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Posted: 12/31/2012 4:55 AM
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brutus24 wrote: Mack Brown of Texas is my choice. He won because of his QB and for no other reason. With the talent in Texas there is no reason he is not challanging every year. He may be able to recruit, but he can not coach up that talent or mold that talent into a complete team. Another overrated coach, but a nice guy is Bill Snyder of KSU. He has won because of a QB too and he won before because he never played anyone. These two guys are probably some of the nicest people in college football, but they are not good coaches in my humble opinion. Bill Snyder who took a dead program to respectability, retired and did it again after the program died again? This in a state with no talent and being forced to fake in a lot of Jucos....is overrated. wow....  |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:23 AM
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brutus24 wrote: Mack Brown of Texas is my choice. He won because of his QB and for no other reason. With the talent in Texas there is no reason he is not challanging every year. He may be able to recruit, but he can not coach up that talent or mold that talent into a complete team. Another overrated coach, but a nice guy is Bill Snyder of KSU. He has won because of a QB too and he won before because he never played anyone. These two guys are probably some of the nicest people in college football, but they are not good coaches in my humble opinion. Bill Snyder who took a dead program to respectability, retired and did it again after the program died again?
This in a state with no talent and being forced to fake in a lot of Jucos....is overrated.
wow.... Yeah Bill Snyder is one of the most fantastic coaches in NCAA history. Kansas State was absolutely one of the all-time worst programs when he took over. Kansas has ZERO in state talent and he's somehow kept that program a float and almost got to a National Title game |
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:09 AM
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Arthur brown 5 star. Bryce brown 5 star. Braden smith 5 star OT. Yeah kansas has zero talent. That is just off the top of my head.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:54 AM
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1) Beamer
2) Bob Stoops
3) Lane Kiffin
4) Bret Beliema
5) Dana Holgerson
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:54 AM
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OhiozFinezt wrote: Frank Beamer This was the first name that came to my mind.... Since joining the ACC in 2003 VTech has four 11 win seasons and four 10 win seasons. This is a rural, second tier program that had zero ten win seasons before Beamer was hired. Amazing that of all places an OSU board would say that Beamer is overrated when his record "speaks for itself". Going past win totals and criticizing coaching based on quality of wins, big game performances and difficulty of schedule are clearly not allowed on Hineygate, so why start now. 
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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:59 AM
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OhiozFinezt wrote:
Zorik19 wrote:
brutus24 wrote: Mack Brown of Texas is my choice. He won because of his QB and for no other reason. With the talent in Texas there is no reason he is not challanging every year. He may be able to recruit, but he can not coach up that talent or mold that talent into a complete team. Another overrated coach, but a nice guy is Bill Snyder of KSU. He has won because of a QB too and he won before because he never played anyone. These two guys are probably some of the nicest people in college football, but they are not good coaches in my humble opinion. Bill Snyder who took a dead program to respectability, retired and did it again after the program died again?
This in a state with no talent and being forced to fake in a lot of Jucos....is overrated.
wow.... Yeah Bill Snyder is one of the most fantastic coaches in NCAA history. Kansas State was absolutely one of the all-time worst programs when he took over. Kansas has ZERO in state talent and he's somehow kept that program a float and almost got to a National Title game Indeed! Snyder is fantastic... and he also did very well at ASU when ASU was not considered a great place to be. Also, those hating on Frank Beamer at Vatech... to call him overrated shows a complete lack of understanding of coaching and college football. VaTech is NO ONE's first choice to play CFB. Yet, Beamer has put a ton of high quality defensive players and some offensive players into the pros at a high level of success. His teams are consistently tough on Defense and Special teams. In just aobut any bowl game he plays, the other sideline has a lot more talent top to bottom, yet he has won a ton of games. yes, he has had a couple down years, but he is in no way, shape, or form "overrated." He could have bailed on VaTech and gone to the NFL or a bigger program and has stayed there and done his best and his record shows what he has done. Sometimes, short term memory and personal stupidity get too much work on these threads. "Wherever man burns books, he will, in the end, also burn people." Heinrich Heine 1820
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:05 PM
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Anyone that puts Bill Snyder in this thread should be lobotomized.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:23 PM
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6burgh wrote:
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OhiozFinezt wrote: Frank Beamer This was the first name that came to my mind....
Since joining the ACC in 2003 VTech has four 11 win seasons and four 10 win seasons. This is a rural, second tier program that had zero ten win seasons before Beamer was hired.
Amazing that of all places an OSU board would say that Beamer is overrated when his record "speaks for itself".
Going past win totals and criticizing coaching based on quality of wins, big game performances and difficulty of schedule are clearly not allowed on Hineygate, so why start now.
Let me go ahead and debunk this one right now. 1. The ACC stinks. Look at their' BCS record as a collective conference...it's 2-13. It's not hard to get to 10 win seasons with cupcakes early and a bad conference 2. When you're a preseason Top 5 constantly and fail to deliver by losing to bad teams throughout your season then you'll tend to receive the overrated tag 3. Virginia Tech is 1-27 against Top 5 teams. 1-19 under Frank Beamer(this record might be worst depending on the Top 5's they played this year) 4. Virginia Tech has a 8-46 record against Top 10 Teams 5. Frank Beamer has a 1-5 BCS record with a sole win against Cincinnati(kind of like Oklahoma getting a layup BCS victory against a UCONN team that had no business being there) 6. Virginia is a hot bed for High School Football talent and UVA doesn't cause any concern in recruiting so that's lack of coaching if you can't win big games with elite talent Add all of those up and you have undoubtedly one of the most overrated Coaches and Programs around
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Posted: 12/31/2012 12:31 PM
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To me this ? isn't close: KIFFIN.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:03 PM
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Ask Mack Brown 6burgh wrote:
BuckinYouDown wrote: 1. Bob Stoops
2.Lane Kiffin
3.Les Miles--IMO he has the one of the best staffs in football How exactly does attracting, hiring & retaining a great staff and letting them do their jobs detract from a head coach's resume?
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:07 PM
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In 21 years at KSU Bill Snyder has won double digits games 9 times and has a winning conference record 9 times and has 5 conference titles and 2 of those are outright titles. I never said he was a bad coach and in fact he is a good coach, but I do think that his accomplishments are somewhat overrated. Ferentz from Iowa does not get much better talent than Snyder gets and yet people say that Ferentz is overrated. For those that say Ferentz is overrated, you would have to say that Snyder is overrated. Ferentz has had to face stiffer competition in his conference than has Snyder, at least in the past. I think you have to talk about not coaching ability, but coaching accomplishments when you talk about someone being overrated.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:09 PM
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OhiozFinezt wrote: Let me go ahead and debunk this one right now.
1. The ACC stinks. Look at their' BCS record as a collective conference...it's 2-13. It's not hard to get to 10 win seasons with cupcakes early and a bad conference
Florida State and Miami are traditional powerhouse programs like OSU. Beamer put together his consistent top record at a lesser program. The last decade OSU a 1st tier, traditional powerhouse also padded its win total with 3 or 4 annual cupcakes and beat a not so great conference with a poor BCS record. The point was that fans can't evaluate one coach by this standard then refuse to allow criticism of OSU's ex coach by the same.
6. Virginia is a hot bed for High School Football talent and UVA doesn't cause any concern in recruiting so that's lack of coaching if you can't win big games with elite talent
All the ACC states are hotbeds. Virginia, North and South Carolina all have about 50 players in the NFL. GA and FL put in a lot more. Blacksburg is a good 260 Miles from DC area and 320 miles from Norfolk. This is where the talent is. Not in rural Virginia. Pittsburgh and Detroit are only 180 to 200 miles away from Columbus. Chicago is only 350.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:20 PM
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6burgh, Beamer is a good coach, but his accomplishments were in the Big Least. How many games would OSU have won in the Big Least and how many championships would they have won. How many conference championships has Beamer won in the ACC? I am asking because I do not know the answer and not trying to be a wise guy. Being overrated or underrated is just one person's opinion and should not be taken very seriously, even though we all like to opine to these topics. What I believe or you believe is just that. The only opinions that count are the people that hire these coaches. It is a good thing that we do not hire or fire coaches because they would definitely have short careers.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:22 PM
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i am really tired of hearing this, it simply isn't true. the guy who Built Va tech from nothing into something was Beamer predecessor Bill Dooley, in the 7 years prior to Dooley's arrival Va Tech went 33-42-2, under Dooley they went over .500 for the last 7 years he was there including 10-1-1 in his last year, which included a Peach Bowl win and a top 20 ranking in the AP poll that is what Beamer inherited, not some pathetic loser program but one that had won 33-13-1 in the previous 4 years in fact the team dropped back below .500 in Beamer's first 2 years and didn't get back to a 10 win season until he had been there for 9 years yes now Beamer has them better than what he inherited but he inherited a top 20 program that ranked in the top 12 in winning pct the last 4 years before Beamer was hired Ohio St was 37-12 in those 4 years (83-86), Dooley was 33-12-1, so very close brutus79 wrote: Beamer built Va Tech from nothing to something, but they have regressed.
They were awful against Rutgers, and Beamer was reduced to crying at the ref's the whole game.
His bad red zone calls and a dumb fake punt cost Va Tech a Sugar Bowl win last year.
You wonder when the Va Tech faithful start a quiet search for the next coach, maybe even Bud Foster, with an innovative OC.
Bob Stoops, he got a break with hapless UConn in the Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma will lose to TAMU and lose another bowl game.
Chip Kelly, bad in big games against sound and fast defenses. Caught a break with Wisconsin last year in the Rose Bowl.
Mack Brown. Talent galore, Texas is going backwards fast.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 1:52 PM
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Basically, if you ask the mouth breathers on here, the only coaches who aren't overrated are Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, b/c they both have won multiple NCs in the past 7 years. If your program can't whup Bama's tail consistently, you are a bad coach who chokes in big games.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:00 PM
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stxbuck, with your statement of multiple championships, would you consider Tressel overated? Tressel only won one national championship, but did accomplish quite a bit while he was there. I may be looking through scarlet colored glasses, but I would not say Tressel was overrated.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:02 PM
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brutus24 wrote: stxbuck, with your statement of multiple championships, would you consider Tressel overated? Tressel only won one national championship, but did accomplish quite a bit while he was there. I may be looking through scarlet colored glasses, but I would not say Tressel was overrated. Sarcasm my friend  . JT,Beamer,Bill Snyder,Chris Peterson-all outstanding HoF worthy coaches. There's a certain kind of reassuring white rock....and some people do well with that.....
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:05 PM
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Urban Meyer is a pretty overrated coach I think, although I know I may get thrown off this board for saying that. He lucked out at Florida because Tebow's whole family was UF alums and it would have been impossible for Meyer to not get him. Tebow was one of the few quarterbacks that perfectly fit Meyer's offense, and Meyer's 2 years at UF without Tebow were very mediocre. If Meyer hadn't gotten Tebow, then Meyer's seasons from 2006-09 probably would have been little to no different than Meyer's UF teams in 2005(8-4) and 2010(8-5). And, who cares what he did in 2 years at what was then an MWC school(Utah)- plenty of coaches can succeed for a short period of time in minor conferences. And in 2012, Meyer pulled off probably the very worst 12-0 season in college football history- OSU finished 14th in the Sagarin Ratings despite your 12-0 record, for in case you're not aware.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:23 PM
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6burgh wrote:
OhiozFinezt wrote: Let me go ahead and debunk this one right now.
1. The ACC stinks. Look at their' BCS record as a collective conference...it's 2-13. It's not hard to get to 10 win seasons with cupcakes early and a bad conference
Florida State and Miami are traditional powerhouse programs like OSU. Beamer put together his consistent top record at a lesser program. The last decade OSU a 1st tier, traditional powerhouse also padded its win total with 3 or 4 annual cupcakes and beat a not so great conference with a poor BCS record. The point was that fans can't evaluate one coach by this standard then refuse to allow criticism of OSU's ex coach by the same.
6. Virginia is a hot bed for High School Football talent and UVA doesn't cause any concern in recruiting so that's lack of coaching if you can't win big games with elite talent
All the ACC states are hotbeds. Virginia, North and South Carolina all have about 50 players in the NFL. GA and FL put in a lot more. Blacksburg is a good 260 Miles from DC area and 320 miles from Norfolk. This is where the talent is. Not in rural Virginia. Pittsburgh and Detroit are only 180 to 200 miles away from Columbus. Chicago is only 350.
If you're gonna try and compare Jim Tressel and Frank Beamer then that debate is already over. And as for the BCS record, The Big Ten plays against the best teams in the SEC and USC in the Pac-12 so those matchups are gonna be far harder than the ACC's annual matchups with the Big East and yet the Big Ten's BCS record is still better so lets not just try to go ahead and overlook those key things. As for your' part 2, isn't State College pretty rural? If i'm not mistaken they have quite a bit of talent in the NFL as well don't they?
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Posted: 12/31/2012 2:34 PM
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In all fairness to Beamer, although his conference scuedules have been easy, ACC teams usually tend to play the best OOC scuedules of any conference(at least in part to make up for the low SOS ACC teams will accumulate in conference play). However, Va Tech actually usually does play a weaker out of conference slate than most if not all other ACC teams, so Beamer's scuedule(whether in or out of conference) probably has never been that great. Beamer's main flaw is he's something like 1-27 vs top 5 opponents and isn't much better vs the top 10, which shows he may not do great against good competition. However, VA Tech football was just about nothing before Beamer arrived, which you have to keep in mind when judgin him.
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