All 3 are better than Braxton right now. More polished passers. Hopefully that will change...

We better get used to Archie not being the only 2 time heisman winner.  Manziel may win more then 2.  I hope he doesn't get much better because he is a bad dude right now.

Of the three, I really like Bridgewaters' game the best. I would feel very comfortable with him being able to read the defense, deliver to right guy at the right time and get into the right play. Braxton and Johnny still have some development to do in that regards.

You are right 2 times EARLY in the season.

mtpbuck wrote: Please!  The ND qb had to be pulled from a game twice this year so that Rees could rescue their season.  Braxton is no Aaron Rodgers at this point, but his passing is improving.  I think he turns the corner next year and lights it up.

BuckBundyRocks wrote:

The other 2 are MUCH better at throwing the ball. IMO ND's QB is a better passer than Miller.

The real question with the amount of years we have left with these young guns when is the first head to head matchup between any of them? I'd assume it would have to be a bowl game. Anyone know if either of the other three will just so happen face each other in regular season? ORE, A&M, LOUISVILLE OOC schedules?

BuckinDayton wrote:

truebuckeye99 wrote:

hellbound911 wrote: I don't see how anyone could say otherwise at this point. I don't see a CFB player at the AB spot playing better this year.

macdadbama wrote: Sorry, manziel is better.

No joke. This board is extremely embarrassing sometimes.

Yes, because 1 person made a pot-stirring thread. Your use of weird generalizations to knock this board is pretty transparent.

Yes and because this is the first time this topic has been broached and the first and only poster to make this observation the post was completely unfair.

Delreek wrote: We better get used to Archie not being the only 2 time heisman winner.  Manziel may win more then 2.  I hope he doesn't get much better because he is a bad dude right now.

I agree this guy's good. Looking at Tim Tebow's yearly numbers from his sophomore to his senior seasons at Florida, you would have thought that guy would have won more than a single Heisman. However, unless Clowney or someone else steps up and is outstanding while his team vyes for a NC, Manziel definitely will be considered he favored next season too.

hahaha. O my god shut up you are so stupid. Braxton couldnt hold Johnny Footballs jock strap. let me know when Braxton has 516 total yards in a game.

AlphonsoSmith wrote: hahaha. O my god shut up you are so stupid. Braxton couldnt hold Johnny Footballs jock strap. let me know when Braxton has 516 total yards in a game.

You know how many Games that Cam Newton had with 516 Yards of Total Offense? 0

You know how many Games that Vince Young had with 516 Yards of Total Offense? 0

Tebow had 1 vs. Cincinnati.

Case Keenum had 2, including 542 Yards of Total Offense vs. Penn State.

Manziel had 3 this season.

Manziel is a great, great player. He also hit the jackpot when Sumlin was hired.

The Ducks have a home & home with the Spartans starting in 2014, but no Aggies or Louisville barring a BCS matchup next year.

Miller's passing is going to get better; I have no reason not to believe that, but as of right now, his running skills are ahead of his passing skills.

Delreek wrote: We better get used to Archie not being the only 2 time heisman winner.  Manziel may win more then 2.  I hope he doesn't get much better because he is a bad dude right now.

And now we've gone to the other extreme. Manziel will have his chances, but I'm not about to crown him the greatest player ever after one year. I'm very interested to see how he does after teams have an off season to prepare against him and he loses some of his best supporting players.

Many people were sure that Tebow would win 2-3 Heismans and he didn't. Now Manziel is certainly a different player than Tebow, but I think that it's going to be much harder than some think.

Other than Manziel, I think Braxton has much more upside than the other two.  Bridgewater has great footwork and threw the ball extremely well in the bowl game.  He's just more polised than Braxton right now.  Braxton will get there though.  Manziel is playing a different game than every one else right now.

Hokie401k wrote: Other than Manziel, I think Braxton has much more upside than the other two.  Bridgewater has great footwork and threw the ball extremely well in the bowl game.  He's just more polised than Braxton right now.  Braxton will get there though.  Manziel is playing a different game than every one else right now.

It's certainly not guaranteed Miller becomes a passer on Bridgewater's level. Just like there's no guarantee that if all our basketball players practice a little harder, they'll all shoot like Steve Kerr. Passing is a talent. Some guys like Pryor never get good at it. Not that you can't win a NC without an NFL caliber QB. Almost no NC winner had an NFL caliber QB. In fact the 2010 NC winner had the only QB who looks like an NFL caliber starting QB in the BCS era.

Bottom line, manziel had a great year.

However, they lose both starting tackles to the draft and both are projected 1-2 round picks. They also don't play two D1-AA schools next year to help pad his stats. On second thought, playing Rice, Sam Houston State, New Mexico, and SMU OOC and no Florida, USC, or Georgia inconference may just be enough...

IMHO, he won't win again next season.
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We better get used to Archie not being the only 2 time heisman winner.  Manziel may win more then 2.  I hope he doesn't get much better because he is a bad dude right now.

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Of course there is no guaruntee.  But I like his chances.  We are not talking about someone like Pryor who could never throw the ball worth a lick.  Braxton has a decent ability to throw the ball right now and he'll be getting excellent coaching from Meyer and Hermann over the next 2 years.  Look at Bridgewater the way he moves his feet and holds the ball.  That's not natural, that's coaching.  Braxton may never be Drew Brees, but with work I'm hoping he can throw as well as Troy Smith. Couple that with his ability to run and he could be off the charts good.......but probably not as good as Manziel.

1926Buckeyes wrote:

Delreek wrote: We better get used to Archie not being the only 2 time heisman winner.  Manziel may win more then 2.  I hope he doesn't get much better because he is a bad dude right now.

And now we've gone to the other extreme. Manziel will have his chances, but I'm not about to crown him the greatest player ever after one year. I'm very interested to see how he does after teams have an off season to prepare against him and he loses some of his best supporting players.

Many people were sure that Tebow would win 2-3 Heismans and he didn't. Now Manziel is certainly a different player than Tebow, but I think that it's going to be much harder than some think.

Not an extreme at all, first of all I hope he doesn't win any more.  the problem is I don't think he will be coveted by the pros at all so he will stay all 4 years.  He is a one time winner with 3 years to go and 1 in which he will be the favorite.  I am  not predicting or hoping he will, it just seems like his chances are favorable to do so.

Miller is more athletic, has a stronger arm, and has better size.....Until he has a more accurate ball, or improve his decision making, he is on the bottom of that list IMO.  Like most people have said, he does have the potential to be something great and win a Heisman.

Braxton is easily the best athlete among them, but I don't know about best QB. Bridgewater a better NFL prospect. Manziel had ridiculous numbers & Mariotta's offense put up ridiculous numbers.

Still prefer to Brax to all of them.

truebuckeye99 wrote:

SCUMbuster wrote:

ecnirp wrote: It really upsets me that Braxton didnt get his chance to shine this bowl season. 

I watched Bridgewater play well against a dead Florida team. I saw Mariotta play average vs. an above average Kansas State team. 

Johnny Football was great tonight!! But did you see how he was barely touched out there? He could sit in the pocket all day! Those long runs would have been touchdowns if it were Braxton! 

He has two high 1st round LT's and more experienced WR group than Braxton.

As a talent Braxton is superior than those guys.

All three of the guys you mentioned are currently better passers than Braxton, that's it. As someone pointed out, Miller's ceiling is higher than any of these guys and once his passing mechanics and decision making are sorted out, the sky's the limit.

Why is a sophomore's ceiling higher than a freshman's? And you are just assuming that Miller is going to "figure it out" as a passer. He still looks like a deer in headlights when a blitz is coming and is a slow decision maker. He's had almost two full seasons under center but it was painfully obvious when Michigan blitzed (in the last game of his second season) that Braxton didn't react at all. Just because Braxton can run fast and, with no pressure and all the time, can throw the ball a long distance that he is going to be an elite quarterback.

All the guys you mentioned came from passing offenses in high school and have had more time spent on the passing game. Braxton's high school career was largely predicated on his ridiculous athleticism and will to win...passing was an afterthought, anyone who watched Wayne High will tell you that. Listen to Meyer himself say that "Last year, he was an athlete taking a snap; this year, he's an athlete learning to be a quarterback." His improvement from '11 to '12 was immense and yet he has a long ways to go, which is why I said his ceiling is the highest. Don't be surprised if you see 2-3 more years of Manziel with roughly the same production, which would still be amazing. Braxton's got a lot more upside at this juncture, even if he is a year ahead. All the skills and the will are there, in time we will see.

1926Buckeyes wrote:

Delreek wrote: We better get used to Archie not being the only 2 time heisman winner.  Manziel may win more then 2.  I hope he doesn't get much better because he is a bad dude right now.

And now we've gone to the other extreme. Manziel will have his chances, but I'm not about to crown him the greatest player ever after one year. I'm very interested to see how he does after teams have an off season to prepare against him and he loses some of his best supporting players.

Many people were sure that Tebow would win 2-3 Heismans and he didn't. Now Manziel is certainly a different player than Tebow, but I think that it's going to be much harder than some think.

+1.  I have to wonder how much A&M caught lightning in a bottle this year.  J-Football will continue to improve his game, but he might have a harder time replicating his success from this year.  A&M is bringing on hundreds of new guys via recruiting this year which might help, but I don't know if they have the depth to reload - at least not very quickly.  They also have to get a new offensive coordinator for next season, which could make things trickier for them.

As for Braxton, it seems like he's been 'adjusting' to things ever since he started seeing the field last year.  Playing as a true frosh, running for his life with last year's crappy team and taking a lot of hits, the new regime under Meyer, continuing to run a lot and then 'trying' to run less....  I think we'll see him settle down and improve his decision-making next season - then we'll get to see how good he really is.  If he improves as a passer, too, then it could be something extra-special.