RJSimmons wrote: And if you think JoePa didn't care about money, why did he scurry in to Spanier's office ( his co-conspirator ) to get a 3 million dollar check, before he got canned?

LuvDaLions wrote:

PapaJoesBucket wrote:

LuvDaLions wrote:

PapaJoesBucket wrote:

LuvDaLions wrote: Care to list all these "prestigious benefits" that PSU received because of the cover up???

PapaJoesBucket wrote: cry all you want - Joe Paterno and his cronies covered up a long term child abuse scandal at your favorite football teams headquarters and reaped all kinds of prestigious benefits while doing so

and

your team is gonna stink for a long time

joe pat and his buddies recvd all kinds of benefits during the cover up period - sandoosky got 11-14 more years fo freedom to prowl - celebrity status has its benefits, most of which are not taxed

joepa got paid millions - spanier ( the so called family education expert) got paid millions

the university benefited immensely from the tv contracts, the publicity, and sales of apparel and other related memorabilia - and they sure got a hell of a lot of donations from people wanting seats and or suites - among other things

all said - the 'haul' could have added up to half a billion to a billion during the 14 years of willful blindness

It's thinking like this that makes you look really dumb. Do you really think for one second that if PSU had immediately reported a crime by an ex-employee that TV networks would stop showing games, people would stop buying apparel, people would stop donating money to the university, people would stop going to football games, etc.

ex employee that a few select powerful people knew was a creep WHO WAS STILL ALLOWED TO USE THE FACILITIES AND WHO STILL IN SOME WAYS PROMOTED THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM ? ? ? ?- yes, at any time long ago if this had been disclosed it would have had far less of an impact but an impact and that incudles financially and on the field - there would have been much to think about when choosing Penn State to play for - AND most parents would have thunk at least twice about sending their kid into the lions den had they known


If PSU had done the right thing in the first place it would have been a blip on the news for a week or so and that would have been it. Crimes happen, and if PSU would have reported it there would have been no backlash against the university what so ever. - dream on



You can't possibly be dumb enough to believe what you wrote can you? I stand corrected, I guess you can be!


hahahaha - you're the one still defending that ole coot JoePa and the 'unfair' fan punishment

LuvDaLions wrote:

CTBuckeyeFan wrote:

LuvDaLions wrote:

CTBuckeyeFan wrote: From your own article:

Erickson said if Penn State did not agree to the sanctions, a formal investigation would have begun and the university could have faced a multiyear death penalty, as well as "other sanctions," including a financial penalty far greater than $60 million.

Almost immediately after that conversation, intensive discussions between Penn State and the NCAA began in earnest, Erickson said. Penn State lobbied for the NCAA to take the death penalty off the table, and the NCAA described a series of other sanctions, both "punitive and corrective" in nature.


Thats not extortion bro, its a plea deal.

extortion [ɪkˈstɔːʃən]

n

the act of securing money, favours, etc. by intimidation or violence; blackmail

extortioner , extortionist n

If you don't think that using intimidation by means of threatening the use of death penalty is extortion, then I can' help you bro. The use of intimidation or threats is what makes it extortion. Plea deals don't involve intimidation.

Show me where the NCAA said they WOULD get it if they declined the deal. They said they COULD get it pending an extensive investigation.  If you think that is extortion, then so is every plea deal that is struck in the US judicial system.  PSU wasn't guaranteed the Death Penalty if they rejceted the NCAA's offer, they were guaranteed an investigation.  Thats right from Erickson's statement.

It was right there in my original post regarding the article: In a separate interview, NCAA president Mark Emmert confirmed that a core group of NCAA school presidents had agreed early last week that an appropriate punishment was no Penn State football for four years.

indynittany wrote:

RJSimmons wrote: And if you think JoePa didn't care about money, why did he scurry in to Spanier's office ( his co-conspirator ) to get a 3 million dollar check, before he got canned?

Scurry?  Seriously?

pcbuck wrote:

indynittany wrote:

RJSimmons wrote: And if you think JoePa didn't care about money, why did he scurry in to Spanier's office ( his co-conspirator ) to get a 3 million dollar check, before he got canned?

Scurry?  Seriously?

Seriously.  I'll use it for you in another sentence.  It was funny watching JoePa scurry across
the field while pooping his pants.

DaveyBoy wrote: dude......Penn State benefitted greatly from being labeled as a "special place" and doing it cleaner than other schools like Ohio State.  Your own recruiting letters specifically referred to PSU having never had sanctions against it..... They still have have never broken an NCAA rule, although they were sanctioned

well, after this cover-up and after some of the revelations from folks that had been in the administration it appears that Joe Paterno ran that university with an iron fist. If he "ran the university", how did he get fired???  He demanded special treatment for players in the areas of classes and discipline. He wanted to dicipline his players in his own way, which was usually worse that what the university would do, this is true, but he never demanded special treatment in the class, quite the opposite actually.

I'm sorry, every positive factor regarding Paterno's program comes with a great deal of srutiny.....his academic record has a big asterisk in my mind.

If he would cover up for Sandusky raping boys, I'm sure he would cover up for extra benefits and grade inflation for athletes. This is the part that just astounds me, he reported the crime to his superiors just as he was required to do, how does "reporting it" constitute a "cover up"? Does this even make any sense to you?

the emperor has no clothes

PapaJoesBucket wrote:

LuvDaLions wrote:

PapaJoesBucket wrote:

LuvDaLions wrote: Care to list all these "prestigious benefits" that PSU received because of the cover up???

PapaJoesBucket wrote: cry all you want - Joe Paterno and his cronies covered up a long term child abuse scandal at your favorite football teams headquarters and reaped all kinds of prestigious benefits while doing so

and

your team is gonna stink for a long time

joe pat and his buddies recvd all kinds of benefits during the cover up period - sandoosky got 11-14 more years fo freedom to prowl - celebrity status has its benefits, most of which are not taxed

joepa got paid millions - spanier ( the so called family education expert) got paid millions

the university benefited immensely from the tv contracts, the publicity, and sales of apparel and other related memorabilia - and they sure got a hell of a lot of donations from people wanting seats and or suites - among other things

all said - the 'haul' could have added up to half a billion to a billion during the 14 years of willful blindness

It's thinking like this that makes you look really dumb. Do you really think for one second that if PSU had immediately reported a crime by an ex-employee that TV networks would stop showing games, people would stop buying apparel, people would stop donating money to the university, people would stop going to football games, etc.

ex employee that a few select powerful people knew was a creep WHO WAS STILL ALLOWED TO USE THE FACILITIES AND WHO STILL IN SOME WAYS PROMOTED THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM ? ? ? ?- yes, at any time long ago if this had been disclosed it would have had far less of an impact but an impact and that incudles financially and on the field - there would have been much to think about when choosing Penn State to play for - AND most parents would have thunk at least twice about sending their kid into the lions den had they known

Also 1998 would of come up. the PSU police would of had to show that they misfiled the report to keep it quite and it would of not been good for PSU. Better then now but not good. If the people at PSU thought they could keep it in house then they could keep their image.
If PSU had done the right thing in the first place it would have been a blip on the news for a week or so and that would have been it. Crimes happen, and if PSU would have reported it there would have been no backlash against the university what so ever. - dream on



You can't possibly be dumb enough to believe what you wrote can you?


hahahaha - you're the one still defending that ole coot JoePa and the 'unfair' fan punishment





"Nittany Lion on Yer Back in The Shower U"

LuvDaLions wrote:

CTBuckeyeFan wrote:

LuvDaLions wrote:

CTBuckeyeFan wrote: From your own article:

Erickson said if Penn State did not agree to the sanctions, a formal investigation would have begun and the university could have faced a multiyear death penalty, as well as "other sanctions," including a financial penalty far greater than $60 million.

Almost immediately after that conversation, intensive discussions between Penn State and the NCAA began in earnest, Erickson said. Penn State lobbied for the NCAA to take the death penalty off the table, and the NCAA described a series of other sanctions, both "punitive and corrective" in nature.


Thats not extortion bro, its a plea deal.

extortion [ɪkˈstɔːʃən]

n

the act of securing money, favours, etc. by intimidation or violence; blackmail

extortioner , extortionist n

If you don't think that using intimidation by means of threatening the use of death penalty is extortion, then I can' help you bro. The use of intimidation or threats is what makes it extortion. Plea deals don't involve intimidation.

Show me where the NCAA said they WOULD get it if they declined the deal. They said they COULD get it pending an extensive investigation.  If you think that is extortion, then so is every plea deal that is struck in the US judicial system.  PSU wasn't guaranteed the Death Penalty if they rejceted the NCAA's offer, they were guaranteed an investigation.  Thats right from Erickson's statement.

It was right there in my original post regarding the article: In a separate interview, NCAA president Mark Emmert confirmed that a core group of NCAA school presidents had agreed early last week that an appropriate punishment was no Penn State football for four years.

Speaking by phone from Bend late Monday, Ray said the NCAA's Executive Committee discussed pulling the plug on the Penn State football program after it received NCAA President Mark Emmert's initial proposed sanctions.

He said the death penalty was quickly taken off the table.

"For a lot of people it's just too blunt of an instrument," Ray said. "No current players, staff or people connected with the football program" were part of the Sandusky cover-up.

LuvDaLions wrote: You completely miss the point. The point is that the NCAA coerced PSU into signing the consent decree saying that if they didn't sign it then, they would receive the death penalty. The legal term for this is "extortion", a criminal offense. The NCAA didn't follow their own procedures, in fact they went completely against every procedure that was in place to assure due process. That is why he is he filed a suit against the NCAA. You should read the filing, I think you would agree that you wouldn't want the NCAA to handle an investigation at OSU the way they did against PSU.

mitchdfla wrote: So, the Governor is upset because PSU voluntarily agreed to the terms of the punishment? Poor fella...

RJSimmons wrote: If you have all of the FACTS, by all means do share them. If you are offering your own interpretations of the same partial information like everyone else, go ahead and keep your misinformation to yourself.

irondoc wrote: I posted an interpretation of the facts of this case by a high end law professor but people are still playing message board nonsense games . Check out what that law professor says about it.
And what the delusional lion fans and the other side doesn't seem to grasp that none of that matters here in this case. What matters if the NCAA acted properly.

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--- RJSimmons wrote:

If you have all of the FACTS, by all means do share them. If you are offering your own interpretations of the same partial information like everyone else, go ahead and keep your misinformation to yourself.

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--- chris52574 wrote:

SO much misinformation on this board, and unfortunatley, in the public.

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indynittany wrote: Too bad you don't practice what you preach.

RJSimmons wrote: If you have all of the FACTS, by all means do share them. If you are offering your own interpretations of the same partial information like everyone else, go ahead and keep your misinformation to yourself.

irondoc wrote: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Allen_Epstein

ricochet.com/main-feed/Reining...e-NCAA#comments

Here's Richard Epstein and what he has to say. It's an understatement to say he has slightly greater legal credentials than us message board folk .