He and the other Mich recruits were seen crying-on-the-sideline

You mean like going to an opposing fanbase website and posting sophomoric statements there?  

Sorry if the truth hurts.  Maybe not as much as an 8-5 record when your "non-bowl game" rival just went 12-0 and kicked your ass in the head-to-head meeting, but it probably still stings.

marlew45 wrote:

wynnosu wrote: I didn't follow his recruitment, but according to his profile on Scout, his other offers were from: Bowling Green, Central MI, Cincy, MSU, Syracuse, and Toledo.  Didn't see any of the  "big boys" in there.

I did check his HS schedule and during his senior year his team lost four games by scores of 49-13 (St. Ignatius), 28-0 (Brother Rice, MI), 31-30 (Catholic Central, MI), and 35-0 (St. Mary Prep, MI).

So his HS team went 5-4 in Michigan and the only Ohio school they played annihilated them.  As a previous poster noted, he went 9of 20 for 104 yards, 2 picks, no TDs and also "rushed" for -27 yards.

This warrants five stars?  WTF???  Compare his stats and competition to, oh say, Braxton Miller.  Can't wait until he's calling signals up there... if he ever gets the opportunity at all.

PS:  I did see he apparently punted for his team as well.  Against Ignatius, he had five punts for a 34.2 average.  WOW!!!  Sounds like he can do it all!

so he's a 5 star qb,with mostly mac offers??

bigger school not wasting time and resources to get him...He has been all Blue.  Now Braxton had a big offer list even though he was all Buckeye but I guess teams felt they would try anyway!

Facts..Shane didn't get Elite invite from Dallas...and he cried.  Won QB mvp and got elite 11 invite.  Did ok in day 1 Elite invite..then faded...accuracy trouble.  Grid Iron Kings played fairly well and got his team to the finals...then accuracy troubles hit.  In the finals he stunk.  So at time he show a great arm.  Now accuracy and mobility are big concerns going to the next level from what I have seen and read.

Craig Krenzel.

Don't mean to be argumentative, but if other big time coaches like Meyer and Saban thought he was worth it, they would still pursue him.  Great coaches and programs will almost always go after guys they really want, ala Urban last year with Dodson, Decker, and Pittman.

YTownPenguin wrote: Craig Krenzel.

Had Santonio Holmes, Michael Jenkins, and Chris Gamble.

haha....4 pages on your recruiting board and 2 pages here!!!!!!

While I like Krenzel and will always be appreciative of how much he contributed to that 2002 team, IMO Scott McMullen would have produced better results the next near.  Krenzel fell off his senior year and just seemed to lack the confidence he had his junior year.  And, again, coming out of high school, McMullen was the better QB and, IMO, could have been so in college if given the chance.

As we all know, Tressel was a great man and coach but his one flaw was loyalty to a fault... to people like Pryor, Bollman, Gene Smith, and Krenzel.  Tressel would never cut people loose, even if doing so might have been better for everyone in the long run.

AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Accuracy / Consistency

Decision-making

Have fun with that.

Bad mechanics.
Does not know how to look and throw to his right.
Slow, lacks foot speed and lateral foot speed. Statue.
A few more.

Taribor wrote:

AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Accuracy / Consistency

Decision-making

Have fun with that.

wynnosu wrote: While I like Krenzel and will always be appreciative of how much he contributed to that 2002 team, IMO Scott McMullen would have produced better results the next near.  Krenzel fell off his senior year and just seemed to lack the confidence he had his junior year.  And, again, coming out of high school, McMullen was the better QB and, IMO, could have been so in college if given the chance.

As we all know, Tressel was a great man and coach but his one flaw was loyalty to a fault... to people like Pryor, Bollman, Gene Smith, and Krenzel.  Tressel would never cut people loose, even if doing so might have been better for everyone in the long run.

I would venture to say Krenzel struggled due to losing Jenkins and MoC, his 2 biggest weapons. Also if McMullen was so much better he would've been the starter, the fact is he couldn't beat out Krenzel and for that we got 1 national championship. McMullen played weak competition coming out of Granville to go along with playing in a pass happy offense. As I write this I sort of laugh knowing I am arguing about players from 10 years ago

wynnosu wrote: While I like Krenzel and will always be appreciative of how much he contributed to that 2002 team, IMO Scott McMullen would have produced better results the next near.  Krenzel fell off his senior year and just seemed to lack the confidence he had his junior year.  And, again, coming out of high school, McMullen was the better QB and, IMO, could have been so in college if given the chance.

As we all know, Tressel was a great man and coach but his one flaw was loyalty to a fault... to people like Pryor, Bollman, Gene Smith, and Krenzel.  Tressel would never cut people loose, even if doing so might have been better for everyone in the long run.

I always wondered why Tressel never cut Gene Smith loose.

There's nothing to suggest that McMullen should have played over Krenzel.

BuckinDayton wrote:

wynnosu wrote: While I like Krenzel and will always be appreciative of how much he contributed to that 2002 team, IMO Scott McMullen would have produced better results the next near.  Krenzel fell off his senior year and just seemed to lack the confidence he had his junior year.  And, again, coming out of high school, McMullen was the better QB and, IMO, could have been so in college if given the chance.

As we all know, Tressel was a great man and coach but his one flaw was loyalty to a fault... to people like Pryor, Bollman, Gene Smith, and Krenzel.  Tressel would never cut people loose, even if doing so might have been better for everyone in the long run.

I always wondered why Tressel never cut Gene Smith loose.

There's nothing to suggest that McMullen should have played over Krenzel.

In response to both posts... Krenzel hurt himself early in 2003 and was never the same.  One needs to add to that that Bollman's blocking scheme was full of holes (MoC hid a lot of that), but teams were stuffing the run and OSU's offense was stagnant.  Krenzel had a bad throwing motion in 03 and missed a lot of receivers who were open.  WHen he finally re-injured his arm/shoulder and had to miss games, McMullen came in and the offense started gelling a bit.  It got better each week and McMullen just seemed sharper.  One of the worst "coaching" decisions JT made was to re-install Krenzel for the first time at Madison vs Wisconsin.  Krenzel was rusty, his throwing motion was awful, and the offense was dead int he water.  I always wished (even before that game) that JT would save Krenzel and bring him back at home the following week instead.  I feel McMullen was the better QB.  In the UM game that year, McMullen went in again and started the OSU comeback, then JT put Krenzel in and Krenzel threw an INT or fumbled and seemed to kill the momentum again. 

I fully understand loyalty to your starting QB who led you to an NC, so it is truly harsh to really complain, but in those circumstances, McMullen would have been the better choice.  The 03 Krenzel was NOT the 02 Krenzel, MoC's absence notwithstanding.

Grant87 wrote: bigger school not wasting time and resources to get him...He has been all Blue.  Now Braxton had a big offer list even though he was all Buckeye but I guess teams felt they would try anyway!

Facts..Shane didn't get Elite invite from Dallas...and he cried.  Won QB mvp and got elite 11 invite.  Did ok in day 1 Elite invite..then faded...accuracy trouble.  Grid Iron Kings played fairly well and got his team to the finals...then accuracy troubles hit.  In the finals he stunk.  So at time he show a great arm.  Now accuracy and mobility are big concerns going to the next level from what I have seen and read.

Unfortunately you contradict your own reasoning.  No idea how this kid will fare...

Reminds me of VInny Testerverde.  He was all-world at Miami, Heisman and high-draft choice.  Yet, when you looked closely, he threw a TON of INTs and had bad days against quality opponents in every game, win or lose.  I always felt that was a sign he was not going to be an elite NFL QB.  Yes, I know he threw for a ton of yards and had some moments...  he was never feared nor considered elite.

Now, this kid has all kinds of stats, but in games against equal or superior talent, he looks poor.  At UM, maybe he gets surrounded by a lot of talent and looks good... or maybe bombs.  Guys like MIller looked good on the big stage against the equal comp.

Krenzel's genius was he didn't get rattled, and he didn't make mistakes, knew the offense. he played within himself and knew his limitations. that sounds simple but that composure is VERY difficult.

Shane had mono his senior year, IIRC==I'm not sure he played the whole year.

He's also playing left handed just to get better with it. He's really right handed and will throw with his right in college.

Taribor wrote:

AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Accuracy / Consistency

Decision-making

Have fun with that.

You know the guy who won the Heisman this year had the same suggestions.

So funny if kid had pick tosu he would have walked on water.

and if you think Morris is going to win the Heisman next year. then you need to seek profesional help

michigantown wrote:

Taribor wrote:

AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Accuracy / Consistency

Decision-making

Have fun with that.

You know the guy who won the Heisman this year had the same suggestions.