BuckeyeDaJuiceMan wrote:

OSU81 wrote: Too bad Bollman couldn't straighten his ass out and get him to perform at this high level.

Top 10 pick if he would have

6burgh wrote:

BuckeyeDaJuiceMan wrote:

OSU81 wrote: Too bad Bollman couldn't straighten his ass out and get him to perform at this high level.

Top 10 pick if he would have

 
Bollman everyone's whipping boy. How easy. If a player was OSU's version of Tim Tebow would either of you be giving the credit to the position coach? So don't give the blame.

MrBuckeye wrote:

6burgh wrote:

BuckeyeDaJuiceMan wrote:

OSU81 wrote: Too bad Bollman couldn't straighten his ass out and get him to perform at this high level.

Top 10 pick if he would have

 
Bollman everyone's whipping boy. How easy. If a player was OSU's version of Tim Tebow would either of you be giving the credit to the position coach? So don't give the blame.

That's a ridiculous analogy.  Bollman's lines consistantly underperformed. . .especially considering how well he did usually recruit.  When you take 5-star guys and 80% of those go undrafted, that's a problem.

buckeyemark wrote: They weren't all 5 star players!

Doug Datish 3 star
T.J. Downing 2 star
Nick Mangold NR
Rob Sims 3 star

Kirk Barton 3 star

Ben Person 4 star
Steve Rehring 3 star
Jon Skinner 3 star
Kyle Mitchum 4 star

Alex Boone 5 star
Jim Cordle 4 star

Connor Smith 5 star
Andy Miller 3 star
Bryant Browning 3 star

Evan Blankenship 3 star

Mike Adams 5 star
Micheal Brewster 5 star
J.B. Shugarts 5 star

Jack Mewhort 4 star
Corey Linsley 4 star
Sam Longo 3 star
Marcus Hall 4 star

Andrew Norwell 5 star

Chris Carter 3 star
Antonio Underwood 3 star
Tommy Brown 3 star
Brian Bobek 4 star

5 5 stars in 10 classes. Brewster had a very good career - 4 year starter - despite disappointing Senior season. Boone and Adams had good careers that could have been much better without errs in judgement made on their part. Shugarts was solid. Norwell is having a good career.

MrBuckeye wrote:

6burgh wrote:

BuckeyeDaJuiceMan wrote:

OSU81 wrote: Too bad Bollman couldn't straighten his ass out and get him to perform at this high level.

Top 10 pick if he would have

 
Bollman everyone's whipping boy. How easy. If a player was OSU's version of Tim Tebow would either of you be giving the credit to the position coach? So don't give the blame.

That's a ridiculous analogy.  Bollman's lines consistantly underperformed. . .especially considering how well he did usually recruit.  When you take 5-star guys and 80% of those go undrafted, that's a problem.

ERhino wrote: Someone needs to tell him the nic is already taken.

Ummm. . .Conner Smith never started a game.  Mike Adams burned a year as a freshman contributing VERY little.  His sophomore year was better, but it was a slow rate of progress to get him to where he was SUPPOSED to be when he walked in the door.  Brewster fell apart as a senior (how does that happen?) and Shugarts was a false-start machine that went undrafted.  Take any one of these situations by itself and you can blame the player, factor them all in and you have to consider the quality (or lack) of the coaching. 

While I can't say that our lines were always awful, the problem was that no matter how many returning starters and/or upper classmen we'd have returning to start a season it always looked like we had started from scratch at the onset of every single season.  Come bowl time, they were usually pretty good, but we'd then watch as these groups would forget how to play football between January and August and start over in the fall.  Consistently head-scratching.

Furthermore, Buckeyemark's recruiting stars weren't all accurate. 

2002 Class:
Datish was a 4-star
Dowing was a 3-star
Mangold was a 4-star 
Rob Sims was a 4-star

How about this; let's look at things in contrast. . .if Wisconsin had that list of players below and their recruiting stars, what do think they could do?  From 2002 to 2011, Wisconsin signed one 5-star and three 4-star players (Bollman could haul that in a single class).  All the rest were two and three star players. 

With the way we recruit, we can afford to not develop our players fully and still win.  Most here (who've been paying attention) recognized that many of our wins over the past decade came on the back of the defense, who not only could reload with new starters and still walk through the Big Ten, but were consistently tops in the nation.  We won inspite of our offense.  If and when we could find a QB who could improvise, our offense did fine behind those lines. . .but put in a Krenzel without a Clarrett, a Zwick, or a Boeckman (with or without Wells) and we were average to awful. . .even though we never had a backfield with anything less than 4-star recruits to spare. 

So look at that. . .some facts. . .some subjective analysis and no name calling.  Oh and Alabama emailed me.  They trumped your success precendent (in the limited scholarship era).  They wanted me to tell you that when you take lines full of 4 and 5 star recruits (like Ohio State usually has) and properly develop them you get the Alabama o-line.  Shock and awe smash mouth dominance, more along the lines of what we should expect.   

truebuckeye99 wrote: You are right. Tressel missed on a lot of 5* O linemen. Lots of idiots on here like MrBuckeye just rant on Bollman and our offensive line without being called out.

Any coach will tell you, offensive linemen are the most difficult to project from high school to college. Connor Smith just wasn't good enough to play at a high level in college. People bitch about Bollman, but from 2002-2010, this team had unprecedented success (in the limited scholarship era) here winning the Big Ten and beating Michigan and winning a NC and going to two other NC games. You don't win without a good offensive line.

Boone was an all Big Ten performer here and without his drinking problem he would have been drafted. Was Boone's sobriety problem also Bollman's fault? I don't have a problem with how Bollman coached what he had. I think he and Tressel could have done a better job recruiting better talent. That's my biggest beef with that pair.

buckeyemark wrote: They weren't all 5 star players!

Doug Datish 3 star
T.J. Downing 2 star
Nick Mangold NR
Rob Sims 3 star

Kirk Barton 3 star

Ben Person 4 star
Steve Rehring 3 star
Jon Skinner 3 star
Kyle Mitchum 4 star

Alex Boone 5 star
Jim Cordle 4 star

Connor Smith 5 star
Andy Miller 3 star
Bryant Browning 3 star

Evan Blankenship 3 star

Mike Adams 5 star
Micheal Brewster 5 star
J.B. Shugarts 5 star

Jack Mewhort 4 star
Corey Linsley 4 star
Sam Longo 3 star
Marcus Hall 4 star

Andrew Norwell 5 star

Chris Carter 3 star
Antonio Underwood 3 star
Tommy Brown 3 star
Brian Bobek 4 star

5 5 stars in 10 classes. Brewster had a very good career - 4 year starter - despite disappointing Senior season. Boone and Adams had good careers that could have been much better without errs in judgement made on their part. Shugarts was solid. Norwell is having a good career.

MrBuckeye wrote:

6burgh wrote:

BuckeyeDaJuiceMan wrote:

OSU81 wrote: Too bad Bollman couldn't straighten his ass out and get him to perform at this high level.

Top 10 pick if he would have

 
Bollman everyone's whipping boy. How easy. If a player was OSU's version of Tim Tebow would either of you be giving the credit to the position coach? So don't give the blame.

That's a ridiculous analogy.  Bollman's lines consistantly underperformed. . .especially considering how well he did usually recruit.  When you take 5-star guys and 80% of those go undrafted, that's a problem.

Stellar wrote: The San Francisco Zoo has named a black rhino after Alex Boone.  Seriously...


http://blog.49ers.com/2013/01/...he-rhino-boone/


Boone has really come along way from the guy who almost drank himself out of football a few years ago.  Good for him for turning his life around and good luck in the super bowl!

MrBuckeye wrote:

Ummm. . .Conner Smith never started a game.  Mike Adams burned a year as a freshman contributing VERY little.  His sophomore year was better, but it was a slow rate of progress to get him to where he was SUPPOSED to be when he walked in the door.  Brewster fell apart as a senior (how does that happen?) and Shugarts was a false-start machine that went undrafted.  Take any one of these situations by itself and you can blame the player, factor them all in and you have to consider the quality (or lack) of the coaching. 

While I can't say that our lines were always awful, the problem was that no matter how many returning starters and/or upper classmen we'd have returning to start a season it always looked like we had started from scratch at the onset of every single season.  Come bowl time, they were usually pretty good, but we'd then watch as these groups would forget how to play football between January and August and start over in the fall.  Consistently head-scratching.

Furthermore, Buckeyemark's recruiting stars weren't all accurate. 

2002 Class:
Datish was a 4-star
Dowing was a 3-star
Mangold was a 4-star 
Rob Sims was a 4-star

How about this; let's look at things in contrast. . .if Wisconsin had that list of players below and their recruiting stars, what do think they could do?  From 2002 to 2011, Wisconsin signed one 5-star and three 4-star players (Bollman could haul that in a single class).  All the rest were two and three star players. 

With the way we recruit, we can afford to not develop our players fully and still win.  Most here (who've been paying attention) recognized that many of our wins over the past decade came on the back of the defense, who not only could reload with new starters and still walk through the Big Ten, but were consistently tops in the nation.  We won inspite of our offense.  If and when we could find a QB who could improvise, our offense did fine behind those lines. . .but put in a Krenzel without a Clarrett, a Zwick, or a Boeckman (with or without Wells) and we were average to awful. . .even though we never had a backfield with anything less than 4-star recruits to spare. 

So look at that. . .some facts. . .some subjective analysis and no name calling.  Oh and Alabama emailed me.  They trumped your success precendent (in the limited scholarship era).  They wanted me to tell you that when you take lines full of 4 and 5 star recruits (like Ohio State usually has) and properly develop them you get the Alabama o-line.  Shock and awe smash mouth dominance, more along the lines of what we should expect.   

truebuckeye99 wrote: You are right. Tressel missed on a lot of 5* O linemen. Lots of idiots on here like MrBuckeye just rant on Bollman and our offensive line without being called out.

Any coach will tell you, offensive linemen are the most difficult to project from high school to college. Connor Smith just wasn't good enough to play at a high level in college. People bitch about Bollman, but from 2002-2010, this team had unprecedented success (in the limited scholarship era) here winning the Big Ten and beating Michigan and winning a NC and going to two other NC games. You don't win without a good offensive line.

Boone was an all Big Ten performer here and without his drinking problem he would have been drafted. Was Boone's sobriety problem also Bollman's fault? I don't have a problem with how Bollman coached what he had. I think he and Tressel could have done a better job recruiting better talent. That's my biggest beef with that pair.

buckeyemark wrote: They weren't all 5 star players!

Doug Datish 3 star
T.J. Downing 2 star
Nick Mangold NR
Rob Sims 3 star

Kirk Barton 3 star

Ben Person 4 star
Steve Rehring 3 star
Jon Skinner 3 star
Kyle Mitchum 4 star

Alex Boone 5 star
Jim Cordle 4 star

Connor Smith 5 star
Andy Miller 3 star
Bryant Browning 3 star

Evan Blankenship 3 star

Mike Adams 5 star
Micheal Brewster 5 star
J.B. Shugarts 5 star

Jack Mewhort 4 star
Corey Linsley 4 star
Sam Longo 3 star
Marcus Hall 4 star

Andrew Norwell 5 star

Chris Carter 3 star
Antonio Underwood 3 star
Tommy Brown 3 star
Brian Bobek 4 star

5 5 stars in 10 classes. Brewster had a very good career - 4 year starter - despite disappointing Senior season. Boone and Adams had good careers that could have been much better without errs in judgement made on their part. Shugarts was solid. Norwell is having a good career.

MrBuckeye wrote:

6burgh wrote:

BuckeyeDaJuiceMan wrote:

OSU81 wrote: Too bad Bollman couldn't straighten his ass out and get him to perform at this high level.

Top 10 pick if he would have

 
Bollman everyone's whipping boy. How easy. If a player was OSU's version of Tim Tebow would either of you be giving the credit to the position coach? So don't give the blame.

That's a ridiculous analogy.  Bollman's lines consistantly underperformed. . .especially considering how well he did usually recruit.  When you take 5-star guys and 80% of those go undrafted, that's a problem.

bonebuck wrote: HAYN-I am so very happy for Alex that he changed his life around. TD still stays in touch with him. I am definitely pulling for the 49ers.