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Re: More SEC love

Posted: 1/27/2013 9:37 AM

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With the playoffs coming, I hope that changes. OSU has already changed their ooc scheduling.

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I don't see much difference in playing Georgia State (FCS) versus Buffalo or Florida Atlantic.  A decent team is going to blast any of them at home.  Georgia State is probably a tougher out.

A cream puff is a cream puff, no matter their classification.

Most teams play three a year OOC and one BCS level team, fact.  No decent team will be challenged by those three cream puffs played at home.  Who cares who they are?

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What do you think about the Ohio State hire? 
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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:49 AM

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I think it may go the other way with 9 game conference slates.

Many teams will have to schedule 3 homes games against pastries to pay the bills.

Many programs may decide it is better to be 12-0/13-0 against weaker competition than 12-1 against solid competition, especially in the SEC where programs will think they are have an edge in credibility.  A 12-1 SEC team will generally be ranked at least 4th in most years, even if they played nobody of note OOC.

"Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.”
—Benjamin Franklin, 1706–1790

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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:55 AM

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True, i didn't consider the 9 conference games. Good point.

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--- cincydawg4 wrote:

I think it may go the other way with 9 game conference slates.

Many teams will have to schedule 3 homes games against pastries to pay the bills.

Many programs may decide it is better to be 12-0/13-0 against weaker competition than 12-1 against solid competition, especially in the SEC where programs will think they are have an edge in credibility.  A 12-1 SEC team will generally be ranked at least 4th in most years, even if they played nobody of note OOC.

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What do you think about the Ohio State hire? 
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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:04 AM

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Has the Big Ten given any consideration in switching a 9 conference games over the past few years?
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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:31 AM

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Nick Baumgardner | nbaumgardner@mlive.com 
on November 19, 2012 at 5:45 PM, updated November 20, 2012 at 11:32 AM
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DelanyConfExpansion.jpgBig Ten commissioner Jim Delany said Monday that the league's recent expansion could increase conference schedules in both football and basketball.AP Photo


Jim Delany has expanded the Big Ten once again, and with that, conference schedules for football and basketball could begin to increase as well.

After announcing the addition of Maryland to the league Monday, Big Ten commissioner said during a national teleconference that the league's conference football schedule could increase to nine games, and the league's basketball slate could jump up to as many as 20 contests for each team.

"Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.”
—Benjamin Franklin, 1706–1790

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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:58 AM

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UCLAMarv wrote: Has the Big Ten given any consideration in switching a 9 conference games over the past few years?

What's it matter to you?  You just make up the numbers anyway,
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Posted: 1/27/2013 12:21 PM

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UCLAMarv wrote: Ktffan--You have no equals when it comes to posting fiction; my previous statement was 100% correct, and the article I posted dissecting the fraud that is the SEC and pointing out their unmatched addiction to padding their schedules against FCS schools is also correct.

Deal with it!
Marv, have you bothered to look at either of my posts in this thread pointing out the gross factual errors in your posts?  You haven't responded to either.

I posted links to a database that shows how incredibly far off your numbers are.

Are you deliberately ignoring the facts?  At least respond with how I'm wrong if you think that's the case.  Right now you appear to be someone stuck on a script that doesn't need facts to support it.
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Posted: 1/27/2013 1:32 PM

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Well said. A cupcake is most definitely a cupcake.
cincydawg4 wrote: I don't see much difference in playing Georgia State (FCS) versus Buffalo or Florida Atlantic.  A decent team is going to blast any of them at home.  Georgia State is probably a tougher out.

A cream puff is a cream puff, no matter their classification.

Most teams play three a year OOC and one BCS level team, fact.  No decent team will be challenged by those three cream puffs played at home.  Who cares who they are?
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Posted: 1/27/2013 1:43 PM

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NorfolkVaTiger wrote:
UCLAMarv wrote: Ktffan--You have no equals when it comes to posting fiction; my previous statement was 100% correct, and the article I posted dissecting the fraud that is the SEC and pointing out their unmatched addiction to padding their schedules against FCS schools is also correct.

Deal with it!
Marv, have you bothered to look at either of my posts in this thread pointing out the gross factual errors in your posts?  You haven't responded to either.

I posted links to a database that shows how incredibly far off your numbers are.

Are you deliberately ignoring the facts?  At least respond with how I'm wrong if you think that's the case.  Right now you appear to be someone stuck on a script that doesn't need facts to support it.



He's always been that way.  All he needs to say it's right and no matter how rediculous it is, he believes it.

Really, is anyone buying that SEC teams all play two FCS teams a year?  He does.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 1:13 AM

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NorfolkVaTiger---That writer made a few mistakes in his article, and after doing some research on my own, here's what I found.

1)---His assertion that the SEC played all of those 215 of 416 OOC games (bowl games included) against bottom feeders was distorted in part by his double-counting of the SEC's 26 games against the WAC, although he pointed out that only three of those games were against Boise St. or Fresno St.

OTOH, 18 of the Pac-10's 65 games against WAC schools were against either BSU or FSU, thereby increasing the possibility of an OOC loss, which represents a 180% reversal from the SEC's dominant mindset of avoiding upper-level programs whenever possible, and especially on the road.

As others have pointed out on this board, Alabama & Auburn are really hell-bent on doing so, and have only a handful of OOC road games during the 15 years of the BCS era.

2)---His assertion that SEC schools rarely leave the Deep South to play upper-echelon programs either in the Midwest or in the western half of the country is unimpeachable; contrast the OOC schedules of the past 10, 20 or 30+ years for USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon & ASU agaainst Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, LSU & Florida and you'll see an extremely wide margin in quality of opponents comfortably favoring the Pac-10/Pac-12.

If you disregard the traditional USC/ND & UF/FSU matches, the SEC is even farther behind, and the Gators are well behind the 'Canes & the 'Noles in OOC scheduling choices, as everyone knows; their 'We play FSU every year' boast doesn't hold water since FSU's program has imploded over the past dozen years since they lost 

If most of the SEC schools won't spend 2-4 hours on a plane to prove themselves against upper-echelon programs in other regions or time zones, there's no reason for them to be taken seriously from a national perspective, regardless of what ESPN claims.

If ESPN wishes to spend time praising the SEC elite and absurdly pumping the schools in the lower half of that conference, including the ludicrous cheerleading for Mississippi St. last year as well as Arkansas & South Carolina in recent years, their bias is undeniable, and any claims they might have for being impartial are equally asinine.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:10 AM

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marv LOOK AT A MAP.

to start with boise st and fresno state ARENT out of the area for pac 12 schools.eek

back to the point of this---

lets see how many CHANCES the pac 12 has to play a major ooc team in THEIR area---

majors in california not in the pac----NONE
majors in oregon not in the pac--NONE
majors in washington not in the pac--NONE
majors in arizona not in the pac--NONE

cant go south, west or north so lets start looking east--
majors in idaho--NONE
majors in nevada--NONE
majors in new mexico--NONE
majors in montana--NONE
majors in wyoming--NONE
majors in utah--NONE until utah joined the pac
majors in north dakota--NONE
majors in south dakota--NONE
majors in colorado--ONE

that is ONE---ONE major ooc team in THIRTEEN states.eekeek

now lets look at the sec and see what is local--
florida--miami and fsu who have combined for 7 national titles since 1980
uga-ga tech who shared a national titles in that span.
south carolina--clemson who won a national title

now look at contigous states-
north carolina-unc, nc state, duke and wake forest
virginia-uva and va tech
west virginia-west va
ohio-ohio state and cincy
indiana-indiana, purdue and notre dame
illinois-ill and nw
missouri-missouri
oklahoma--oklahoma and ok st
texas--texas, texas a&m, texas tech and baylor

the pac 12 HAS to travel to play a major school. you dont get a cookie for doing something when you have no alternative.

for most pac 12 teams a major nonconference opponent is over 1000 miles away.

they cant sell all their tickets when they have big names, no way they can if they schedule local smaller teams.

if you would look at a map of the united states just ONE time we would never have this arguement again.tongue
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:00 AM

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UCLAMarv wrote: NorfolkVaTiger---That writer made a few mistakes in his article, and after doing some research on my own, here's what I found.

1)---His assertion that the SEC played all of those 215 of 416 OOC games (bowl games included) against bottom feeders was distorted in part by his double-counting of the SEC's 26 games against the WAC, although he pointed out that only three of those games were against Boise St. or Fresno St.

OTOH, 18 of the Pac-10's 65 games against WAC schools were against either BSU or FSU, thereby increasing the possibility of an OOC loss, which represents a 180% reversal from the SEC's dominant mindset of avoiding upper-level programs whenever possible, and especially on the road.

As others have pointed out on this board, Alabama & Auburn are really hell-bent on doing so, and have only a handful of OOC road games during the 15 years of the BCS era.

2)---His assertion that SEC schools rarely leave the Deep South to play upper-echelon programs either in the Midwest or in the western half of the country is unimpeachable; contrast the OOC schedules of the past 10, 20 or 30+ years for USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon & ASU agaainst Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, LSU & Florida and you'll see an extremely wide margin in quality of opponents comfortably favoring the Pac-10/Pac-12.

If you disregard the traditional USC/ND & UF/FSU matches, the SEC is even farther behind, and the Gators are well behind the 'Canes & the 'Noles in OOC scheduling choices, as everyone knows; their 'We play FSU every year' boast doesn't hold water since FSU's program has imploded over the past dozen years since they lost 

If most of the SEC schools won't spend 2-4 hours on a plane to prove themselves against upper-echelon programs in other regions or time zones, there's no reason for them to be taken seriously from a national perspective, regardless of what ESPN claims.

If ESPN wishes to spend time praising the SEC elite and absurdly pumping the schools in the lower half of that conference, including the ludicrous cheerleading for Mississippi St. last year as well as Arkansas & South Carolina in recent years, their bias is undeniable, and any claims they might have for being impartial are equally asinine.

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A FEW????  A few???  It's hard to find anything he got right.

First of all, you know the WAC is not an FCS conference, right?

On top of that SEC teams did not play 26 games against WAC teams.


Mistakes for the SEC were as follows:


The SEC played more than 416 non-conference games, and they weren't 315-101.  They weren't 87-79 against "BCS Schools".  They weren't 12-12 against The Big Ten.  They weren't 14-14 against The Big 12.  They weren't 12-10 against the Big East.  They weren't 39-32 against the ACC.   They did not have 199 wins against FCS schools, they did not have 16 losses against FCS schools, they did not win 47.8% of their wins against FCS schools.  They did not have 109 regular seasong games against BCS schools.  The number of road games and percentages is also wrong.

Mistakes for the PAC-12 were as follows:


The PAC played less than 315 non-conference games, and their record was not 206-109.  They were not 76-72 against "BCS schools".  They were 25-17 against The Big 10, they weren't 11-5 against the ACC, and they weren't 4-5 against the Big East.  They did not have 43 wins against FCS.  They did not have 2 losses against FCS schools. Of course the win percentages against FCS is also wrong.  They did not have 162 regular season games against BCS and MWC teams, they did not have 114 regular season games against BCS schools.  The PAC did not have 85 non-conference road games.

The article even blew the USC numbers.


Almost everything in that article was wrong, and yet you seemed to accepted it to the that you're defending it as "correct" when the extremely obvious flaws are pointed out to you. 

The writer of this article in no way established himself as someone who's giving accurate information, far less good information.  That stats blown were easy stats and easy stats is not going to give you a decent conference comparison.  If a guy blew the easy stats, he's certainly not going to give you an in-depth anaysis.  Yet he posts this on the internet and guys accept the information he gives without fail, even though it gave a far from accurate picture.  You bought it to the point that you are posting it years later.  A work of fiction made that deep impression on you. 

Come on, be better than that.

 

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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:01 AM

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It appears to me that Alabama's future scheduling is about the same as most other major programs.  Is that not correct?  I did not look up Auburn.

Most teams play one BCS level OOC opponent and 3 cream puffs, whether the latter are "1AA battery teams or not" only matters to Michigan.

"Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.”
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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:12 AM

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First of all, I think the Pac 10 does the best job of any conference of scheduling tough OOC competition. No, the SEC doesn't play the most FCS teams. The Big 12 does, followed by the ACC. But the SEC does play more than the Big 10.
But Marv's numbers are just absurd. Claiming the SEC played 199 games against FCS teams 2002-2009 when it actually played 59?
That's pretty ridiculous.

And Cincydawg is right. Most BCS teams play one good opponent and three easy ones each year. There are obviously exceptions. USC seems to play just about nothing but good teams. Some teams don't play any.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:47 AM

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scarlet71 wrote: WHO CARES ABOUT THE $EC.......DON'T KNOW WHY THEY TROLL THIS BOARD?  WE ALL KNOW THE REASONcool
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:04 AM

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The pac 12 went to 9 conference games not because of some noble intent, it was because there is such a dearth of quality opponents in the conference footprint. It was done to increase attendance at the games. In the South we call that putting fannies in the seats.


A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:17 AM

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scarlet71 wrote:
scarlet71 wrote: WHO CARES ABOUT THE $EC.......DON'T KNOW WHY THEY TROLL THIS BOARD?  WE ALL KNOW THE REASONcool
I believe it was an OSU fan who started this post, and that is true for many other posts which involve the SEC.  SEC fans "troll" this board because of the warm welcome Buckeye fans here have extended to MOST of them.

"Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.”
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:02 PM

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cincydawg4 wrote:
scarlet71 wrote:
scarlet71 wrote: WHO CARES ABOUT THE $EC.......DON'T KNOW WHY THEY TROLL THIS BOARD?  WE ALL KNOW THE REASONcool
I believe it was an OSU fan who started this post, and that is true for many other posts which involve the SEC.  SEC fans "troll" this board because of the warm welcome Buckeye fans here have extended to MOST of them.
Finally the truth, Thank Youcool  Why not pat your back on a $EC board
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:38 PM

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I feel no need to "pat my back", whether my own team did well or not.

"Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.”
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Posted: 1/29/2013 5:02 PM

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16isles wrote: Michigan doesn't have anybody down low. What win by Michigan has impressed you? I forgot.... Kansas.
The beat NC St and won at Minnesota.

Doesn't have anybody down low? That statement demonstrates that you likely know very little about Michigan outside of a box score.
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