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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:06 AM
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It's actually fun. The real death blows, losses to App State, followed by Oregon hammering them the following week, and both on their home field. Losing to a 2 win Toledo that fired their coach that same season, more bad pub. They are not able to pull elite kids like they used to in bigger numbers like they did a few years ago, especially the skilled athletes types. Most seasons they have weeks unranked, and 3 out of the 4 first preseason 2013 rankings have them unranked, the one has them at #24. Sit back and enjoy, OSU does not need Michigan to be elite to prosper, just win all your games, OOC big time games coming up, and win the Big Ten title, everything else will work itself out. number36 wrote: Michigan has been in a downward spiral for 10+ years since the end of the Lloyd Carr era. How many times have they lost 2 games in a row to end the season? A bunch. They lose to OSU 8 out of 10 times, and lose the bowl game at least half the time. That's bad....and it's what OSU experienced during John Cooper era, however, Coop had exciting big time teams that consistently finished in the top 10. Meetchicken struggles to finish in the top 20 these days.....and a top 10 ranking at the end of the season is reason for a raucous celebration.
It's sad and pathetic to watch Meetchicken slide into the abyss. Install BS deflectors for GBW posters.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:01 AM
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scarlet71 wrote:
MichiganMan68 wrote:
HokeIsFat wrote: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=2019& t=11128501
WTF this guy has a very disappointing season and they grade his performance an A? If this was Ohio State we would grade him a C at best. Like Krenzel says when we stop demanding excellence we become wisconsin. Maybe michigan has already become wisconsin.
What Urban did was an A. Hoke is a C (not just in cup size). You guys in are in for a rude awakening on a November 2013 day in Ann Arbor. Could be, but it won't have anything to do with the ann arbor community college football team, that's for sure. 
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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:47 AM
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I believe that the UM recruiting class is vastly overrated this year.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:05 AM
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If only we could build a stud O line with some bruising running backs.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:18 PM
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If only we could build a stud O line with some bruising running backs.
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If thar is all it took to be a great team there would be a lot more great teams. I only know of rb you have in this class or on the team that could be bruising and OSU already has 3 or 4 of them on the team depending on how Ball plays after a RS year.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:51 PM
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I find it sad when fans of other teams act like we had no idea that we could not go to a bowl game this year. We knew 12 -0 was the best we could do and want us to be sad because we went 12-0. --------------------------------------------- --- SurfOhio wrote: since i'm being quoted, here was my response a few pages back... SurfOhio wrote: yeah , the only bowl that matters is the NC game, possibly the rose bowl... everything else is for advertising. Sadly you guys played and lost your bowl, not surprising, but hey, there's always next year.
MaizeFlu wrote: But no bowl game. We can pretend you played in a BCS bowl game though :-)
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MichiganMan68 wrote:
HokeIsFat wrote: mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=2019& t=11128501
WTF this guy has a very disappointing season and they grade his performance an A? If this was Ohio State we would grade him a C at best. Like Krenzel says when we stop demanding excellence we become wisconsin. Maybe michigan has already become wisconsin.
What Urban did was an A. Hoke is a C (not just in cup size). You guys in are in for a rude awakening on a November day in Ann Arbor. there's always next year for the ttun fans. I'm a bengals fan so I relate, hey we made the playoffs at least.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:09 PM
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unizan wrote:
I find it sad when fans of other teams act like we had no idea that we could not go to a bowl game this year. We knew 12 -0 was the best we could do and want us to be sad because we went 12-0.
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Haha I know right? I was over the bowl ban before the season even started. Big Ten fans act like it was such a downer that we couldn't go to a bowl when most of us didn't even care anymore. 12-0 is all that needs to be stated cause it's already done and over with |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:53 PM
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Umm...(some) of you guys realize that the OP of that thread was looking to grade Hoke's first TWO years in Ann Arbor and not just this last one right?
So...the "A" grades that you are ripping on were not given just for 2012....they were for the 2 years combined..
I feel like I shouldn't have to point out something that was pretty obvious...
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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:08 PM
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Hoke regressed in year 2 and underachieved. He should not be given an A for the combined two seasons. I don't think you really needed to point that out to anyone. If the records were reversed then I could understand that argument.
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Umm...(some) of you guys realize that the OP of that thread was looking to grade Hoke's first TWO years in Ann Arbor and not just this last one right?
So...the "A" grades that you are ripping on were not given just for 2012....they were for the 2 years combined..
I feel like I shouldn't have to point out something that was pretty obvious...
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Last edited 1/20/2013 10:09 PM by JohnCarrollBuckeye
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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:47 AM
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Going through this thread was enjoyable to me. I love reading everyone's posts and when a scUM fan says something stupid they get BURNT! I appreciate the few good laughs and all the great posts. GO BUCKS!!
“There's nOthing that cleanses your soul like getting the Hell kIcked Out of you.”
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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:50 AM
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SonofJorEl wrote: Umm...(some) of you guys realize that the OP of that thread was looking to grade Hoke's first TWO years in Ann Arbor and not just this last one right?
So...the "A" grades that you are ripping on were not given just for 2012....they were for the 2 years combined..
I feel like I shouldn't have to point out something that was pretty obvious... Feel free to argue all you want, but Michigan didn't deserve a BCS bid last year (weak schedule, avoided PSU and Wisconsin, lost to MSU, didn't win their division), and played another team that wasn't BCS-worthy for their bowl game (VT). This past season, Michigan beat 1 team with a winning record. Terrible, and as soon as Meyer builds a big lead in the series vs. Hoke, Hoke will be shown the door. |
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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:17 AM
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SonofJorEl wrote: Umm...(some) of you guys realize that the OP of that thread was looking to grade Hoke's first TWO years in Ann Arbor and not just this last one right?
So...the "A" grades that you are ripping on were not given just for 2012....they were for the 2 years combined..
I feel like I shouldn't have to point out something that was pretty obvious... How can you give a team an A after an 8-5 season in year 2 of the coach, Michigan was a preseason top 10 team and finishes 8-5 not sure how you can be proud of that and give your coaching staff an all around A. |
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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:22 AM
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SonofJorEl wrote: Umm...(some) of you guys realize that the OP of that thread was looking to grade Hoke's first TWO years in Ann Arbor and not just this last one right?
So...the "A" grades that you are ripping on were not given just for 2012....they were for the 2 years combined..
I feel like I shouldn't have to point out something that was pretty obvious... lol still far from an A performance turd.  No joke No joke.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:01 PM
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scarlet71 wrote:
Would you give Michigans 2012 season an A- or B+?
Remember their record was 8-5 with 1 win over a team with a winning record
The above link will take you to the Brilliant Minds, that are debating A- or B+ I don't think Michigan was an A- or B+ in 2012, even though the grade was for Hoke's first two seasons. I think based on the train wreck that Michigan was when Hoke and staff arrived, it's fair to give them a B, with 2012 being a little bit of a disappointment. That being said, if you talk about them having only 1 win against a team with a winning record, it's only fair to look at the teams they lost to as well. Two of the losses came against National Champion and runner up, as well as the 3rd ranked, undefeated Buckeyes. So they played 1-2-3(even though Oregon jumped ND, I still consider ND 2 as they were in the national championship. I understand that can be argued). The record of the teams they lost to was 58-8. The worst loss was to Nebraska, but they lost their starting QB at the half. I'll be the first to admit that was a massive coaching failure for having no backup plan and Al Borges looks like an idiot for that alone, let alone his play calling this year. Remove that game and the opposition record was 48-4. Pretty tough schedule. So no, Michigan shouldn't grade out at an A, but not a C either. The program needed to come a long way from the end of the Carr era and then the RR era, but it appears to be on the right track. It's fair to say that they're still behind OSU, but recruiting looks promising. As for the OP, to say any team will "NEVER" be great, seems a bit much. Any program with the facilities and resources that are in place in AA has a chance to be an elite program. It's not a certainty, but it is a possibility. "The goal here is a Big Ten Championship always and forever."
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Posted: 1/21/2013 3:01 PM
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Post count score card this thread: HokeIsfat 4
Brutus79 5
Scartlet71 20
Scarlet71 is clearly the winner at this point, especially with all those special graphics. Can anyone catch him? |
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Posted: 1/21/2013 3:29 PM
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24to12 wrote: Post count score card this thread: HokeIsfat 4
Brutus79 5
Scartlet71 20
Scarlet71 is clearly the winner at this point, especially with all those special graphics. Can anyone catch him? 
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Posted: 1/21/2013 5:09 PM
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I don't get the look who they lost to statement. You are saying they lost to good teams so they are good? They beat one team with a winning record. So they lose to good teams and beat bad teams. To me that is an average team they win when they should and lose when they should. I would also say that having lost 5 games at OSU or Michigan is a grade of D at best. I would say last year was an A so I would go with a C to C pulse so far for Hoke over his first two years --------------------------------------------- --- superman2424 wrote: scarlet71 wrote:
Would you give Michigans 2012 season an A- or B+?
Remember their record was 8-5 with 1 win over a team with a winning record
The above link will take you to the Brilliant Minds, that are debating A- or B+ I don't think Michigan was an A- or B+ in 2012, even though the grade was for Hoke's first two seasons. I think based on the train wreck that Michigan was when Hoke and staff arrived, it's fair to give them a B, with 2012 being a little bit of a disappointment. That being said, if you talk about them having only 1 win against a team with a winning record, it's only fair to look at the teams they lost to as well. Two of the losses came against National Champion and runner up, as well as the 3rd ranked, undefeated Buckeyes. So they played 1-2-3(even though Oregon jumped ND, I still consider ND 2 as they were in the national championship. I understand that can be argued). The record of the teams they lost to was 58-8. The worst loss was to Nebraska, but they lost their starting QB at the half. I'll be the first to admit that was a massive coaching failure for having no backup plan and Al Borges looks like an idiot for that alone, let alone his play calling this year. Remove that game and the opposition record was 48-4. Pretty tough schedule. So no, Michigan shouldn't grade out at an A, but not a C either. The program needed to come a long way from the end of the Carr era and then the RR era, but it appears to be on the right track. It's fair to say that they're still behind OSU, but recruiting looks promising. As for the OP, to say any team will "NEVER" be great, seems a bit much. Any program with the facilities and resources that are in place in AA has a chance to be an elite program. It's not a certainty, but it is a possibility. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 1/21/2013 5:15 PM
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MM, are you predicting bad weather? (its all I can think of)  MichiganMan68 wrote:
You guys in are in for a rude awakening on a November 2013 day in Ann Arbor.
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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:51 PM
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http://espn.go.com/college-foo...ear/2011/week/2 So why were they preseason #16/18 and #15 in week 2 of the rankings? asdodge wrote: No, only people with brains and football knowledge are buying it. Don't speak for the rest of humanity- you aren't qualified.
WalkerNCH wrote: OSU went 11-1 in 2010. Don't shovel that worst team ever crap in 2011.......nobody is buying it.
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MichiganMan68 wrote: .If Michigan is irrevelant, why are Ohio recruits picking Michigan over OSU? Let's see, we landed Kyle Kalis, Ben Gedeon, Dymonte Thomas, Michael McCray--all guys that Meyer wanted.
First of all, there are kids in Ohio who grow up UM fans for various reasons... most mental. They are going to go to UM if given half an opportunity. So, yes OSU may recruit them and lose to UM. It is not hurting OSU's recruiting. What OSU may "lose" to UM in these cases, Urban is going to pick up elsewhere in Ohio and nationally, where UM is going to struggle to recruit.
Secondly, UM has always been loaded with Ohio guys. The Michigan HIgh School football programs just do not put out the athletes, despite the population. Even with great Ohio players like Woodson and Howard going to UM, it took a guy not from Ohio to turn the rivalry into a one-sided affair during the 90's- a guy named Cooper. Once Ohio guys got put back in place (Tressel, Meyer... like Hayes, Brown, etc) OSU has held the upper handin the post ww1 era.
It is not a sign that Michigan is back and relevant. Heck, early in JT's career, UM picked up a lot of studs... and JT's top players proved to be less-touted recruits like A. J. Hawk who turned into superstars. Troy Smith was an afterthought and went 3-0 as a starter vs UM, winning 2 of those games single-handedly it seemed.
It is not just talent and "recruits." Most folks here can give lists of teams over the years with highly ranked recruiting classes who underwhelmed and under-performed.
It's your system, your coaching, and your understanding of the situation. Hoke is 1-1 against OSU... which is better than RR and even Carr's % NOW. Yet, he needed a home field and and a late turnover to beat the worst OSU team since 1987... maybe the most incompentent team in the since the early 60's or earlier... by 6 points in the last couple minutes. This year's game was close, too. But it was an 11 point turnaround with virtually the same players on both sides fromt he previous year and OSU in its 1st year of a new regime, and UM in its 2nd- when things should have been "easier" or at least stabler.
Now, you have big recruiting classes (beating OSU for the first time in a decade and OSU on a bowl ban may have helped)... I guarantee OSU is not weeping over any of the guys you are bragging about. The game may be the tight slugfests we were used to under Bruce and Hayes, and even Tressel until the end of the Carr and the RR era... or, Meyer is going to out-coach, out-speed, and out think you guys. Here's a clue... this year... you had the mo, the push, your big-play guys made some big plays... then OSU shut you done and OSU won. OSU adjusted, UM couldn't.
Same thing vs. South Carolina.
Is your incoming talent going to suddenly make the play-calling better? The situations smarter?
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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:57 PM
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WalkerNCH wrote:http://espn.go.com/college-foo...ear/2011/week/2 So why were they preseason #16/18 and #15 in week 2 of the rankings  |
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