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Re: Tennessee and the downside to the CFB arms race

Posted: 1/30/2013 5:25 PM

Re: Tennessee and the downside to the CFB arms race 


This. Their former AD was an idiot, they had so much fat to cut it isn't funny. Along with all the construction and coach buyouts, didn't they just let go a ton of employees from the athletic that had completely pointless jobs? That alone will save them several million this year. 
Alapahablue1 wrote: Tenn's money problems have nothing to do with conference expansion or a lot of other things mentioned in this thread. It is called bad money management. They took on stadium expansion and mega tons of debt when their attendance was falling because of their poor on field performance.

As was mentioned above when they were doing well in football was when the rest of the surrounding states were not doing so well in football. As Georgia's performance went down, Tenn's went up and the same with Ala, Aub and USe. I remember wondering if I would live long enough to see Georgia kick their ass again with any regularity.

You may remember when Kiffin flew the coop Dooley was about their 5th choice. They had been turned down by every "name" coach they had approached. They had a devil of a time hiring a coach this time. Butch Jones was way down their wish list. Will he be the saviour? 

Too much debt can sink any enterprise. It sounds like they should have postponed that last stadium improvement. Paying coaches not to coach sounds like a lot of money but small compared to construction debt. In the end it all adds up.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:00 PM

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Alapahablue1 wrote: As was mentioned above when they were doing well in football was when the rest of the surrounding states were not doing so well in football. As Georgia's performance went down, Tenn's went up and the same with Ala, Aub and USe. I remember wondering if I would live long enough to see Georgia kick their ass again with any regularity.

I’m so fen’ tired of hearing this bull-$hit.

South Carolina East as some people like to refer those asses . Have fen’ NEVER had a good string of wins until now, the most they had until now has been four--- fen’ (4) in a row and that was between 1989-1990, the best team was 8-4, that’s really fen’ good-Huh? Well it is for south carolina . Oops-- I’m sorry they did win seven in a row back in 1928-1934, but as lowiq would say, “I’m in the wrong time frame” . But even than the best record was 6-2-2 (70%) And that was the best damn team and the last they had until they their second and last (until this year) All-American in 1984 when they won their first 10 season game and went  10-2. Oh they now went two year in a row winning 10 games and have a 9 game winning streak. And Why!! that’s fen’ because Tennessee and fen’ Georgia are down well they must be down because SC but a whomping on there asses!!.

 

So fen’ please do not embarrass the real USC and call those fen’ pussies USC-E.

 

Wow!! do I need another beer

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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:18 PM

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I wanna apologize for my out burst last night, to many fen’ millers.

And I see no one posted since!! Sorry again!!

But I do get upset when people make post but can’t show me some facts. Just don’t start saying Tennessee was good only because teams like Georgia , and S. Carolina was bad.

 

Anyone who knows me other than my snide remarks about some southerners or sec teams I usually always try to show some data (yea, maybe it’s not in the time frame that the poster had in mind) but at least something to back up what I say.


And anyone who has read some of my posts, I’m always mentioning a teams cycles or equilibrium (a teams normal win %), well that is exactly what lowiq and a few other sec fans were talking about when they were trying to compare Tennessee with Georgia and South Carolina (or should I say USC-E).

But here’s the difference I can show you guys, why USC-E shouldn’t be compared to anyone, especially the Georgia’s and Tennessee ’s.

 

I’ve been doing this bar-charting for years trying to find each team’s cycle or equilibrium, or even a pattern to see if I can predict their next rise or fall..

 

I hope this turns out, I have to up load it (never tried bar graphs before). And you might need to option your viewing or zoom to 125- 150% to get a better view of the charts. I don't know yet. but here goes.  


Just remember:

Red = losing seasons

Green=  seasons when a team won 50-60% of their games

Black = seasons when won 61-79%

Blue= seasons when won 80-100% of their games.

What were / I’m looking for is the Blue black ratio, to determine a teams cycle of good years. You will see that South Carolina doesn’t have that many good years of blue and black together..

 

The below picture shows, Georgia’s yearly bar chart on top, Tennessee’s in the middle and of course good ole fen’ USC-E on the bottom. Three is the most I can show at one time for comparing. You will notice both Georgia and Tenn. was both pretty good during the 40’s and early 50’s other than that, they seem to cycle opposite each other. .

I have these charts for every team from their beginning up through 2005 when I sort of quite charting, thinking I had enough info for what I wanted to do.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:38 PM

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Interesting graphs, but past history is no guarantee of future performance.

It is POSSIBLE Tennessee will go the way of Minnesota and Ole Miss.

It is not really possible for an Ohio State to do that because of their situation.

I think Notre Dame may be doing this, but they are obviously on the cusp, and the one great season might tilt them back into contention.  Or not.

Programs with inherent advantages in things like recruiting can go through down periods because of bad coaching and still come back.  Programs mired in less that great recruiting territory can go down and keep plunging.

My GUESS is that USCe wins more games in the next ten years than does Tennessee.

"Perfection is the enemy of good enough."
Fleet Marshal Gorshkov

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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:58 PM

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NewOrleansBuckeye wrote:

I wanna apologize for my out burst last night, to many fen’ millers.

And I see no one posted since!! Sorry again!!

But I do get upset when people make post but can’t show me some facts. Just don’t start saying Tennessee was good only because teams like Georgia , and S. Carolina was bad.

 

Anyone who knows me other than my snide remarks about some southerners or sec teams I usually always try to show some data (yea, maybe it’s not in the time frame that the poster had in mind) but at least something to back up what I say.


And anyone who has read some of my posts, I’m always mentioning a teams cycles or equilibrium (a teams normal win %), well that is exactly what lowiq and a few other sec fans were talking about when they were trying to compare Tennessee with Georgia and South Carolina (or should I say USC-E).

But here’s the difference I can show you guys, why USC-E shouldn’t be compared to anyone, especially the Georgia’s and Tennessee ’s.

 

I’ve been doing this bar-charting for years trying to find each team’s cycle or equilibrium, or even a pattern to see if I can predict their next rise or fall..

 

I hope this turns out, I have to up load it (never tried bar graphs before). And you might need to option your viewing or zoom to 125- 150% to get a better view of the charts. I don't know yet. but here goes.  


Just remember:

Red = losing seasons

Green=  seasons when a team won 50-60% of their games

Black = seasons when won 61-79%

Blue= seasons when won 80-100% of their games.

What were / I’m looking for is the Blue black ratio, to determine a teams cycle of good years. You will see that South Carolina doesn’t have that many good years of blue and black together..

 

The below picture shows, Georgia’s yearly bar chart on top, Tennessee’s in the middle and of course good ole fen’ USC-E on the bottom. Three is the most I can show at one time for comparing. You will notice both Georgia and Tenn. was both pretty good during the 40’s and early 50’s other than that, they seem to cycle opposite each other. .

I have these charts for every team from their beginning up through 2005 when I sort of quite charting, thinking I had enough info for what I wanted to do.

Love it!! Need more!

New thread with this chart ploting the OSU, UM, and the whole SEC please!!!!
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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:16 PM

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NewOrleansBuckeye wrote:

I wanna apologize for my out burst last night, to many fen’ millers.

And I see no one posted since!! Sorry again!!

But I do get upset when people make post but can’t show me some facts. Just don’t start saying Tennessee was good only because teams like Georgia , and S. Carolina was bad.

 

Anyone who knows me other than my snide remarks about some southerners or sec teams I usually always try to show some data (yea, maybe it’s not in the time frame that the poster had in mind) but at least something to back up what I say.


And anyone who has read some of my posts, I’m always mentioning a teams cycles or equilibrium (a teams normal win %), well that is exactly what lowiq and a few other sec fans were talking about when they were trying to compare Tennessee with Georgia and South Carolina (or should I say USC-E).

But here’s the difference I can show you guys, why USC-E shouldn’t be compared to anyone, especially the Georgia’s and Tennessee ’s.

 

I’ve been doing this bar-charting for years trying to find each team’s cycle or equilibrium, or even a pattern to see if I can predict their next rise or fall..

 

I hope this turns out, I have to up load it (never tried bar graphs before). And you might need to option your viewing or zoom to 125- 150% to get a better view of the charts. I don't know yet. but here goes.  


Just remember:

Red = losing seasons

Green=  seasons when a team won 50-60% of their games

Black = seasons when won 61-79%

Blue= seasons when won 80-100% of their games.

What were / I’m looking for is the Blue black ratio, to determine a teams cycle of good years. You will see that South Carolina doesn’t have that many good years of blue and black together..

 

The below picture shows, Georgia’s yearly bar chart on top, Tennessee’s in the middle and of course good ole fen’ USC-E on the bottom. Three is the most I can show at one time for comparing. You will notice both Georgia and Tenn. was both pretty good during the 40’s and early 50’s other than that, they seem to cycle opposite each other. .

I have these charts for every team from their beginning up through 2005 when I sort of quite charting, thinking I had enough info for what I wanted to do.


New Orleans, when you flip out like you did last night do you have sharp objects near you?

I would have never thought four letters - USCe - could cause someone to go off the deep end. FWIW, the east version has been around since 1801, the west version since 1880. Of course the west version has had much  more success in their sports programs. In the here and now, the east version is better in football than the west version.


A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:04 PM

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While the Gamecocks have gained ground on some of their conference foes over the past 5-10 years, that's not nearly enough to rank them ahead of USC from a national perspective.

However, there's no doubt that their program is on the rise as opposed to the Trojans and the chaos enveloping their program, not to mention their overmatched HC.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:59 AM

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Do UT 2005-now cool. What a mess they have become.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:41 AM

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Over the past three years, South Carolina is 8-1 against Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida.eek

They lost to Florida this past year in a turnover prone poor effort.  The beat Georgia (in a turnover prone poor effort by the Dawgs) and of course Georgia beat Florida (in a turnover prone effort by both, Murray had three INTs in the first half and Florida had 6 total).

Turnovers can impact outcomes.

You read it here first.

"Perfection is the enemy of good enough."
Fleet Marshal Gorshkov

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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:34 AM

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new orleans you need to stay on the bar stool and off the bar graphs.biggrin

my point was several states around them that produce more good prospects had down football programs/poor coaches that made it easier to go into those states and convince top kids to leave the state.

you get 3-4 top 25 kids out of georgia, 3-4 out of south carolina, 3-4 out of north carolina, 3-4 out of virginia and 2-3 out of maryland and you have 15-20 good players then add in 3-4 from tennessee and you pretty much have a top class
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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:55 AM

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I love these bar graphs.
The irony in this is that it is very possible that the perception of sec football dominance can be directly attributed to UT's lack of competitiveness since the Fulmer years. A Tennessee squad performing at Tennessee expectations would surely have spread a few more losses around the conference, especially its rivals Florida and Alabama. It will be interesting to see if the Big Ten's top dogs will benefit in the same way from Penn State's coming struggles and Nebraska trying to find traction (and a defense). Unlike the NFL with its multi round playoffs, parity can be death for a college football conference's perceived strength.
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new orleans you need to stay on the bar stool and off the bar graphs.biggrin

my point was several states around them that produce more good prospects had down football programs/poor coaches that made it easier to go into those states and convince top kids to leave the state.

you get 3-4 top 25 kids out of georgia, 3-4 out of south carolina, 3-4 out of north carolina, 3-4 out of virginia and 2-3 out of maryland and you have 15-20 good players then add in 3-4 from tennessee and you pretty much have a top class

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Posted: 2/1/2013 11:00 AM

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Raising ticket prices makes a heck of a lot more sense than expanding the stadium time after time, even if your fundraising team in the best in existence and your donors are the most generous in existence, respectively.

It will undoubtedly take them some time to return to the SEC's penthouse, assuming they can get back there.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 11:05 AM

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I think its just the opposite!

SEC is perceived as a high-parity conference of power teams (similar to BiG in early 00's).  And voters give them the BotD for wins/losses in big games.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 11:44 AM

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Let me explain my thinking. If Tennessee were running to form and Alabama and Florida had more losses on their records the sec champions would more than likely have been playing in more Sugar Bowls than MNCGs the past 7 years thus not able to build the perception of dominance (because they wouldn't have a representative in that game.) So in a way that conference is perceived to be at its strongest when it is at its best balance of strong, average and weak teams and not a full collection of strong teams. This is in no way a criticism it is just an observation of a quirky system which I find interesting.

Going forward I will be interested to see what effect going to 9 conference games will have on that perception as more of their high tier teams absorb losses. That is if they go to 9 games.

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I think its just the opposite!

SEC is perceived as a high-parity conference of power teams (similar to BiG in early 00's).  And voters give them the BotD for wins/losses in big games.

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