-use- product

"They want to win," he said. "After the games they said they couldn't believe how they weren't tired and how much energy they had."

Well, name the players then, that is what I thought, you cannot name them. They had a Deer Antler spray seller on and he said this was the busiest order week he has ever had, you must be on the phone right now since you are a true believer in Deer antler spray. You did see the dog on the deer antler eating program, you seemed to believe that.

Does this silly post make you feel better?  You take the bait every time.  The seller said it was 20 different players.  Not me.

Yes, the silly post makes me feel better, I would not post something that would make me feel bad. See, you have taken the bait not me, you believe deer antler velvet made bama football players bigger,stronger, and faster, you are the bait taker not me. You are the true believer in deer antler velvet, not me. Again it seems you guys want the ncaa drop in and punish schools over deer antler velvet, when the stuff does not work, because their is no medical way for ICF I can be accepted by the body by a oral spray.

See look you ramble like an idiot.  Keep your head up your ass it seems to do you well.

Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/889 7280/deer-antler-salesman-saw-alabama-players-use- product

"They want to win," he said. "After the games they said they couldn't believe how they weren't tired and how much energy they had."

Well, name the players then, that is what I thought, you cannot name them. They had a Deer Antler spray seller on and he said this was the busiest order week he has ever had, you must be on the phone right now since you are a true believer in Deer antler spray. You did see the dog on the deer antler eating program, you seemed to believe that.

Does this silly post make you feel better?  You take the bait every time.  The seller said it was 20 different players.  Not me.

Yes, the silly post makes me feel better, I would not post something that would make me feel bad. See, you have taken the bait not me, you believe deer antler velvet made bama football players bigger,stronger, and faster, you are the bait taker not me. You are the true believer in deer antler velvet, not me. Again it seems you guys want the ncaa drop in and punish schools over deer antler velvet, when the stuff does not work, because their is no medical way for ICF I can be accepted by the body by a oral spray.

See look you ramble like an idiot.  Keep your head up your ass it seems to do you well.

Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote:

34011 wrote:

Stratbuck wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/889 7280/deer-antler-salesman-saw-alabama-players-use- product

"They want to win," he said. "After the games they said they couldn't believe how they weren't tired and how much energy they had."

Well, name the players then, that is what I thought, you cannot name them. They had a Deer Antler spray seller on and he said this was the busiest order week he has ever had, you must be on the phone right now since you are a true believer in Deer antler spray. You did see the dog on the deer antler eating program, you seemed to believe that.

Does this silly post make you feel better?  You take the bait every time.  The seller said it was 20 different players.  Not me.

Yes, the silly post makes me feel better, I would not post something that would make me feel bad. See, you have taken the bait not me, you believe deer antler velvet made bama football players bigger,stronger, and faster, you are the bait taker not me. You are the true believer in deer antler velvet, not me. Again it seems you guys want the ncaa drop in and punish schools over deer antler velvet, when the stuff does not work, because their is no medical way for ICF I can be accepted by the body by a oral spray.

See look you ramble like an idiot.  Keep your head up your ass it seems to do you well.