Here's the thing with Hoke/Michigan. I think most people feel that Mattison is the reason for the "turnaround" of the program. Whether that's true, I have no idea. But I don't think people view Hoke as a sure thing to..

A. Get Michigan back to their historical best.
B. Keep them there.

Dave Brandon is a very hands on and demanding athletic director. He expects Michigan to compete regularly for championships in both football and basketball and he has stated he will not settle for less. This is a completely different attitude than Bill Martin, who was in charge for most of the previous decade, and was a bean counter who was more concerned about profits than wins.

Well Brandon better look in the mirror, he ain't getting no national titles in his lifetime.
Pizza boy got mocked by his past company a year ago in mods, because they had to redo his flawed strategy to reinvent themselves.
Most schools aspire to hire Pizza CEO's as AD's, not.
Brandon's gay scarfs are so cute, what he expects and what he will not see is the big difference.

abbysdad wrote: Dave Brandon is a very hands on and demanding athletic director. He expects Michigan to compete regularly for championships in both football and basketball and he has stated he will not settle for less. This is a completely different attitude than Bill Martin, who was in charge for most of the previous decade, and was a bean counter who was more concerned about profits than wins.

Gentleman's wager?

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HokeIsFat wrote: mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=2019& t=11128501


WTF this guy has a very disappointing season and they grade his performance an A? If this was Ohio State we would grade him a C at best. Like Krenzel says when we stop demanding excellence we become wisconsin. Maybe michigan has already become wisconsin.


What Urban did was an A. Hoke is a C (not just in cup size).

You guys in are in for a rude awakening on a November 2013 day in Ann Arbor.

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asdodge wrote: I don't think anyone will claim Hoke inherited a great team.  However, he is not the super-genius UM fans are making him out to be and that the inrush of talent for a couple of recruiting classes while OSU was in trouble is going to make UM the class or even 2nd-best team in the conference. 

Hoke has been erratic at his previous stops... good seasons, bad seasons.  JT was a proven winner at YSU.  Meyer was a winner at all his stops.   

Like it or not, Hoke was put in a bit of a hole by the former offensive structure. I don't think he's handled it fantastically, but with Denard at the helm, there wasn't a ton to do but wait it out. The problem is he didn't get a top notch QB last year that would be able to step in either this year or next and start using an offense he planned to use.

This wouldn't be as big of a problem if they had a great RB coming in or some big WRs that could help out, but they don't. Michigan won't really be back until they can find a good QB and commit to a style on offense.

True. I wouldn't be particularly hopeful about their prospects for the next 2-4 years. I think they've dug themselves a hole between the problems at QB and skill positions.

And just a bunch of motor mouths.  And they will all be 0-4 just like little Mikey the biggest motor mouth of all.  They will all be disappointed with their choice after four years but sometimes you have to live and learn.  By the way, how's that five star QB doing?  I hear he is magnificent in camps.  Maybe Michigan can have 12 camps next year instead of games.

MichiganMan68 wrote:

brutus79 wrote: Good for a laugh.
SOJ has always been the biggest joke.  Big fish in a brain dead pond at GBW.  Jis cute little picture with Barwis, and the country club is over and domination with it was good for non stop laughter.
I am in another thread over there.  Good, that means you get under this skin for posting the truth.
Hurts Michigan fans to admit with 1/2 a national title in almost 70 years and no Big Ten title since 2003, with embarrassing losses to Toledo and App State thrown in, they are irrelevant.
Travel and get off these boards, no fans bring up Michigan or Hoke as elite, except here because delusional culture dimiwts from GBW come over here.
OSU and Meyer, different.  College fans seen what OSU did with Tress, knew we hit a bump in the rock, and we got a rock star coach in Meyer.
Michigan is irrelevant as it comes.

If Michigan is irrevelant, why are Ohio recruits picking Michigan over OSU? Let's see, we landed Kyle Kalis, Ben Gedeon, Dymonte Thomas, Michael McCray--all guys that Meyer wanted.

The goofs over on the Michigan board are claiming this years class is the greatest ever.

Clearly Hoke has improved them. Just watching them, you can tell their D in particular is better coached.

That said, they benefitted greatly from the absence of John Simon in the OSU game (I don't care who Michigan was missing on O, Simon's absence was huge for OSU), and Lattimore etc from the South Carolina game.

At the risk of repeating myself, I will say again: if Tressel was still here, I wouldn't lose one second's sleep over the possibility of Hoke beating OSU.

And given Meyer's incredible record in rivalry games (something like 21-2)...
and the fact that he's from Ohio & worked at OSU before, he clearly "gets" The Game...
plus the fact that Tressel set the standard vs Michigan for all subsequent coaches to reach (unless Meyer tops it by going unbeaten)...
well, I feel confident with Urban heading up OSU in The Game. 

All that, plus the fact that anyone can say whatever they want about Hoke's recruiting, but Meyer is a phenomenal recruiter. I don't expect him to lose that war. A battle here or there, maybe. Overall? Not happening.

The jury is still out on Hoke. The jury is not out on Urban.

If Bo couldn't win a National title, Hoke won't even have a chance.

Shared title in 70 years? Michigan hasn't been great since WW2. Meyer will never lose to Hoke.

WalkerNCH wrote: OSU went 11-1 in 2010. Don't shovel that worst team ever crap in 2011.......nobody is buying it.

The 2010 team was coached by Jim Tressel, one of the absolute top coaches of the decade, someone who turned Michigan & the B10 into his personal playground, & with a veteran, dangerous QB & the offensive weapons of Posey & Herron all season.

The 2011 team had a rookie HC, true freshman QB most of the year, no Posey, no Herron...

Yep, the two teams were nearly identical.

They would've given Rich Rod an A if he'd of been a fish again man.

OSUVB wrote:

WalkerNCH wrote: OSU went 11-1 in 2010. Don't shovel that worst team ever crap in 2011.......nobody is buying it.

The 2010 team was coached by Jim Tressel, one of the absolute top coaches of the decade, someone who turned Michigan & the B10 into his personal playground, & with a veteran, dangerous QB & the offensive weapons of Posey & Herron all season.

The 2011 team had a rookie HC, true freshman QB most of the year, no Posey, no Herron...

Yep, the two teams were nearly identical.

Anyone not buying the 2011 Ohio State as the worst one are fans of teams that can't beat us because they want that win to feel truely vindicated. That was without a doubt the WORST Ohio State team I've ever seen. Even my Hurricanes buddy said they don't feel like they got a real win over us because of how bad that team was without a coach and players. Basically it's like playing someone in basketball and their' hands are tied behind their' back, you know you slid into a win. I mean we had Michigan State fans telling us they "kicked our ass and are gonna continue to do the same" with a 10-7 victory haha when a team that's won like once in the last 10 years tells you that with such a slim victory then that tells you how bad that 2011 team was. Like we told all those teams in 2011, be happy with beating that 6-7 team because we all know the reality and once we get a real coach things were going right back to normal which it immediately did in 2012...facts are facts

Nobody is buying that the 2011 Buckeyes weren't good?

What in the hell? For a MYRIAD of reasons that team was a complete mess. If that is the level of thinking that one has I would not be posting.

MichiganMan68 wrote:

HokeIsFat wrote: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=2019& t=11128501


WTF this guy has a very disappointing season and they grade his performance an A? If this was Ohio State we would grade him a C at best. Like Krenzel says when we stop demanding excellence we become wisconsin. Maybe michigan has already become wisconsin.


What Urban did was an A. Hoke is a C (not just in cup size).

You guys in are in for a rude awakening on a November 2013 day in Ann Arbor.

With an offense that returns almost every single starter from the best o in the B1G? Year 3 under Coach Urban Meyer? Me thinks it is you that will be in for a rude awakening on November 30, 2013.

This reminds me of the lyrics from a Doors song.."I've been down so godd@mn long that it looks like up to me." 

Even Harbaugh and Miles refused to coach at scUM! That's how bad the program is right now! These are two "Michigan Men" right?  Michigan = irrelevant

Greg Schiano turned down UofM to stay at Rutgers, thus the RR hire in desperation at the Toledo Airport, due to about 4/5 coaches saying no and the national media laughing at that time.
RR was a panic hire, Flounder Hoke was a safe hire.
Miles was never coming to Michigan either way, he knows he has it better at LSU;  more chances at national titles, more $$, better weather, most recruits in state or Texas, and LSU sells itself in the perceived toughest conference in the SEC.
Indiana hit a bigger home run with Crean from Marquette.

ccg960 wrote: Even Harbaugh and Miles refused to coach at scUM! That's how bad the program is right now! These are two "Michigan Men" right?  Michigan = irrelevant

If you've got the stomach for it, go over to S&M and see the threads about Urban. Those guys are literally quaking in their shoes.....especially after Urban just stole a 5 star CB from their own backyard.

yeah , the only bowl that matters is the NC game, possibly the rose bowl... everything else is for advertising. Sadly you guys played and lost your bowl, not surprising, but hey, there's always next year.

MaizeFlu wrote: But no bowl game. We can pretend you played in a BCS bowl game though :-)

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MichiganMan68 wrote:

HokeIsFat wrote: mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=2019& t=11128501


WTF this guy has a very disappointing season and they grade his performance an A? If this was Ohio State we would grade him a C at best. Like Krenzel says when we stop demanding excellence we become wisconsin. Maybe michigan has already become wisconsin.


What Urban did was an A. Hoke is a C (not just in cup size).

You guys in are in for a rude awakening on a November day in Ann Arbor.

there's always next year for the ttun fans. I'm a bengals fan so I relate, hey we made the playoffs at least.

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Michigan has been in a downward spiral for 10+ years since the end of the Lloyd Carr era. How many times have they lost 2 games in a row to end the season? A bunch. They lose to OSU 8 out of 10 times, and lose the bowl game at least half the time. That's bad....and it's what OSU experienced during John Cooper era, however, Coop had exciting big time teams that consistently finished in the top 10. Meetchicken struggles to finish in the top 20 these days.....and a top 10 ranking at the end of the season is reason for a raucous celebration.

It's sad and pathetic to watch Meetchicken slide into the abyss.