No doubt. 8 homes in 2010,2012 and these traditional powers. Multiple runs of 4 straight home games. There is nobody better than Gene!

2012               Alabama birmingham
                      Miami Oh
            Central Florida

2013       Florida A&M
             Buffalo Bills... I mean Bulls

MrBuckeye wrote:

Thenationalchampions wrote: It's too bad so many of our fans judge his body of work only by what they see on TV, most of it related to tatgate.  All he did was defend your program from petty bs, such as discounted tattoos. Did you want him to agree w/most of the glib sports media, and concede that OSU deserved close to the death penalty over pawning rings and free tats?  Did you want him to agree w/uneducated walmart Michigan fans, that OSU systematically cheats, and it's a huge organized conspiracy that starts at the top?

What Smith has done for the OSU athletic program in regards to the dept's finances, student athletes -specifically the academic resources he has created, has been innovative, and done nothing but benefit OSU.

OSU's Athletic Dept is totally self-supporting; and it's because of Gene Smith, that the AD has transferred around $30 mil to the University in his seven years.  How many other programs can say that?  I'm guessing not most. 

Bottom line, the man is highly successful, he is a brilliant business mind (2010 Sport Business Journal Athletic Director of the Year,) and is a graduate of Notre Dame, so maybe some of you should not be showing such disrespect.

1) From a PR standpoint he did not handle the tat-gate situation well but what's more is that his on TV professionalism was lacking.  He looked unprofessional and even uneducated at times for a $1M/year AD of a major institution. 

2) I don't fault him for not expecting the bowl ban.  Nobody expected the bowl ban. 

3) I don't give Smith credit for the reason the department makes so much money.  It's a cash cow he simply asked to maintain. 

4) While Smith takes credit for the pursuit and hiring of Urban Meyer, most people know that the board circumvented Smith and went after Meyer on their own.

About six weeks ago, Gordon Gee was telling everyone who would listen that they were going to get a bowl ban no matter what.

MrBuckeye wrote: Hindsight is 20/20.  There was no precedent Smith could have pointed to, to justify a self imposed bowl ban AT THAT TIME. 

DocSoloman wrote: IMO,the harsh reality that many OSU fans have a hard time getting past is that Smith may very well have cost OSU a shot at the BCSCG this year and the millions that go with it.

If Smith already knew he had a good shot at Myer(as many do), then his Gator Bowl move was very puzzling. You would think a mediocre year with an interim coach would be the perfect time to accept a ban. He can't say it was for the Seniors, because any year is bad for the Seniors, like this year. Actually, this year is even worse.

Sure hindsight is 20/20 and everybody makes mistakes, but Smith's was HUGE.


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The NCAA cited Alabama and Auburn in 2002 and 2003 as precedents in its ruling.

Exactly. So why would Gee risk two bowl bans as opposed to one?  Do you think it's guaranteed that the NCAA would have been content w/a bowl ban from a 6-6 team?  It's likely they would have hit OSU in 2012 anyway, Gator Bowl ban or not. 

In hindsight, Gee and Smith did the right thing by not self-imposing a ban, because the NCAA usually adds to self sanctions anyway.  

colloid wrote:

MrBuckeye wrote:

Thenationalchampions wrote: It's too bad so many of our fans judge his body of work only by what they see on TV, most of it related to tatgate.  All he did was defend your program from petty bs, such as discounted tattoos. Did you want him to agree w/most of the glib sports media, and concede that OSU deserved close to the death penalty over pawning rings and free tats?  Did you want him to agree w/uneducated walmart Michigan fans, that OSU systematically cheats, and it's a huge organized conspiracy that starts at the top?

What Smith has done for the OSU athletic program in regards to the dept's finances, student athletes -specifically the academic resources he has created, has been innovative, and done nothing but benefit OSU.

OSU's Athletic Dept is totally self-supporting; and it's because of Gene Smith, that the AD has transferred around $30 mil to the University in his seven years.  How many other programs can say that?  I'm guessing not most. 

Bottom line, the man is highly successful, he is a brilliant business mind (2010 Sport Business Journal Athletic Director of the Year,) and is a graduate of Notre Dame, so maybe some of you should not be showing such disrespect.

1) From a PR standpoint he did not handle the tat-gate situation well but what's more is that his on TV professionalism was lacking.  He looked unprofessional and even uneducated at times for a $1M/year AD of a major institution. 

2) I don't fault him for not expecting the bowl ban.  Nobody expected the bowl ban. 

3) I don't give Smith credit for the reason the department makes so much money.  It's a cash cow he simply asked to maintain. 

4) While Smith takes credit for the pursuit and hiring of Urban Meyer, most people know that the board circumvented Smith and went after Meyer on their own.

About six weeks ago, Gordon Gee was telling everyone who would listen that they were going to get a bowl ban no matter what.

bill257 wrote: Most of the good you credit Smith with was the doing of Geiger. Gene Smith has just been a caretaker all these years. Geiger was the one to make all the capital improvements, hire incredible head coaches, and actually stand up to the media like you attempt to credit the fool Gene Smith with. Gene Smiths gets hired and just mops up the glory of his predecessor's brilliant decisions.

This is exactly correct-Gene Smith is reaping the accolades from Geiger's work. As for bringing in Um, I have heard that the board of trustees basically told Smith to get out of the way and let them handle the situation, which they obviously did. I am not going to sit around and cry "what if" about this season, but it is obvious that Smith screwed up big time by not self-imposing a bowl ban, and equally obvious that UM was blindsided by this move-if it had blown up his deal to become coach, I certainly wouldn't be as blase about the situation as I currently am.

Im not so sure we would have had a bowl ban for tatgate, I really do feel what pushed the NCAA over the top is when the players got caught for getting paid at a higher wage and not performing the hours, plus cash payments at fundraisers for buckeye appearances. If not for Smith, it could have been alot worse than a 1 year ban.

Of course he was. That was his way of protecting himself and Smith. DUH!!!!!!!!!

It was also his way to try and lessen the anger at him and Smith after we went undefeated and after the sanctions were announced. The two haven't been truthful regarding the matter all along and now we are going to start believing what they are trying to sell us. Not going to happen. Those in the know understand what went down and how it went down. Those two are clowns who need to move on!

Thank goodness Geiger hired Matta and the Board took Urban! Smith is just a clown parading as some AD. FIRE GENE.COM! 

colloid wrote:

MrBuckeye wrote:

Thenationalchampions wrote: It's too bad so many of our fans judge his body of work only by what they see on TV, most of it related to tatgate.  All he did was defend your program from petty bs, such as discounted tattoos. Did you want him to agree w/most of the glib sports media, and concede that OSU deserved close to the death penalty over pawning rings and free tats?  Did you want him to agree w/uneducated walmart Michigan fans, that OSU systematically cheats, and it's a huge organized conspiracy that starts at the top?

What Smith has done for the OSU athletic program in regards to the dept's finances, student athletes -specifically the academic resources he has created, has been innovative, and done nothing but benefit OSU.

OSU's Athletic Dept is totally self-supporting; and it's because of Gene Smith, that the AD has transferred around $30 mil to the University in his seven years.  How many other programs can say that?  I'm guessing not most. 

Bottom line, the man is highly successful, he is a brilliant business mind (2010 Sport Business Journal Athletic Director of the Year,) and is a graduate of Notre Dame, so maybe some of you should not be showing such disrespect.

1) From a PR standpoint he did not handle the tat-gate situation well but what's more is that his on TV professionalism was lacking.  He looked unprofessional and even uneducated at times for a $1M/year AD of a major institution. 

2) I don't fault him for not expecting the bowl ban.  Nobody expected the bowl ban. 

3) I don't give Smith credit for the reason the department makes so much money.  It's a cash cow he simply asked to maintain. 

4) While Smith takes credit for the pursuit and hiring of Urban Meyer, most people know that the board circumvented Smith and went after Meyer on their own.

About six weeks ago, Gordon Gee was telling everyone who would listen that they were going to get a bowl ban no matter what.

colloid wrote:

MrBuckeye wrote:

Thenationalchampions wrote: It's too bad so many of our fans judge his body of work only by what they see on TV, most of it related to tatgate.  All he did was defend your program from petty bs, such as discounted tattoos. Did you want him to agree w/most of the glib sports media, and concede that OSU deserved close to the death penalty over pawning rings and free tats?  Did you want him to agree w/uneducated walmart Michigan fans, that OSU systematically cheats, and it's a huge organized conspiracy that starts at the top?

What Smith has done for the OSU athletic program in regards to the dept's finances, student athletes -specifically the academic resources he has created, has been innovative, and done nothing but benefit OSU.

OSU's Athletic Dept is totally self-supporting; and it's because of Gene Smith, that the AD has transferred around $30 mil to the University in his seven years.  How many other programs can say that?  I'm guessing not most. 

Bottom line, the man is highly successful, he is a brilliant business mind (2010 Sport Business Journal Athletic Director of the Year,) and is a graduate of Notre Dame, so maybe some of you should not be showing such disrespect.

1) From a PR standpoint he did not handle the tat-gate situation well but what's more is that his on TV professionalism was lacking.  He looked unprofessional and even uneducated at times for a $1M/year AD of a major institution. 

2) I don't fault him for not expecting the bowl ban.  Nobody expected the bowl ban. 

3) I don't give Smith credit for the reason the department makes so much money.  It's a cash cow he simply asked to maintain. 

4) While Smith takes credit for the pursuit and hiring of Urban Meyer, most people know that the board circumvented Smith and went after Meyer on their own.

About six weeks ago, Gordon Gee was telling everyone who would listen that they were going to get a bowl ban no matter what.

If I had screwed up by not self-imposing a bowl ban in 2011, I'd probably say the same thing to cover my @ss.  If what Gee said was true then we'd have to assume OSU would get a bowl ban in 2013 if they had gone 5-7 in 2012.  Otherwise it's not a punishment, right?  Smith specifically said he didn't expect any bowl ban when he elected to send OSU to the Gator bowl in 2011.  If the NCAA's plan was to give OSU two year's bowl ban if they self-imposed, and only one if they didn't, then the NCAA is telling schools to never self-impose penalties.  I don't believe that's the case.  I believe Gee is clueless, Smith screwed up, and Gee is covering for him.  People in positions of power do that sort of thing all the time.  You didn't expect them to come out and publicly admit that they blew it, did you?

Smith and Gee originally cited financial hardship as the reason Pryor et al. sold their memorabilia.  We know that was b.s.  Remember when Gee called OSU's 13-13 tie with Michigan in '92 one of our greatest wins ever?  Where do people get the idea that Gee knows jack squat about football/athletics?

Nobody ever said anything about OSU getting a bowl ban in 2012 regardless of what happened in 2011 until after OSU got a bowl ban in 2012.  It's just making excuses and trying to rationalize a very poor decision in 2011.

buhkeiz wrote:

buckeye92 wrote: 


Gene renegotiated the contract for the new basketball practice facility after the financial crisis hit, ostensibly to get a more favorable deal.  That project is currently behind schedule and over budget.  That sort of thing never happened under Geiger.  You are right.  Geiger's accomplishments include building a basketball arena nobody likes, and football stadium upgrades that kllled the grass, and have since been redone.  The new basketball court was supposed to be ready by the start of the season but it was late too.  Then there was the ill-conceived Carrier Classic game that was canceled because, lo and behold, it gets cool on the ocean off the coast of South Carolina during night time in November.  Who knew (other than most everybody not named Gene Smith)? So if you are AD, and ESPN offers you $Xmillion to play on the court, you say "no thanks, condensation will cancel that.  we are content with IUPUI"?  OSU doesn't have a single B1G basketball game scheduled at home on a Saturday this season.Why??? All 4 Sunday games are NATIONAL CBS broadcasts...  And scheduling Kansas for an afternoon game during bowl season while the students were home on break wasn't the brightest idea in the world. Except it sold out...

Gene stood idly by while Barry Alvarez got OSU and Michigan placed in separate divisions in the new B1G.  That's a capital offense, imo.  Wisky BENEFITS from OSU and scUM being in the same division, and not split up. If you follow logic that OSU and UM are 1/2, then putting them in the same division makes every season a cakewalk for Wisky Nobody benefited more from the divisional alignments than Wisconsin and MSU.  Not coincidentally, Alvarez and Hollis are probably the two best AD's in the conference.  There's also that little matter of not self-imposing a bowl ban in 2011.  Gene used to be on the NCAA Infractions Committee so he should have known better yet he completely blew that call.  That's inexcusable.


I dont love, or hate Smith, but your arguments are just, well, bad.

If you're going to criticize the facilities upgrades under Geiger then you probably aren't in a position to call anyone else's arguments bad.

Barry Alvarez was interviewed on Columbus radio back in December and he stated that he wanted Wisconsin and OSU in the same division so it would open up Ohio recruiting for the Badgers.  That's when I realized what he was up to when he was in Delany's ear during expansion plans.  If Wisconsin would have been better off in a separate division from OSU, Michigan, and Penn State, why do you think he pressed for the current divisions?

No logical reasons??  WTH does that mean..?

Ok...let's see if you can get your head out of the sand long enough to follow this: Smith thought this incident was such a minor thing, that it was not worth self-reporting and no one would ever find out.  When that blew up in his face the University had to make the NCAA believe that Tressel was the ONLY one who knew about the incident.  If Smith had divulged knowledge of the situation we would have been talking potential "lack of instituional control" findings, and much much stiffer penalties.

The fact that Smith still has a job tells me that others at the University were complicit to this coverup and Smith agreed to shut up if he kept his job.

In 5 mins I could make a call or two and talk to someone who speaks to Tressel on almost a weekly basis. So what?  I'm sure a lot of other people on here that have been around the University all their lives can too....

Look, I love the reputation of my alma mater (which I doubt you're even an alum of) and the athletic dept.  And hell, I hated Tressel's incompetent coaching staff, so I shouldn't be complaining...we're in a great position right now.  It was probably a blessing in disguise to land Meyer.

But the facts are the facts - Jim Tressel took the fall for Gene Smith's incompetence.  Period.  Go ahead and convince yourself otherwise all you want...I frankly don't care  

Thenationalchampions wrote: Sure you have.  You've talked to people w/firsthand knowledge, but offer no logical reasons or facts to backup your fantasy, then give a "+1" to such a credible poster.

Try enrolling in a junior college, and go from there.  It beats posting fantasies and pretending to be in the know, on the internet.  

tOSUinPHX wrote: +1

I've talked to credible people with firsthand knowledge.  Smith knew about Tatgate/Pryor and had Tressel keep his mouth shut.  JT took the fall and was the patsy.  Why Smith is still employed at this University is beyond me....and alarming.

 

buhkeiz wrote:

buckeye92 wrote: 


Gene renegotiated the contract for the new basketball practice facility after the financial crisis hit, ostensibly to get a more favorable deal.  That project is currently behind schedule and over budget.  That sort of thing never happened under Geiger.  You are right.  Geiger's accomplishments include building a basketball arena nobody likes, and football stadium upgrades that kllled the grass, and have since been redone.  The new basketball court was supposed to be ready by the start of the season but it was late too.  Then there was the ill-conceived Carrier Classic game that was canceled because, lo and behold, it gets cool on the ocean off the coast of South Carolina during night time in November.  Who knew (other than most everybody not named Gene Smith)? So if you are AD, and ESPN offers you $Xmillion to play on the court, you say "no thanks, condensation will cancel that.  we are content with IUPUI"?  OSU doesn't have a single B1G basketball game scheduled at home on a Saturday this season.Why??? All 4 Sunday games are NATIONAL CBS broadcasts...  And scheduling Kansas for an afternoon game during bowl season while the students were home on break wasn't the brightest idea in the world. Except it sold out...

Gene stood idly by while Barry Alvarez got OSU and Michigan placed in separate divisions in the new B1G.  That's a capital offense, imo.  Wisky BENEFITS from OSU and scUM being in the same division, and not split up. If you follow logic that OSU and UM are 1/2, then putting them in the same division makes every season a cakewalk for Wisky Nobody benefited more from the divisional alignments than Wisconsin and MSU.  Not coincidentally, Alvarez and Hollis are probably the two best AD's in the conference.  There's also that little matter of not self-imposing a bowl ban in 2011.  Gene used to be on the NCAA Infractions Committee so he should have known better yet he completely blew that call.  That's inexcusable.


I dont love, or hate Smith, but your arguments are just, well, bad.

All good points. I actually think Gene Smith is a clown, but Buckeye 92's arguments are very weak.

I was quite unimpressed with him telling everybody that there was no reason to self-impose a bowl ban in 2011 because NCAA wouldn't levy on on us only to see NCAA take away the bowl appearance in 2012. That shows he cannot deliver on his promises. I have no respect for people that cannot follow up their tough talk with action.

On the flip side it was a blessing that we didn't go to a bowl last year. I think our spotless W-L record would have been besmirched. But Gene Smith doesnt get credit for that because he had no way of knowing that we would be 12-0 last year.

I am OK with us and Michigan being split up. That way we can hopefully beat them twice in certain years. Either way, it's not a huge deal with me since we would play them every year no matter what.

I just hope he's quietly let go at the end of his current contract. He's not a bad person, he's just incompetent.

Can anyone find another athletic director in history who has had two different football programs put on probation while he was at the helm?

Not to mention, two major programs receive post season bans (Arizona State baseball, Ohio State football)?

Though, hey! On the bright side, Smith's stupidity and inaction at Ohio State only lead to a bowl ban. At Arizona State, it got someone killed. So, there is that. I guess.

Thenationalchampions wrote: It's too bad so many of our fans judge his body of work only by what they see on TV, most of it related to tatgate.  All he did was defend your program from petty bs, such as discounted tattoos. Did you want him to agree w/most of the glib sports media, and concede that OSU deserved close to the death penalty over pawning rings and free tats?  Did you want him to agree w/uneducated walmart Michigan fans, that OSU systematically cheats, and it's a huge organized conspiracy that starts at the top?

What Smith has done for the OSU athletic program in regards to the dept's finances, student athletes -specifically the academic resources he has created, has been innovative, and done nothing but benefit OSU.

OSU's Athletic Dept is totally self-supporting; and it's because of Gene Smith, that the AD has transferred around $30 mil to the University in his seven years.  How many other programs can say that?  I'm guessing not most. 

Bottom line, the man is highly successful, he is a brilliant business mind (2010 Sport Business Journal Athletic Director of the Year,) and is a graduate of Notre Dame, so maybe some of you should not be showing such disrespect.

He failed to ask JT whether he had heard anything abou the tattoos in November when the players were being grilled.  Total incompetence (or dishonesty)

stxbuck wrote:

bill257 wrote: Most of the good you credit Smith with was the doing of Geiger. Gene Smith has just been a caretaker all these years. Geiger was the one to make all the capital improvements, hire incredible head coaches, and actually stand up to the media like you attempt to credit the fool Gene Smith with. Gene Smiths gets hired and just mops up the glory of his predecessor's brilliant decisions.

This is exactly correct-Gene Smith is reaping the accolades from Geiger's work. As for bringing in Um, I have heard that the board of trustees basically told Smith to get out of the way and let them handle the situation, which they obviously did. I am not going to sit around and cry "what if" about this season, but it is obvious that Smith screwed up big time by not self-imposing a bowl ban, and equally obvious that UM was blindsided by this move-if it had blown up his deal to become coach, I certainly wouldn't be as blase about the situation as I currently am.

Yep.  Op way off.

16isles wrote: No doubt. 8 homes in 2010,2012 and these traditional powers. Multiple runs of 4 straight home games. There is nobody better than Gene!

2012               Alabama birmingham
                      Miami Oh
            Central Florida

2013       Florida A&M
             Buffalo Bills... I mean Bulls

Yes Miami University, they were a school when Florida belonged to Spain, and named after the REAL Miami Indians, not the Mayaimi Indians in Florida. Miami U is also known as the "cradle of coaches"

(I think 16 isles is a U of Miami  fan :) )

hahahaha bcscg... You guys would have been ranked 4th tops if not for the ban.  I mean i'm a  Michigan fan, but even a clear headed buckeye fan could see their schedule was not deserving of a top 2 ranking (ND either).

DocSoloman wrote: IMO,the harsh reality that many OSU fans have a hard time getting past is that Smith may very well have cost OSU a shot at the BCSCG this year and the millions that go with it.

If Smith already knew he had a good shot at Myer(as many do), then his Gator Bowl move was very puzzling. You would think a mediocre year with an interim coach would be the perfect time to accept a ban. He can't say it was for the Seniors, because any year is bad for the Seniors, like this year. Actually, this year is even worse.

Sure hindsight is 20/20 and everybody makes mistakes, but Smith's was HUGE.


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--- HokeIsFat wrote:

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alanleatherman wrote: hahahaha bcscg... You guys would have been ranked 4th tops if not for the ban.  I mean i'm a dumbassed Michigan fan, but even a clear headed buckeye fan could see their schedule was not deserving of a top 2 ranking (ND either).

DocSoloman wrote: IMO,the harsh reality that many OSU fans have a hard time getting past is that Smith may very well have cost OSU a shot at the BCSCG this year and the millions that go with it.

If Smith already knew he had a good shot at Myer(as many do), then his Gator Bowl move was very puzzling. You would think a mediocre year with an interim coach would be the perfect time to accept a ban. He can't say it was for the Seniors, because any year is bad for the Seniors, like this year. Actually, this year is even worse.

Sure hindsight is 20/20 and everybody makes mistakes, but Smith's was HUGE.


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--- HokeIsFat wrote:

never will be forgiven for not self imposing Gator Bowl ban.

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Just graduated with a degree in Computer Science from Miami OH.... i guess that makes me a dumass  lolol DO you seriously think you guys beat Oregon? Or come within 14 or Bama?

Stratbuck wrote:

alanleatherman wrote: hahahaha bcscg... You guys would have been ranked 4th tops if not for the ban.  I mean i'm a dumbassed Michigan fan, but even a clear headed buckeye fan could see their schedule was not deserving of a top 2 ranking (ND either).

DocSoloman wrote: IMO,the harsh reality that many OSU fans have a hard time getting past is that Smith may very well have cost OSU a shot at the BCSCG this year and the millions that go with it.

If Smith already knew he had a good shot at Myer(as many do), then his Gator Bowl move was very puzzling. You would think a mediocre year with an interim coach would be the perfect time to accept a ban. He can't say it was for the Seniors, because any year is bad for the Seniors, like this year. Actually, this year is even worse.

Sure hindsight is 20/20 and everybody makes mistakes, but Smith's was HUGE.


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--- HokeIsFat wrote:

never will be forgiven for not self imposing Gator Bowl ban.

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fify

Stanford beat Oregon and A&M beat Alabama. So who knows. 

alanleatherman wrote: Just graduated with a degree in Computer Science from Miami OH.... i guess that makes me a dumass  lolol DO you seriously think you guys beat Oregon? Or come within 14 or Bama?

Stratbuck wrote:

alanleatherman wrote: hahahaha bcscg... You guys would have been ranked 4th tops if not for the ban.  I mean i'm a dumbassed Michigan fan, but even a clear headed buckeye fan could see their schedule was not deserving of a top 2 ranking (ND either).

DocSoloman wrote: IMO,the harsh reality that many OSU fans have a hard time getting past is that Smith may very well have cost OSU a shot at the BCSCG this year and the millions that go with it.

If Smith already knew he had a good shot at Myer(as many do), then his Gator Bowl move was very puzzling. You would think a mediocre year with an interim coach would be the perfect time to accept a ban. He can't say it was for the Seniors, because any year is bad for the Seniors, like this year. Actually, this year is even worse.

Sure hindsight is 20/20 and everybody makes mistakes, but Smith's was HUGE.


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--- HokeIsFat wrote:

never will be forgiven for not self imposing Gator Bowl ban.

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fify