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Posted: 12/28/2012 12:30 PM
Andy Staples from SI gets it! Michigan fans don't......
http://www.mlive.com/wolverine...riter_says.htmlSports Illustrated writer says Ohio State will dominate
the Big Ten in 2013, Michigan included
 Sports Illustrated's Andy
Staples believes Ohio State will dominate the Big Ten in 2013 -- and this time,
it'll count. AP Photo
Chalk one national writer up as someone who believes in the power of
Urban Meyer.
After going 12-0 during his first season as Ohio State's head coach in 2012,
Meyer has set himself up for another potentially successful year in 2013 -- only
this time it'll count. Sports Illustrated's Andy Staples
said in his 2013
college football predictions column that Meyer's Buckeyes will "dominate"
the Big Ten again next season, competing on a national level while other
programs in the league try to "build a nice little team that might make the Rose
Bowl." In case you forgot, Michigan football coach Brady Hoke routinely admits his
program's ultimate goal is the Big Ten title and the Rose Bowl. "No one else in the Big Ten has offered any proof that they can recruit at
the level required to compete against Meyer," Staples wrote. "Meyer is trying to
build a monster that can compete against Alabama. The defense will be young, but
the schedule is manageable. Another undefeated season is a distinct possibility.
So too is the possibility that the Buckeyes' schedule gets no respect for a
second consecutive year. "Ohio State needs Sonny Dykes to make a splash at Cal -- the Buckeyes' best
out-of-conference opponent -- and Wisconsin and Michigan to have otherwise-great
seasons." After penning the column, Staples was then pelted by angry Michigan fans on
Twitter. He had a response for that, too. "Angry Michigan fans throwing
recruiting rankings at me. You’re better than that. Win the league on the
field," he wrote. "Meyer has
proven he can recruit a national title team. None of the other Big Ten coaches
has. Not a complicated concept." The Buckeyes finished 12-0 this season, but were ineligible for a bowl due to
NCAA sanctions stemming from violations under former coach Jim Tressel. Meyer won his first meeting against Michigan on Nov. 24, beating Brady Hoke
and company 26-21. What say you? Will it be Urban Meyer domination in 2013? Or is too much being
made of this?
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Posted: 12/28/2012 12:43 PM
Re: Andy Staples from SI gets it! Michigan fans don't......
Like Tressel, Meyer will win the NC in his 2nd year at Ohio State.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 12:45 PM
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Michigan is every bit as loaded as OSU in terms of recruiting going forward. Just click on Scouts, 24/7 or any other recruiting service. Now whether or not Hoke and that Michigan staff can develop those players is another question.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 12:48 PM
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PSU1029 wrote: Michigan is every bit as loaded as OSU in terms of recruiting going forward. Just click on Scouts, 24/7 or any other recruiting service. Now whether or not Hoke and that Michigan staff can develop those players is another question. OSU recruited "need" better. OSU also has better talent returning. _____________________________________________
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:01 PM
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PSU1029 wrote: Michigan is every bit as loaded as OSU in terms of recruiting going forward. Just click on Scouts, 24/7 or any other recruiting service. Now whether or not Hoke and that Michigan staff can develop those players is another question. well, that's sort of the point, isn't it? just because the recruiting analysts say their recruiting classes are talented, it remains to be seen whether those recruits can translate to success on the field. old hoke has never even won a conference championship at any of his previous stops. so maybe he is just in the habit of building perennial also rans. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:09 PM
Re: Andy Staples from SI gets it! Michigan fans don't......
By the numbers, Michigan has a better recruiting class to this point than OSU. They also had a better recruiting class in 2012 than OSU by the numbers. One or two more top notch recruiting classes and Michigan should be the equal to OSU going forward. If I were you I would be hoping that Michigan is as good as possible because you're going to need some team in the B10 other than yours playing at an elite level. UGABuck wrote:
PSU1029 wrote: Michigan is every bit as loaded as OSU in terms of recruiting going forward. Just click on Scouts, 24/7 or any other recruiting service. Now whether or not Hoke and that Michigan staff can develop those players is another question.
OSU recruited "need" better. OSU also has better talent returning. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:14 PM
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The bulk of 2013 teams will be comprised of players from the 2010 to 2012 recruiting classes.
Let's look at how Ohio State's classes ranked versus Michigan (advantage in bold, data taken from RIVALS.com team rankings from the years noted):
Notables from 2009 classes still playing:
Michigan (ranked #8 at the time): Fitz Toussaint(?), Mike Schofield, Quinton Washington
Ohio State (ranked #3 at the time): CJ Barnett, Jordan Hall, Carlos Hyde, Jack Mewhort
2010:
Michigan: #20, 27 players in class, 3.19 ave stars per player
Ohio State: #25, 19 players in class, 3.32 ave stars per player
2011:
Michigan: #21, 20 players in class, 3.25 ave stars per player
Ohio State: #11, 23 players in class, 3.43 ave stars per player
2012:
Michigan: #7, 25 players in class, 3.56 ave stars per player
Ohio State: #4, 25 players in class, 3.72 ave stars per player
2013 (incomplete):
Michigan: #4, 24 players in class, 3.67 ave stars per player
Ohio State: #8, 19 players in class (so far), 3.58 ave stars per player
In conclusion, I would say that the 2013 Ohio State team does have an edge in terms of talent but not by as much as you might think. The 2011 classes had the greatest differential and I would guess that those classes will put the most players on the field in 2013. I think you have to also factor in that over the last 4 years, Ohio State has won three times in the match-up. In terms of coaching resume, Hoke can't hold Meyer's jock, but what is most telling is the perceived slide from year one to year two by Hoke's Wolverines. Maybe that's not quite fair, but as the Michigan schedule toughened, the team did not appear to rise to the occasion at any point in the season, taking losses in week 1, 4, 8, and 12. Ohio State's first season was ragged in many ways but the refuse to lose mentality and steady improvement across the season were enough to win every game. With any program that Meyer has taken over, the jump in performance in the second year has been significant. If that holds true again, there is no reason to not expect the Buckeyes to dominate.
For Michigan fans to point to the 2013 class recuiting rankings as they stand today and justify their belief that Ohio State won't dominate in 2013 is a bit fool-hardy. In a matter of weeks, Ohio State's 2013 class may surpass theirs and even if it doesn't. . .the difference between the two classes and the significance of those class' contributions to the 2013 season won't be enough to unseat Ohio State.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:25 PM
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Only one simple key for 2013 - having a healthy Braxton and Kenny all season long.
For everything else (the defense, who steps up at WR, do we have enough OL depth, etc.), I fully believe the coaches can get us enough from all the other parts to go undefeated.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:26 PM
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scUM's 13' class has ZERO offensive playmakers on the level of Jalin Marshall or Ezekiel Elliott, and tOSU's DB class blows theirs away-including scUM decommit Conley. scUM has a very highly touted OL class, and a QB who has gotten a lot of love from the star handerouters-that's it.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:27 PM
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Chidragon wrote: Only one simple key for 2013 - having a healthy Braxton and Kenny all season long.
For everything else (the defense, who steps up at WR, do we have enough OL depth, etc.), I fully believe the coaches can get us enough from all the other parts to go undefeated. You have to remember those are all questions that Michigan is asking themselves right now too. . .except they are also wondering how good is their QB really, where are they going to find a running back, can they replace their playmakers at WR. . .issues that Ohio State doesn't have. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 1:51 PM
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Using Scout numbers, no they don't. They have lower Avg Star ratings for 2013 and 2012. PSU1029 wrote: By the numbers, Michigan has a better recruiting class to this point than OSU. They also had a better recruiting class in 2012 than OSU by the numbers. One or two more top notch recruiting classes and Michigan should be the equal to OSU going forward. If I were you I would be hoping that Michigan is as good as possible because you're going to need some team in the B10 other than yours playing at an elite level.
UGABuck wrote:
PSU1029 wrote: Michigan is every bit as loaded as OSU in terms of recruiting going forward. Just click on Scouts, 24/7 or any other recruiting service. Now whether or not Hoke and that Michigan staff can develop those players is another question.
OSU recruited "need" better. OSU also has better talent returning. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:02 PM
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stxbuck wrote: scUM's 13' class has ZERO offensive playmakers on the level of Jalin Marshall or Ezekiel Elliott, and tOSU's DB class blows theirs away-including scUM decommit Conley. scUM has a very highly touted OL class, and a QB who has gotten a lot of love from the star handerouters-that's it. This. I don't care what the numbers look like, Ohio State is bringing in playmakers and Michigan is not. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:22 PM
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PSU1029 wrote: Michigan is every bit as loaded as OSU in terms of recruiting going forward. Just click on Scouts, 24/7 or any other recruiting service. Now whether or not Hoke and that Michigan staff can develop those players is another question. I doubt Hoke keeps pace with Meyer in recruiting over time (and I'm not sure he has to this point). Regardless, it's not only the players you have, it's how you develop & use them. Tressel was a master at that. Urban is too. Hoke may indeed get to the Rose Bowl - as the B1G runnerup, while Urban is playing for the NC.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:32 PM
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Only 2 words need to be said and those are "Urban" and "Meyer." He and Saban are 1a and 1b. Nobody else is in their' league at the moment. Brian Kelly is an up and comer though
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:09 PM
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please let me know: 1. When a hoke coached team wins a big time game vs a ranked team...either at home or on the road 2. I know what Meyer's track record is...not sure what exactly what hoke brings to the party other than food. PSU1029 wrote: Michigan is every bit as loaded as OSU in terms of recruiting going forward. Just click on Scouts, 24/7 or any other recruiting service. Now whether or not Hoke and that Michigan staff can develop those players is another question. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:11 PM
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michigan has nobody to score tds. They can get all the four star olineman they want, somebody has to cross the goalline.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:11 PM
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I'll put it this way... I'm glad Urban Meyer is our football coach
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:29 PM
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Personally, I am delighted that the ganders are so satisfied with the Fat Man and his staff. I hope they retain him for many years to come. And I love it when they get their little hopes up over star rankings of their thundering herd of O-linemen. This year, the sun was in their eyes, the field wasn't level, the refs cheated them, and the dog ate their damned homework when we beat them. What will there excuse when we embarrass them in The Out House in November? In the immortal words of Mikey Hart, I think of them as our little brother...  |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:48 PM
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PSU1029 wrote: By the numbers, Michigan has a better recruiting class to this point than OSU. They also had a better recruiting class in 2012 than OSU by the numbers. One or two more top notch recruiting classes and Michigan should be the equal to OSU going forward. If I were you I would be hoping that Michigan is as good as possible because you're going to need some team in the B10 other than yours playing at an elite level.
UGABuck wrote:
PSU1029 wrote: Michigan is every bit as loaded as OSU in terms of recruiting going forward. Just click on Scouts, 24/7 or any other recruiting service. Now whether or not Hoke and that Michigan staff can develop those players is another question.
OSU recruited "need" better. OSU also has better talent returning. This will be the second straight year our average star ranking is going to be higher than tsun's. Again, the point of the article isn't just about recruiting. No other team in the B10 can point to A. a coach capable of competing at the highest level combined with B. great recruiting. Arguing that a proposition is true because belief in it has good consequences, or that it is false because belief in it has bad consequences is often an irrelevancy. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:49 PM
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Something seldom mention is - what happens if Hoke goes to the Pro Style as he said he is going to, but that flops? Denard won a lot of games for him, and Gardner was pretty good this year. Those two guys single handedly won a lot of games. If Hoke would have implemented his Pro Style system they would have been pretty bad IMO. What happens if they go Pro Style going forward and flop? It is not like they have a stable of dominant RBs or stud WRs like they used to under Carr. If Pro Style flops, they can't go back and Hoke is gone.
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