MissStateBuckeye wrote:

SETIBuckeye wrote:

MissStateBuckeye wrote:

buckcherry wrote: These arguments are pure genius. All it takes is a "system" to be voted AP All America and win you the Heisman. Might as roll Larry the Cable Guy out there to sling it, because it is not your talent, it is your "system"

no - but to ignore that a system clearly pads stats is plain dumb

but to ignore that a QB must understand the system to make it work is plain dumb as well.

Plus this kid had basically a summer session to learn the system under center.  Now Braxton didn't have much more time to learn, maybe a Spring and Summer, but J-Ball sure did do a lot with what he learned.

Nobody is saying Manziel isn't a great college QB... But EVERY QB who's played in this system has lit it up

Is he the end all be all that the media made him out to be? no... was he very good? yes

he's a 2nd year college player in a new system just like Braxton... 

all I know is Braxton did not lose a game in this system so to say I'm wrong for choosing Braxton is comical... I'll point to 12-0 and the B1G Offensive Player of the Year and say I'm happy with my choice

You can point to the Heisman and a 11-2 record and be happy with your choice

Either way I think every coach in America would be elated to have either BM or JM running their offense

I'd take Manziel just because he seems more durable.

truebuckeye99 wrote:

MissStateBuckeye wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

BuckinDayton wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

buckcherry wrote: These arguments are pure genius. All it takes is a "system" to be voted AP All America and win you the Heisman. Might as roll Larry the Cable Guy out there to sling it, because it is not your talent, it is your "system"

No joke. This board is flat embarrassing with the lame excuses and ridiculous homerism. I love the Buckeyes and I like Braxton Miller but he's not as good of a quarterback as Manziel. Period. Manziel's pluses outweight Miller's.

Yes, the board is flat embarrassing because we don't agree with you. Nice shtick.

You have no credibility. Don't agree with me? How about every coach/scout that knows what the hell they're looking at when Braxton never picks up a blitz, never checks down to a hot read... did you even watch, say, his last game against Michigan when he looked like a deer in headlights with every blitz. And Michigan's defense isn't even all that great. Whether Manziel is better coached is debatable. Putting a spy on Braxton Miller and mixing zone and man coverages with an occasional blitz completely baffles/neutralizes Miller. The red zone blitz by Michigan, I believe in the third quarter, was a perfect example how Braxton does(not) react to the blitz. He froze up. And that was his last game of his sophomore season.

How did a player that can't read a blitz win the B1G player of the year?  If it was so easy to "baffle/neutralize" Miller - why didn't people actually do it?  How on earth did we get to 12-0 with a defense that struggled the majority of the season when the QB was as bad as you say?

I didnt say he was bad. Player of the year reflects more on Ohio State's record and the dearth of talent in the Big Ten. Outside of Ball, who really was a strong candidate? Miller had plenty of poor games and, again, poor competition helped inflate Miller's stats as much as you guys point to Sumlin's "system" accounting for Manziel's stats. The way you guys suggest, any clown can run A&M's offense in the best football conference and still put up big numbers in the "system."

SurfOhio wrote: just a reminder about A&M speed from earlier. track rankings.

no school in the country can keep up with them, the margin is 60 points

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Last updated - May 29, 2012

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1	Texas A&M	284.76	1
2	LSU	222.51	4
3	Arizona	220.2	6
4	Texas	219.5	5
5	Florida State	209.96	7
6	Florida	204.69	2

ELMIKE2K10 wrote:

superman2424 wrote:

ELMIKE2K10 wrote: 
The majority of Manziels passes were ding and donk passes where he would hit a WR or RB on a quick pattern which have to account for the high passing percentage. How many YAC are attributed to Manziels total yards? Miller seemed to throw the lower percentage deep ball more often. I agree Manziel is a more pollished QB as of right now who had better coaching up until last year than Miller, but give tOSU current coaching staff the same amount of time with Miller that Texas A&M's coaches has had with Manziel and see the results.

I think there's a legitimate discussion there.  I live in Ohio and saw Miller a lot in high school as well. His game has always been his legs and he has always struggled with accuracy.Could it have been due to lack of quality coachig at the position for him growing up? His past coaches could be accoused of going the easy route and relying too much on his athletic abilityIt has improved, but only marginally. After just one year with current coachesI think he's dynamic with his legs and an excellent decision maker, but I just can't see his throwing game elevated much above where it's at. I think he'll certainly go down as one of the all-time greats at OSU, but I don't think his game fits into the NFL at QB. As of right now no but lets see how he looks after his senoir year T Pryor got a job in the NFL and hes a worse throwing QB. He could certainly take giant leaps and prove me wrong, but I'm just a skeptic at this point. It will be interesting to see how he looks in the spring game now that hes been with the same coaches for over a year.

I also don't think you give Manziel enough credit. He threw down field plenty and to give most of the credit to his receivers seems to ignore facts in order to shape the reality you want as opposed to the one that happened. Have to disagree A&M'S offense is simular to the offenses of T Tech with the quick short throws though I not saying he didn't never throw down field. The one thing I will give Manziel is that he played great against Alabama which if we all agree is the only reason he won the heisman, he didn't look good against either LSU or Florida and did get fat off of a couple of FCS defenses not to mention he played LA Tech and a overrate Oklahoma Both are studs, but I can't see any argument that puts Miller as the better QB. As of right now Manziel is better but on lets see how the next 2 years play out.

Maker84 wrote: Braxton is more talented but Manziel just is alot smarter and is better at scrambling and making things happen when the play breaks down. He also has more touch and accuracy on short passes

RipAndRattle wrote: Aahahah lmao. How many big hits did Braxton take this year and get back up.

shamdan4 wrote:

BuckMike wrote: Manziel's a lot smarter and is a better scrambler ?

Maker84 wrote: Braxton is more talented but Manziel just is alot smarter and is better at scrambling and making things happen when the play breaks down. He also has more touch and accuracy on short passes

I would agree with that statement, he may not be a better runner but he is a better scrambler, smarter and MUCH tougher than Braxton.  He has the ability to make things happen time and time again when the pocket breaks down.  Miller needs to TOUGHEN UP!  He's mentally weak.