asdodge wrote:

BuckinDayton wrote:

asdodge wrote:

cradleoffootball wrote: There is no way we would have won  a title in 2011 if Pryor wouldnt have screwed himself and the buckeyes.


That team had all kinds of problems,  he would have been just one more on the pile.

If OSU has just Pryor back in 2011 (all other issues the same) OSU does not lose 4 of its last 5 games.  Suspensions in place, Pryor returning game 6 against Nebraksa.  OSU probably beats Nebraska, Purdue, PSU, Michigan.  By the time all suspensions are over, even with that silly coaching staff... OSU probably finishes 10-3 just on Pryor vs Miller.  Yes, without Pryor and with Bollman calling the offense, OSU was doomed to be a crap team.

Not sure, unless Pryor somehow improved the defense as well.

Miller certainly did enough to beat Nebraska(before the injury). And he had a better game vs. Michigan than Pryor ever dreamed of.

Problems started with offense.  Team could not move the ball.  Miller was too inexperienced.  If offense is stable, it pulls out those games... all close, bad D and all, poor offense unable to do anything.

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

OleLardbelly wrote: there are no facts to support your criticism of Pryor...He traded his own property for tattoos & he was nailed for speeding..period

You're wrong and it's not close. He caused friction the minute he stepped onto the field with his teammates with his attitude. He also did not take coaching/criticism well and he always complained that he wasn't getting a bigger piece of the pie since fans came to see him play. Those aren't secrets to anyone around the program. Even after agreeing with NFL commissioner Roger Goddell on a four-game suspension as a condition of being allowed to enter the Supplemental Draft without properly qualifying, he complained to the NFL that Jim Tressel was not suspended when hired by the Indianapolis Colts for some menial job. So Goddell suspended Pryor's former coach four games as well.

It was five games. Are you actually suggesting that the NFL Commish. made a decision based on the complaints of a 20 something soon to be a #3 QB on the depth chart? Really?

Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts had just hired.

Because I thought your post sounded fishy I did some research. It wasn't Goddell who suspended JT. It was the Colts and JT suggested it.

"During the weekend, Colts owner Jim Irsay, coach Jim Caldwell, Polian
and Tressel discussed the situation and consulted NFL officials.

"At coach Tressel's suggestion, and with Mr. Irsay's ... support, we have
decided to begin coach Tressel's employment effective with our seventh
regular-season game (Oct. 23 at New Orleans)."

Goddell did say he supported the suspension and would have done so had the Colts not. I am not sure where you got your info, but I am inclined to believe you just made it up as you did with your claims about TP while he was at tOSU.

Tressel was getting suspended. He jumped before he was pushed. No made up claims about Pryor. Where have you been? Under a rock.

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

OleLardbelly wrote: there are no facts to support your criticism of Pryor...He traded his own property for tattoos & he was nailed for speeding..period

You're wrong and it's not close. He caused friction the minute he stepped onto the field with his teammates with his attitude. He also did not take coaching/criticism well and he always complained that he wasn't getting a bigger piece of the pie since fans came to see him play. Those aren't secrets to anyone around the program. Even after agreeing with NFL commissioner Roger Goddell on a four-game suspension as a condition of being allowed to enter the Supplemental Draft without properly qualifying, he complained to the NFL that Jim Tressel was not suspended when hired by the Indianapolis Colts for some menial job. So Goddell suspended Pryor's former coach four games as well.

It was five games. Are you actually suggesting that the NFL Commish. made a decision based on the complaints of a 20 something soon to be a #3 QB on the depth chart? Really?

Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts had just hired.

Because I thought your post sounded fishy I did some research. It wasn't Goddell who suspended JT. It was the Colts and JT suggested it.

"During the weekend, Colts owner Jim Irsay, coach Jim Caldwell, Polian
and Tressel discussed the situation and consulted NFL officials.

"At coach Tressel's suggestion, and with Mr. Irsay's ... support, we have
decided to begin coach Tressel's employment effective with our seventh
regular-season game (Oct. 23 at New Orleans)."

Goddell did say he supported the suspension and would have done so had the Colts not. I am not sure where you got your info, but I am inclined to believe you just made it up as you did with your claims about TP while he was at tOSU.

Tressel was getting suspended. He jumped before he was pushed. No made up claims about Pryor. Where have you been? Under a rock.

"Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness
regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his
boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking
like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough
labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply
didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts
had just hired."

This is what you wrote. And all of it is false. Goodell DID not suspend JT and in fact had nothing to do with it. Whether he would have if the Colts had not is irrelevant. There was no PR problem and nothing for him "deal with" I have heard a gazillion stories about TP from "those close to the program" and most turned out to be BS. He wasn't the only one who sold his stuff either.

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

OleLardbelly wrote: there are no facts to support your criticism of Pryor...He traded his own property for tattoos & he was nailed for speeding..period

You're wrong and it's not close. He caused friction the minute he stepped onto the field with his teammates with his attitude. He also did not take coaching/criticism well and he always complained that he wasn't getting a bigger piece of the pie since fans came to see him play. Those aren't secrets to anyone around the program. Even after agreeing with NFL commissioner Roger Goddell on a four-game suspension as a condition of being allowed to enter the Supplemental Draft without properly qualifying, he complained to the NFL that Jim Tressel was not suspended when hired by the Indianapolis Colts for some menial job. So Goddell suspended Pryor's former coach four games as well.

It was five games. Are you actually suggesting that the NFL Commish. made a decision based on the complaints of a 20 something soon to be a #3 QB on the depth chart? Really?

Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts had just hired.

Because I thought your post sounded fishy I did some research. It wasn't Goddell who suspended JT. It was the Colts and JT suggested it.

"During the weekend, Colts owner Jim Irsay, coach Jim Caldwell, Polian
and Tressel discussed the situation and consulted NFL officials.

"At coach Tressel's suggestion, and with Mr. Irsay's ... support, we have
decided to begin coach Tressel's employment effective with our seventh
regular-season game (Oct. 23 at New Orleans)."

Goddell did say he supported the suspension and would have done so had the Colts not. I am not sure where you got your info, but I am inclined to believe you just made it up as you did with your claims about TP while he was at tOSU.

Tressel was getting suspended. He jumped before he was pushed. No made up claims about Pryor. Where have you been? Under a rock.

"Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness
regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his
boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking
like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough
labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply
didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts
had just hired."

This is what you wrote. And all of it is false. Goodell DID not suspend JT and in fact had nothing to do with it. Whether he would have if the Colts had not is irrelevant. There was no PR problem and nothing for him "deal with" I have heard a gazillion stories about TP from "those close to the program" and most turned out to be BS. He wasn't the only one who sold his stuff either.

LOL. You're an idiot if you think the Colts just did this on their own. Tressel was getting suspended by Goodell. The rest is semantics. And if you think otherwise, you are just a naive fool who wants to argue.

OleLardbelly wrote:   OK, again, other  than trading his own property for tattoos & getting speeding tickets, what did he do?     I  have never once heard anyone associated with The  Ohio State University say anything bad about this young man..

truebuckeye99 wrote:

OleLardbelly wrote: there are no facts to support your criticism of Pryor...He traded his own property for tattoos & he was nailed for speeding..period

You're wrong and it's not close. He caused friction the minute he stepped onto the field with his teammates with his attitude. He also did not take coaching/criticism well and he always complained that he wasn't getting a bigger piece of the pie since fans came to see him play. Those aren't secrets to anyone around the program. Even after agreeing with NFL commissioner Roger Goddell on a four-game suspension as a condition of being allowed to enter the Supplemental Draft without properly qualifying, he complained to the NFL that Jim Tressel was not suspended when hired by the Indianapolis Colts for some menial job. So Goddell suspended Pryor's former coach four games as well.

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

OleLardbelly wrote: there are no facts to support your criticism of Pryor...He traded his own property for tattoos & he was nailed for speeding..period

You're wrong and it's not close. He caused friction the minute he stepped onto the field with his teammates with his attitude. He also did not take coaching/criticism well and he always complained that he wasn't getting a bigger piece of the pie since fans came to see him play. Those aren't secrets to anyone around the program. Even after agreeing with NFL commissioner Roger Goddell on a four-game suspension as a condition of being allowed to enter the Supplemental Draft without properly qualifying, he complained to the NFL that Jim Tressel was not suspended when hired by the Indianapolis Colts for some menial job. So Goddell suspended Pryor's former coach four games as well.

It was five games. Are you actually suggesting that the NFL Commish. made a decision based on the complaints of a 20 something soon to be a #3 QB on the depth chart? Really?

Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts had just hired.

Because I thought your post sounded fishy I did some research. It wasn't Goddell who suspended JT. It was the Colts and JT suggested it.

"During the weekend, Colts owner Jim Irsay, coach Jim Caldwell, Polian
and Tressel discussed the situation and consulted NFL officials.

"At coach Tressel's suggestion, and with Mr. Irsay's ... support, we have
decided to begin coach Tressel's employment effective with our seventh
regular-season game (Oct. 23 at New Orleans)."

Goddell did say he supported the suspension and would have done so had the Colts not. I am not sure where you got your info, but I am inclined to believe you just made it up as you did with your claims about TP while he was at tOSU.

Tressel was getting suspended. He jumped before he was pushed. No made up claims about Pryor. Where have you been? Under a rock.

"Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness
regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his
boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking
like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough
labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply
didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts
had just hired."

This is what you wrote. And all of it is false. Goodell DID not suspend JT and in fact had nothing to do with it. Whether he would have if the Colts had not is irrelevant. There was no PR problem and nothing for him "deal with" I have heard a gazillion stories about TP from "those close to the program" and most turned out to be BS. He wasn't the only one who sold his stuff either.

LOL. You're an idiot if you think the Colts just did this on their own. Tressel was getting suspended by Goodell. The rest is semantics. And if you think otherwise, you are just a naive fool who wants to argue.

Sorry, you are the idiot who got busted for posting BS. There is no argument about that. You said Goddell suspended JT bowing to player protest and a PR nightmare. That never happened. No matter how much you try to deflect and blame it in "semantics", you were wrong.

BuckinDayton wrote:

asdodge wrote:

BuckinDayton wrote:

asdodge wrote:

cradleoffootball wrote: There is no way we would have won  a title in 2011 if Pryor wouldnt have screwed himself and the buckeyes.


That team had all kinds of problems,  he would have been just one more on the pile.

If OSU has just Pryor back in 2011 (all other issues the same) OSU does not lose 4 of its last 5 games.  Suspensions in place, Pryor returning game 6 against Nebraksa.  OSU probably beats Nebraska, Purdue, PSU, Michigan.  By the time all suspensions are over, even with that silly coaching staff... OSU probably finishes 10-3 just on Pryor vs Miller.  Yes, without Pryor and with Bollman calling the offense, OSU was doomed to be a crap team.

Not sure, unless Pryor somehow improved the defense as well.

Miller certainly did enough to beat Nebraska(before the injury). And he had a better game vs. Michigan than Pryor ever dreamed of.

Problems started with offense.  Team could not move the ball.  Miller was too inexperienced.  If offense is stable, it pulls out those games... all close, bad D and all, poor offense unable to do anything.

We moved the ball quite well at both Nebraska and Michigan. Pryor didn't have to worry about his defenses giving up 40.

sanitarian2 wrote: I'm really sorry about your hearing loss, can you read lips?

OleLardbelly wrote:   OK, again, other  than trading his own property for tattoos & getting speeding tickets, what did he do?     I  have never once heard anyone associated with The  Ohio State University say anything bad about this young man..

truebuckeye99 wrote:

OleLardbelly wrote: there are no facts to support your criticism of Pryor...He traded his own property for tattoos & he was nailed for speeding..period

You're wrong and it's not close. He caused friction the minute he stepped onto the field with his teammates with his attitude. He also did not take coaching/criticism well and he always complained that he wasn't getting a bigger piece of the pie since fans came to see him play. Those aren't secrets to anyone around the program. Even after agreeing with NFL commissioner Roger Goddell on a four-game suspension as a condition of being allowed to enter the Supplemental Draft without properly qualifying, he complained to the NFL that Jim Tressel was not suspended when hired by the Indianapolis Colts for some menial job. So Goddell suspended Pryor's former coach four games as well.

pmmason wrote: Sorry, you are the idiot who got busted for posting BS. There is no argument about that. You said Goddell suspended JT bowing to player protest and a PR nightmare. That never happened. No matter how much you try to deflect and blame it in "semantics", you were wrong.

Oakland Raiders quarterback Terrelle Pryor's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, informed the NFLPA on Friday that Pryor wants to move forward with an appeal of his five-game suspension, sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

The union is seeking confirmation from Pryor before it files the appeal.

Pryor

Pryor had previously said he would not oppose the penalty the NFL imposed as a condition of making him eligible for the supplemental draft. Commissioner Roger Goodell said the NFL suspended Pryor for violating NFL eligibility rules when he sold memorabilia while playing for Ohio State.

Pryor agreed before playing in this year's Sugar Bowl against Arkansas that he would sit out five games for the Buckeyes in 2011 because of the violations. Pryor later left school, after coach Jim Tressel resigned amid the scandal.

Members of the NFLPA executive committee had pushed for the union to appeal the NFL's suspension. Charlie Batch of the Pittsburgh Steelers and Scott Fujita of the Cleveland Browns were particularly vocal about their concern that the punishment sent the wrong message. Though Goodell said he made the decision without consulting the NCAA, Fujita, Batch and were concerned about collegiate violations carrying over to the NFL and Goodell making unilateral decisions on punishments.

Goodell said earlier this week that he would have suspended Tressel, hired by the Indianapolis Colts as a game-day consultant, if Tressel and the Colts hadn't decided to delay Tressel's employment until Week 7 of the season.

The NFLPA will conduct a full inquiry into the events surrounding Pryor's suspension and legal counsel. Pryor's attorney, David Cornwell, filed a letter Aug. 26 saying he planned to appeal.

The Raiders drafted Pryor in the third round of the supplemental draft.

NFL affirms Terrelle Pryor’s five-game suspension
Posted by Michael David Smith
September 30, 2011, 4:34 PM EST

Oakland (AP) - The NFL has rejected the appeal of Raiders rookie quarterback Terrelle Pryor , saying that Pryor will remain suspended for the first five games of the regular season for “improperly manipulating the NFL’s eligibility rules.” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell released a statement saying Pryor attempted to sidestep the league’s rules on eligibility by purposely getting himself declared ineligible to play his senior season at Ohio State. The Raiders can add Pryor to their active roster following their game at Houston on October 9. “Based on Mr. Pryor’s actions, I believe it is a fair conclusion that he intentionally took steps to ensure that he would be declared ineligible for further college play and would be able to enter the NFL via the Supplemental Draft,” Goodell said in the statement. “Taken as a whole, I found that this conduct was tantamount to a deliberate manipulation of our eligibility rules in a way that distorts the underlying principles and calls into question the integrity of those rules.” Goodell said Pryor first decided he wanted to leave Ohio State and then took actions to make himself ineligible “to hasten the day when he could pursue a potentially lucrative professional career in the NFL.” According to Goodell, the NFL has an interest in keeping players from circumventing the rules regarding applying for the supplemental draft, which takes place in the summer if any players have had their college eligibility status change since the deadline to declare for the regular draft. “This smacks of a calculated effort to manipulate our eligibility rules in a way that undermines the integrity of, and public confidence in, those rules,” Goodell said. “Mr. Pryor made an affirmative decision to remain in college and play for Ohio State in 2011. He later reconsidered and decided that he wanted to enter the NFL. In order to do so, he needed to forfeit his remaining college eligibility and took steps to ensure that would happen. Based on the specific facts presented here, I conclude that Mr. Pryor’s actions warranted imposition of conditions on his entry into the NFL, namely, that he serve the same five-game suspension that he had previously agreed to while at Ohio State.”

Grant87 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

OleLardbelly wrote: there are no facts to support your criticism of Pryor...He traded his own property for tattoos & he was nailed for speeding..period

You're wrong and it's not close. He caused friction the minute he stepped onto the field with his teammates with his attitude. He also did not take coaching/criticism well and he always complained that he wasn't getting a bigger piece of the pie since fans came to see him play. Those aren't secrets to anyone around the program. Even after agreeing with NFL commissioner Roger Goddell on a four-game suspension as a condition of being allowed to enter the Supplemental Draft without properly qualifying, he complained to the NFL that Jim Tressel was not suspended when hired by the Indianapolis Colts for some menial job. So Goddell suspended Pryor's former coach four games as well.

It was five games. Are you actually suggesting that the NFL Commish. made a decision based on the complaints of a 20 something soon to be a #3 QB on the depth chart? Really?

Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts had just hired.

Because I thought your post sounded fishy I did some research. It wasn't Goddell who suspended JT. It was the Colts and JT suggested it.

"During the weekend, Colts owner Jim Irsay, coach Jim Caldwell, Polian
and Tressel discussed the situation and consulted NFL officials.

"At coach Tressel's suggestion, and with Mr. Irsay's ... support, we have
decided to begin coach Tressel's employment effective with our seventh
regular-season game (Oct. 23 at New Orleans)."

Goddell did say he supported the suspension and would have done so had the Colts not. I am not sure where you got your info, but I am inclined to believe you just made it up as you did with your claims about TP while he was at tOSU.

Tressel was getting suspended. He jumped before he was pushed. No made up claims about Pryor. Where have you been? Under a rock.

"Yep. There was a backlash from other players stemming from a perceived uneveness
regarding the punishment. Many people thought the commish overstepped his
boundaries by suspending Pryor in the first place. With Goddell already looking
like some kind of "slavemaster" to many of the players on the heels of tough
labor negotiations that had just ended, it was a PR problem that Goddell simply
didn't want to deal with. Easy and painless to suspended part-timer the Colts
had just hired."

This is what you wrote. And all of it is false. Goodell DID not suspend JT and in fact had nothing to do with it. Whether he would have if the Colts had not is irrelevant. There was no PR problem and nothing for him "deal with" I have heard a gazillion stories about TP from "those close to the program" and most turned out to be BS. He wasn't the only one who sold his stuff either.

LOL. You're an idiot if you think the Colts just did this on their own. Tressel was getting suspended by Goodell. The rest is semantics. And if you think otherwise, you are just a naive fool who wants to argue.

Sorry, you are the idiot who got busted for posting BS. There is no argument about that. You said Goddell suspended JT bowing to player protest and a PR nightmare. That never happened. No matter how much you try to deflect and blame it in "semantics", you were wrong.

Pmmason wins by a landslide!  You're full of BS.

JT didn't feel it was fair for TP to get a suspension and not him.  The media would have ate it up.  Tattoo gate was the fall of Jim Tressel....that is what made it SUCH a big story.  JT didn't do ANYTHING wrong on the NFL level.   NFL has never punished someone for a NCAA situation before or since.  TP "played" the supplemental draft.  5 games was too harsh...you get 4 for failing drug test.

Plus after TP left tOSU.  The NCAA saw check from Bobby D and TP (knowing he was busted 2x and season long suspension likely) didn't talk.  He left.  So he got a 5 year program ban.  TP never said ONE bad word about tOSU before or since.  Actually he said several times he messed up and he was sorry.  (QB show with Gruden was one).

tOSU and NCAA looked into the Bobby stuff and this led to bowl ban....not the tattoo stuff.  Read the report...try google or bing.

TP has moved on and is saying all the right things about his NFL future.

A true Buckeye would know these things...

pmmason wrote: "You and pmmason are f_ing dreaming if you think Goodell wasn't behind Jim Tressel getting suspended."

LOL You still don't get it. You flat out said that Goddell suspended JT because of PR and players complaints. That did not happen. You didn't say he had something to do with Colts suspending him, you said he did it himself. Now, either admit you made that sh!t up or move on.

HAWAIIANBUCKEYE wrote:

pmmason wrote: Sorry, you are the idiot who got busted for posting BS. There is no argument about that. You said Goddell suspended JT bowing to player protest and a PR nightmare. That never happened. No matter how much you try to deflect and blame it in "semantics", you were wrong.

BOOM goes the dynamite!

pmmason wrote: "You and pmmason are f_ing dreaming if you think Goodell wasn't behind Jim Tressel getting suspended."

LOL You still don't get it. You flat out said that Goddell suspended JT because of PR and players complaints. That did not happen. You didn't say he had something to do with Colts suspending him, you said he did it himself. Now, either admit you made that sh!t up or move on.

OleLardbelly wrote: there are no facts to support your criticism of Pryor...He traded his own property for tattoos & he was nailed for speeding..period

truebuckeye99 wrote:

pmmason wrote: "You and pmmason are f_ing dreaming if you think Goodell wasn't behind Jim Tressel getting suspended."

LOL You still don't get it. You flat out said that Goddell suspended JT because of PR and players complaints. That did not happen. You didn't say he had something to do with Colts suspending him, you said he did it himself. Now, either admit you made that sh!t up or move on.

The players union bitched about Goodell overstepping his authority by suspending Pryor due to college disgressions. Goodell also ruled that Pryor tried to usurp the rules regarding eligibility into the Supplemental Draft. If you are such an idiot to believe the Colts and Tressel were being noble without any influence from Goodell on being suspended for the first five games, you are an even bigger jughead than we gave you credit for. You are wrong and not man enough to admit it. Surprise! (hardly)