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--- 34011 wrote:

ohio4president wrote:

34011 wrote:

OSUVB wrote:

34011 wrote: You let me know when tOSU get's close to what bama has done in a four year span, even a five year span..

2 NCs in 1954 & 1957.

2 NCs in 1957 & 1961.

2 NCs in 1968 & 1970.

Plus the 1968 team was voted "team of the decade." No Bama team in this current sequence is even remotely a contender for an honor like that. The 68 team was widely considered the best in CFB history up to that point. Again, none of these current Alabama teams are in that conversation.

That good enough for you?

So, the MEDIA voted the 68' team the team of the century, why the hell should I believe anything the media says, bama had back to back title teams in the 60's and went undeafted the next year but was not awarded the title due to intergration, I don't think tOSU has every won back to back titles like bama and when bamas beats ND it will be our third or fourth time to win back to back titles
   I would put the 09 & 11 teams up against any title team's to ever play and I think we would do just fine and win alot more than we would lose, easily, yes, even the cornhuskers of the 90's, we would play them just fine.. 
  I think you guys forget just how damn good that LSU team was last year, if LSU had beaten bama they would have went down as the greatest team in college football history, IMO...
  tOSU has some great runs but I doubt they are as epic as bama's if we beat ND... Just think if bama wins the title they will have beaten a undeafted texas,LSU,and ND to win all three titles, I would call that quite a feet in a four year span.. JMO

09 and 11 teams the greatest of all time?

dude you're kind of crazy.

I said, those teams could play with any title teams, I believe they could, never said they were the best of all time, I think the 09 & 11 bama title teams could hang with anyother title team, why couldn't they, IMO... Never like the best or greatest of all time comments I think they are truly hard to rate. I think Title games are more about match ups then just who won the game...

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The 1970 championship is pretty bogus IMO. 1961 is iffy. Neither considered consensus national championship.

Depends on your idea of what a dynasty is. I would personally consider 3 consensus titles in 4 years a mini-dynasty. College football doesn't really lend itself to dynasties like other sports. Lots of roster turnover, large rosters.

Assuming they win this year, that will be back to back national championships and 3 national championships in the last 4 years. when is the last time s team did that? They are going to be right back in the mix next year, too.

Alamaba was much better than Texas a couple years ago and was clearly the best team last year. We'll see how the Championship game goes this year. I suspect they'll win again.

RodionRaskolnikov wrote: Assuming they win this year, that will be back to back national championships and 3 national championships in the last 4 years. when is the last time s team did that? They are going to be right back in the mix next year, too.

Alamaba was much better than Texas a couple years ago and was clearly the best team last year. We'll see how the Championship game goes this year. I suspect they'll win again.

How does a team that is clearly better lose at home? It shouldn't have been clear because they shouldn't have even had a shot to play in the NCG.

cdub4 wrote:

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--- 34011 wrote:

ohio4president wrote:

34011 wrote:

OSUVB wrote:

34011 wrote: You let me know when tOSU get's close to what bama has done in a four year span, even a five year span..

2 NCs in 1954 & 1957.

2 NCs in 1957 & 1961.

2 NCs in 1968 & 1970.

Plus the 1968 team was voted "team of the decade." No Bama team in this current sequence is even remotely a contender for an honor like that. The 68 team was widely considered the best in CFB history up to that point. Again, none of these current Alabama teams are in that conversation.

That good enough for you?

So, the MEDIA voted the 68' team the team of the century, why the hell should I believe anything the media says, bama had back to back title teams in the 60's and went undeafted the next year but was not awarded the title due to intergration, I don't think tOSU has every won back to back titles like bama and when bamas beats ND it will be our third or fourth time to win back to back titles
   I would put the 09 & 11 teams up against any title team's to ever play and I think we would do just fine and win alot more than we would lose, easily, yes, even the cornhuskers of the 90's, we would play them just fine.. 
  I think you guys forget just how damn good that LSU team was last year, if LSU had beaten bama they would have went down as the greatest team in college football history, IMO...
  tOSU has some great runs but I doubt they are as epic as bama's if we beat ND... Just think if bama wins the title they will have beaten a undeafted texas,LSU,and ND to win all three titles, I would call that quite a feet in a four year span.. JMO

09 and 11 teams the greatest of all time?

dude you're kind of crazy.

I said, those teams could play with any title teams, I believe they could, never said they were the best of all time, I think the 09 & 11 bama title teams could hang with anyother title team, why couldn't they, IMO... Never like the best or greatest of all time comments I think they are truly hard to rate. I think Title games are more about match ups then just who won the game...

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The 1970 championship is pretty bogus IMO. 1961 is iffy. Neither considered consensus national championship.

Depends on your idea of what a dynasty is. I would personally consider 3 consensus titles in 4 years a mini-dynasty. College football doesn't really lend itself to dynasties like other sports. Lots of roster turnover, large rosters.

Well, if the AP, UPi, or whoever back in the day were giving out titles that is fine for them to count them if you ask me. They are all a bunch no good sports writers, with flaws, so if was from decent wire service at time why not count it, we had nothing like we have today....

34011 wrote:

OSUVB wrote:

34011 wrote: You let me know when tOSU get's close to what bama has done in a four year span, even a five year span..

2 NCs in 1954 & 1957.

2 NCs in 1957 & 1961.

2 NCs in 1968 & 1970.

Plus the 1968 team was voted "team of the decade." No Bama team in this current sequence is even remotely a contender for an honor like that. The 68 team was widely considered the best in CFB history up to that point. Again, none of these current Alabama teams are in that conversation.

That good enough for you?

So, the MEDIA voted the 68' team the team of the century, why the hell should I believe anything the media says, bama had back to back title teams in the 60's and went undeafted the next year but was not awarded the title due to intergration or segeration or whatever, I don't think tOSU has every won back to back titles like bama and when bama beats ND it will be our third or fourth time to win back to back titles
   I would put the 09 & 11 teams up against any title team's to ever play and I think we would do just fine and win alot more than we would lose, easily, yes, even the cornhuskers of the 90's, we would play them just fine.. 
  I think you guys forget just how damn good that LSU team was last year, if LSU had beaten bama they would have went down as the greatest team in college football history, IMO...
  tOSU has some great runs but I doubt they are as epic as bama's if we beat ND... Just think if bama wins the title they will have beaten a undeafted texas,LSU,and ND to win all three titles, I would call that quite a feat in a four year span.. JMO

"The media" votes for NCs, and you seem willing to accept that. OSU 68 beat 3 teams that were, in order: #1 Purdue 13-0, #4 Michigan 50-14, & defending NC/former #1 USC 27-16 (in the Rose Bowl, no less), plus final #14 SMU 35-14. With a team dominated by sophomores. You may not agree they were "The Team of the Decade," but you're in the minority.

LSU 2011 was not as great as you (and others) think they were. I could tell that early in the season last year. People tend to overestimate teams almost every year.

Miami 2001 was a truly great team. Nebraska 95 was another. In recent years, that's about it as far as all-time teams go. There've been some other outstanding teams here & there, but none at that level.

And how can you say that when other conference champions didn't have the opportunity to face off against them?
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RodionRaskolnikov wrote: Assuming they win this year, that will be back to back national championships and 3 national championships in the last 4 years. when is the last time s team did that? They are going to be right back in the mix next year, too.

Alamaba was much better than Texas a couple years ago and was clearly the best team last year. We'll see how the Championship game goes this year. I suspect they'll win again.

How does a team that is clearly better lose at home? It shouldn't have been clear because they shouldn't have even had a shot to play in the NCG.

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cdub4 wrote: The 1970 championship is pretty bogus IMO. 1961 is iffy. Neither considered consensus national championship.

Both are recognized by the NCAA, which is why Ohio State recognizes them. Both were awarded by organizations whose titles the NCAA accepts.

Most NCs in decades past were not "consensus." That's just not a qualification for an NC. It was up to each organization. Bowls were not an issue in many of those NCs either.

The simple fact of the matter is there is a difference between the CFB NC winner and the "best" team. Many NC winners were not the best team. In the case of a split NC, it's not possible to know who was the better team- but both, or all, NCs are perfectly valid.

cwerph wrote:

RodionRaskolnikov wrote: Assuming they win this year, that will be back to back national championships and 3 national championships in the last 4 years. when is the last time s team did that? They are going to be right back in the mix next year, too.

Alamaba was much better than Texas a couple years ago and was clearly the best team last year. We'll see how the Championship game goes this year. I suspect they'll win again.

How does a team that is clearly better lose at home? It shouldn't have been clear because they shouldn't have even had a shot to play in the NCG.

NFL-watch it. 1 game does not define a season. The game is the same, even if the playoffs/bowls are vastly different.

DaveyBoy wrote:
The incredible breaks and downright favorable treatment the SEC teams have gotten the past 6 seasons is incredible.....

2007 - Ginn goes down on kickoff  LOL. UF dominated
2008 - legitimate victory So nice of you to state the obvious
2009 - UF gets to face the OU team that was soundly beaten by Texas instead of Texas or TTU LOL. It was also the OU team that was averaging close top 60 points a game, and beat TT by about a hundred
2010 - Bama beats a UT team that played without McCoy for 3 quarters Bama dominated, injuries happen
2011 - Auburn is allowed to ride the $250,000 man to victory
2012 - Bama gets a rematch vs a team that beat them in Tuscaloosa Bama and LSU were the two best teams, they should have been in the title game
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Interesting to think about how great this dynasty really is. Thier first recent NC game was played vs Texas without colt McCoy. Texas's offense was almost entirely dependent on one player and even without him they still made it a competitive game. Had McCoy stayed in the whole time there were many passes his backup missed that McCoy would have connected on and I don't think alabamans lackluster offense would have been able to hang. That would have been like cam newton going down and auburn playing vs Oregon without him and being expected to still win.

Fast forward to last year. Alabama not only didn't win thier conference but they didnt even play in the conference championship yet they still got a spot in the NC because the media spun the hearts of the voters putting them in over teams that DID win thier conferences or had 1 loss seasons such as Stanford and Oklahoma st. It was the media that gave them this crystal ball not the team itself or anyone else. People talk this year about how Ohio state should be punished for not playing in the B1G championship bcuz it's another game we could have lost, yet it's perfectly okay for bama to go unpenalized for not playing in a conference game either.

Now we come to this year. Obviously with notre dame being undefeated they deserve a slot in the NC. But now we face what if's for the second slot knowing that we can't play vs the Irish for all the marbles bcuz the NCAA suspended us for the post season over $1000 of tattoos. It was the NCAA that put Alabama in this game with a chance to make 3 titles out of 4 years now bcuz they backed thier way into 2 by the media/NCAA giving them a slot.

Oh how I long for a playoff, this is about as political as high school sports on who's son gets to start and whose doesn't.. This is **** you don't see in the nfl. The super bowl is won by teams PLAYING thier way into it and then finishing as the champions.

This so call Alabama "dynasty" needs a major * next to it. It is no better than wisconsins 2012 B1G championship. Or there self proclaimed titles of the past.

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Why are so many sec fans perusing an osu message board when we don't even play a bowl game

We must be on their minds....

Ohiost28 wrote: And how can you say that when other conference champions didn't have the opportunity to face off against them?
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RodionRaskolnikov wrote: ...Alamaba was much better than Texas a couple years ago and was clearly the best team last year...

True- if you say "everyone knows" Alabama was the best team last year, that's like saying "everyone knows" a B12 team, like, say, Texas A&M, could never beat Alabama- in Tuscaloosa, no less.

Bama didn't win the NC last year.

I distrust the media/ESecPN/voters so much, I began giving out my own rankings and NC.

LSU was the NC last year.

In my world, if you don't win your conference, you can't be a national champion.

The minority of WHAT, Ohio State fans?

In the meantime, while you are stroking your 1968 Johnson and no one cares, Bama is about to be anointed the greatest football program in CFB history.

http://espn.go.com/college-foo...ollege-football

OSUVB wrote:

You may not agree they were "The Team of the Decade," but you're in the minority.

I dislkike Bama just as much as the next guy but its silly to say that they had anything given to them. That's not fair. That would be like saying Miami gave OSU their 2002 MNC.  I think the more important question is who is going to stop their dynasty,

DeepSthBoy wrote: The minority of WHAT, Ohio State fans?

In the meantime, while you are stroking your 1968 Johnson and no one cares,

The obvious minority of the media & CFB fans at the time.

I brought up the 68 team because another Alabama fan raised the issue of past OSU titles.

Only you could get angry in a thread where I actually defend Alabama's current run

OSUVB wrote:

DeepSthBoy wrote: The minority of WHAT, Ohio State fans?

In the meantime, while you are stroking your 1968 Johnson and no one cares,

The obvious minority of the media & CFB fans at the time.

I brought up the 68 team because another Alabama fan raised the issue of past OSU titles.

Only you could get angry in a thread where I actually defend Alabama's current run

There are quite a number of people that would consider the 1961 (or 1966) Alabama teams the "team of the decade". And certainly the PROGRAM of that decade was undeniably Alabama.

DeepSthBoy wrote: There are quite a number of people that would consider the 1961 (or 1966) Alabama teams the "team of the decade".

The voters clearly didn't.

OSUVB wrote:

34011 wrote: You let me know when tOSU get's close to what bama has done in a four year span, even a five year span..

2 NCs in 1954 & 1957.

2 NCs in 1957 & 1961.

2 NCs in 1968 & 1970.

Plus the 1968 team was voted "team of the decade." No Bama team in this current sequence is even remotely a contender for an honor like that. The 68 team was widely considered the best in CFB history up to that point. Again, none of these current Alabama teams are in that conversation.

That good enough for you?

I notice that of those five years, only 1954 and 1968 did OSU have the most national title designations. In 1961, for example, four organizations put OSU No. 1. 37 put Bama No. 1.
In 1970, 25 named Nebraska, nine named Texas, nine named Notre Dame. OSU and Arizona St. each had one group call them the champion.
Just sayin' 

rivergator wrote:

OSUVB wrote:

34011 wrote: You let me know when tOSU get's close to what bama has done in a four year span, even a five year span..

2 NCs in 1954 & 1957.

2 NCs in 1957 & 1961.

2 NCs in 1968 & 1970.

Plus the 1968 team was voted "team of the decade." No Bama team in this current sequence is even remotely a contender for an honor like that. The 68 team was widely considered the best in CFB history up to that point. Again, none of these current Alabama teams are in that conversation.

That good enough for you?

I notice that of those five years, only 1954 and 1968 did OSU have the most national title designations. In 1961, for example, four organizations put OSU No. 1. 37 put Bama No. 1.
In 1970, 25 named Nebraska, nine named Texas, nine named Notre Dame. OSU and Arizona St. each had one group call them the champion.
Just sayin' 

"Say" all you want- those are the titles recognized by the NCAA - from AP, UPI, the National Football Federation & the Grantland Rice sportswriters' award.

Too bad OSU didn't win more from Joe's Car Wash, though

OSUVB wrote:

34011 wrote:

OSUVB wrote:

34011 wrote: You let me know when tOSU get's close to what bama has done in a four year span, even a five year span..

2 NCs in 1954 & 1957.

2 NCs in 1957 & 1961.

2 NCs in 1968 & 1970.

Plus the 1968 team was voted "team of the decade." No Bama team in this current sequence is even remotely a contender for an honor like that. The 68 team was widely considered the best in CFB history up to that point. Again, none of these current Alabama teams are in that conversation.

That good enough for you?

So, the MEDIA voted the 68' team the team of the century, why the hell should I believe anything the media says, bama had back to back title teams in the 60's and went undeafted the next year but was not awarded the title due to intergration or segeration or whatever, I don't think tOSU has every won back to back titles like bama and when bama beats ND it will be our third or fourth time to win back to back titles
   I would put the 09 & 11 teams up against any title team's to ever play and I think we would do just fine and win alot more than we would lose, easily, yes, even the cornhuskers of the 90's, we would play them just fine.. 
  I think you guys forget just how damn good that LSU team was last year, if LSU had beaten bama they would have went down as the greatest team in college football history, IMO...
  tOSU has some great runs but I doubt they are as epic as bama's if we beat ND... Just think if bama wins the title they will have beaten a undeafted texas,LSU,and ND to win all three titles, I would call that quite a feat in a four year span.. JMO

"The media" votes for NCs, and you seem willing to accept that. OSU 68 beat 3 teams that were, in order: #1 Purdue 13-0, #4 Michigan 50-14, & defending NC/former #1 USC 27-16 (in the Rose Bowl, no less), plus final #14 SMU 35-14. With a team dominated by sophomores. You may not agree they were "The Team of the Decade," but you're in the minority.

LSU 2011 was not as great as you (and others) think they were. I could tell that early in the season last year. People tend to overestimate teams almost every year.

Miami 2001 was a truly great team. Nebraska 95 was another. In recent years, that's about it as far as all-time teams go. There've been some other outstanding teams here & there, but none at that level.

The media has not had one vote involved with bama receiving or playing for the bcs title the three out of the last four years and that is a fact... AP titles yes, but I'm talking BCS titles and the media does not have vote for the BCS title...
   Really, LSU was overrated last year, a team which smoked the ducks and WVU who both won their confs titles and the ducks beat the big ten champ and WVU beat the ACC champ in bowl games. LSU could have lost the SEC title game and still played in the BCS title game last year, that is how dominate they were, insane season, greatest reg season maybe ever in college football..
    Yea, we think Miami and Nebraska of those years were great teams but they are not unbeatable, no team is and I am sure those teams would have a fight on their hands if they were to play many ex title teams from this and many other era's. JMO